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    As for coffeee, I'd like to know where your information on kidney and liver problems from alcohol comes from.
    Well I get all my info from the web, usually from .gov or .edu sites for insurance.
    http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Alc...p=mss&ei=UTF-8

    That's for Alcohol. Drinking too much Coffee in general is bad, messes up sleep cycles, BP, HR and gives you Kidney stones. That's about it.

    My info on Creatine comes from the web when I was lifting on a daily basis and compared supplements to see what gives me the best results, Protien, Creatine etc... I ran across these sites on Creatine and I don't have the same perception as most people I meet who see Creatine being Steriod Jr. I see it as effective if used right and won't hinder organs. These are the sites I used for researching Creatine:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creatine
    http://www.bla.net/opul/crfaq.htm
    http://www.sportsci.org/traintech/creatine/rbk.html
    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/d...-creatine.html
    http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=...fp-t-501&x=wrt

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    I, like some of you guys, have an extremely hard time gaining weight. Since Decemeber I've gained about 10-12lbs though. I'm using a high calorie diet with 4-5 meals per day, creatine (1 month on, 1 month off), 1-2 protein shakes per day(I usually mix a banana in one of them and I count this as a meal), a multivitamin, and a lot of lifting. Over the years, I've experienced better results with this kind of supplementation.

    Cost Plus Nutrition in San Antonio has some pretty impressive prices. They blow GNC out of the water in terms of affordability.

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    do you guys eat b4 or after a workout? any recommendation?

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    listen people! ...stop wasting your money on supplements. everyone wants a shortcut, everyone thinks there is some magic formula out there that will make you big and fast...well there isn't. at least not anything legal.

    just work hard and enjoy life. believe in yourself, all other things will fall into place. btw, if you really want to be a hardcore athlete Alvarez, you just need to work really hard. i use to think, when i was in high school, that i was working hard...meh, not really. i can give you some workouts that would rape you...
    Well that's basically what I've been doin, I don't used any supplements, I just eat a lot and work hard.

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    IF U WAnna gain wait eat right before you go to bed.


    in about 6 months, ive gained about 20 pounds. 6'1 175ish... skinny still? i can still pack on some more...
    Yeah that's what I do.



    20 pounds in 6 months is a lot. It took me 2 years to gain that.

    Still, 6'1" and 175 is still more on the skinny side.

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    I just don't understand why I'm so light. I have good muscle mass but my bones are real skinny, which sucks. Naturally, I'm a small person, if I didn't lift any weights I'd be skinny as . Most people who try to guess my weight guess 20 pounds more than what I weigh.

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    I just don't understand why I'm so light. I have good muscle mass but my bones are real skinny, which sucks. Naturally, I'm a small person, if I didn't lift any weights I'd be skinny as . Most people who try to guess my weight guess 20 pounds more than what I weigh.
    some people are just puny, don't worry about it.

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    Well I get all my info from the web, usually from .gov or .edu sites for insurance.
    http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Alc...p=mss&ei=UTF-8

    That's for Alcohol. Drinking too much Coffee in general is bad, messes up sleep cycles, BP, HR and gives you Kidney stones. That's about it.

    My info on Creatine comes from the web when I was lifting on a daily basis and compared supplements to see what gives me the best results, Protien, Creatine etc... I ran across these sites on Creatine and I don't have the same perception as most people I meet who see Creatine being Steriod Jr. I see it as effective if used right and won't hinder organs. These are the sites I used for researching Creatine:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creatine
    http://www.bla.net/opul/crfaq.htm
    http://www.sportsci.org/traintech/creatine/rbk.html
    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/d...-creatine.html
    http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=...fp-t-501&x=wrt
    Well, no offense, but it seems that you are just selectively picking and choosing what you want to believe, regardless of the actual medical evidence. I just hope your health doesn't suffer for it.

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    6'1" and 175 is a BMI of 23, a healthy number, where 70% of grotesquely fat USA is 25+ (overweight) or 30+ (obese).

    Heavier means sicker, statistically inclined to many diseases and shortened life.

    http://www.halls.md/body-mass-index/av.htm
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    BMI is bull in referance to athletes and anyone with a muscular build. it doesn't take into account body fat% at all, and can even be wrong with old and sickly people too. a BMI may be healthy for a 35 yr old person who is 5'7 - but that same person at age 70 would actually be unhealthy and overweight due to muscle loss with age.
    On the same token - muscles. Muscles weigh more than fat, alot more. You can pack alot more muscle weight into half as much space as a ton of fat weight. i've seen Big huge built up guys without a lick of bodyfat get put on weight loss diets by the Army and Navy because they had a BMI of 29 or 30 - considered overweight and/or obese depending on height.
    My husband is 5'4.5 and weighs 168 right now. Thats a BMI of about 29. "overweight".
    Really? Overweight? There is not an inch of spare flub to pinch anywhere on his body. His bodyfat is hovering around 10-12%.
    but acording to the BMI - he's overweight and unhealthy.

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    Well, no offense, but it seems that you are just selectively picking and choosing what you want to believe, regardless of the actual medical evidence. I just hope your health doesn't suffer for it.
    These are quotes from the experts:
    There is less concern today than there used to be about possible kidney damage from creatine, although there are reports of kidney damage, such as inters ial nephritis. Patients with kidney disease should avoid use of this supplement. Similarly, liver function may be altered, and caution is advised in those with underlying liver disease.
    Some concern has been raised regarding the effects of creatine supplementation on kidney function. The body seems to be able to dispose of the extra creatine without any problem (Poortmans et al., 1997). The extra creatine is eliminated mainly in the urine as creatine, with small amounts broken down and excreted as creatinine or urea. No study has shown that creatine supplementation results in clinically significant increases in liver damage or impaired liver function.
    Does creatine supplementation have undiscovered long-term side effects? Trials lasting more than a year have not been performed, but creatine has been used as a nutritional supplement for over 10 years. Although long-term side effects cannot discounted, no significant short-term side effects other than weight gain have been reported. In addition, I am not aware of any significant medical complications that have been linked to creatine supplementation. Furthermore, creatine and phosphocreatine have been used medically to reduce muscle wasting after surgery and to improve heart function and exercise capacity in people with ischemic heart disease (Pauletto & Strumia, 1996; Gordon et al., 1995).
    Creatine is also a natural substance occuring in all animals as well. You don't have to take Creatine, as you can get it from most meats, but in small amounts.

    And I don't really take Creatine, I did for a week, and I said didn't like the large amount of dosage, it made me feel bloated, but advice for people who think they're going to take it, don't believe all the hype that it's the next best alternative for drugs/steriods and it is bad. Do some research and ask an MD or certified Sports Trainer about it.

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    Who are these "experts"? I don't see any attribution for those quotes.

    I will say that whoever said "there is less concern today than there used to be about possible kidney damage from creatine" is talking out of his ass.

    Furthermore the claimed benefits in heart function in your last quote are not conclusive and no self-respecting cardiologist would use it for this purpose until better studies proving it's effectiveness have been performed.

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    It's easy to see why so many young people turn to steroids and HGH when reading Alvarez's posts. I think probably at least 80% of baseball and football players are using it. It's not fair, but how can you compete if you don't?

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    I just don't understand why I'm so light. I have good muscle mass but my bones are real skinny, which sucks. Naturally, I'm a small person, if I didn't lift any weights I'd be skinny as . Most people who try to guess my weight guess 20 pounds more than what I weigh.
    drink more beer, that'll do it easy.

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    "BMI is bull in referance to athletes and anyone with a muscular build."

    .... which means it's NOT bull for 98% of people.

    IIRC, Arnold is 6'1" and was 240 at his peak compe ive form, for a BMI of 31.7, ie, "obese". But Arnold and heavily muscled people 3+ std deviatons away from the mean are not the target for BMI application. So trashing BMI because it doesn't apply where it's not intended to apply is the real bull here.

    BMI is useful tool for nearly everybody, as is "ideal weight" as defined by various groups:

    http://www.halls.md/ideal-weight/body.htm

    In every situation I can recall where I was discussing BMI with a woman, she said BMI didn't apply to her (aka, my BMI says I'm fat/obese) because she was different, had big bones, etc, when really she was just plainly fat or obese and denying the tale told by her BMI.

    A good rule I read a couple weeks ago about what not to eat is that if it didn't exist 10,000 years ago, don't put it in your mouth.

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    "BMI is bull in referance to athletes and anyone with a muscular build."

    .... which means it's NOT bull for 98% of people.
    the main peopel lookin for advice in this thread are either muscular, athletic or are looking to become both/either.

    In every situation I can recall where I was discussing BMI with a woman, she said BMI didn't apply to her (aka, my BMI says I'm fat/obese) because she was different, had big bones, etc, when really she was just plainly fat or obese and denying the tale told by her BMI.
    I guess you are including this tid bit in your post because I am a woman?
    My BMI is 21. Thanks for your concern.

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    More people get liver problems from alcohol than heroin, too. That doesn't make heroin safe.
    Heroin is perfectly safe.

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    im muscular according to that BMI

    it also says i have a large penis compared to the posters on spurstalk

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    Who are these "experts"? I don't see any attribution for those quotes.

    I will say that whoever said "there is less concern today than there used to be about possible kidney damage from creatine" is talking out of his ass.

    Furthermore the claimed benefits in heart function in your last quote are not conclusive and no self-respecting cardiologist would use it for this purpose until better studies proving it's effectiveness have been performed.
    There are from the links I gave you in one of my posts back, they are all cited with sources, check them out if you want. There is tons of evidence that I can find over the net done by people in the field that puts the stereotypes and urban legends to rest about Creatine. The heart thing came from: Pauletto & Strumia, 1996; Gordon et al., 1995 and even on a .GOV site (meaning Goverment agency) it talks about the effects that Creatine give certain types of disorders etc. and one of them was about the heart.

    I mean our bodies make Creatine, so how can it be that bad for us? We eat Creatine when we eat meat, creatine related kindey or liver disorders are so small and unnoticable that no one pays any attention to it because it rarely happens; furthermore only morons/impatient people overdose on creatine, there is steps on how you should take it. Also, it sounds like you're leaning towards alcohol being healthier than Creatine and it's not.
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    There was an article in the Express News about BMI a few months back. According to BMI scale Tim Duncan is morbidly obese.

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    There are from the links I gave you in one of my posts back, they are all cited with sources, check them out if you want. There is tons of evidence that I can find over the net done by people in the field that puts the stereotypes and urban legends to rest about Creatine. The heart thing came from: Pauletto & Strumia, 1996; Gordon et al., 1995 and even on a .GOV site (meaning Goverment agency) it talks about the effects that Creatine give certain types of disorders etc. and one of them was about the heart.
    I did look through some of those sites. I couldn't find your quotes. If you're going to present an argument and expect to be taken seriously, it's YOUR responsibility to provide the precise references for your citations. It's not my job to hunt them down.

    Here's an abstract of a recent case study (October 2006) from clinicans at the Mayo Clinic:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum



    J Ren Nutr. 2006 Oct;16(4):341-5.Acute renal failure in a young weight lifter taking multiple food supplements, including creatine monohydrate.

    Thorsteinsdottir B,
    Grande JP,
    Garovic VD. Department of Internal Medicine, Mayo Clinic College of Medicine, Rochester, MN 55902, USA.

    We report a case of a healthy 24-year-old man who presented with acute renal failure and proteinuria while taking creatine and multiple other supplements for bodybuilding purposes. A renal biopsy showed acute inters ial nephritis. The patient recovered completely after he stopped taking the supplements. Creatine is a performance-enhancing substance that has gained widespread popularity among professional as well as amateur athletes. It is legal and considered relatively safe. Recently there have been case reports of renal dysfunction, including acute inters ial nephritis, associated with its use. Further studies are needed to evaluate the safety of creatine supplementation. It may be prudent to include a warning of this possible side effect in the product insert.

    PMID: 17046619 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


    And the most recent comprehensive review I could find on the subject.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum


    Pharmacol Res. 2000 Mar;41(3):255-64.
    Is there a rationale for the use of creatine either as nutritional supplementation or drug administration in humans participating in a sport?



    Benzi G.Department of Physiology and Pharmacology, Faculty of Science, University of Pavia, Pavia, Italy.

    Even though no unambiguous proof for enhanced performance during high-intensity exercise has yet been reported, the creatine administration is charged to improve physical performance and has become a popular practice among subjects participating in different sports. Appropriate creatine dosage may be also used as a medicinal product since, in accordance with the Council Directive 65/65/CEE, any substance which may be administered with a view to restoring, correcting or modifying physiological functions in human beings is considered a medicinal product. Thus, quality, efficacy and safety must characterize the substance. In biochemical terms, creatine administration enhances both creatine and phosphocreatine concentrations, allowing for an increased total creatine pool in skeletal muscle. In thermodynamics terms, creatine interferes with the creatine-creatine kinase-phosphocreatine circuit, which is related to the mitochondrial function as a highly organized system for the energy control of the subcellular adenylate pool. In pharmacokinetics terms, creatine entry into skeletal muscle is initially dependent on the extracellular concentration, but the creatine transport is subsequently down-regulated. In pharmacodynamics terms, the creatine enhances the possibility to maintain power output during brief periods of high-intensity exercises. In spite of uncontrolled daily dosage and long-term administration, no research on creatine safety in humans has been set up by specific standard protocol of clinical pharmacology and toxicology, as currently occurs in phase I for the products for human use. More or less do ented side effects induced by creatine are weight gain; influence on insulin production; feedback inhibition of endogenous creatine synthesis; long-term damages on renal function. A major point that related to the quality of creatine products is the amount of creatine ingested in relation to the amount of contaminants present. During the production of creatine from sarcosine and cyanamide, variable amounts of contaminants (dicyandiamide, dihydrotriazines, creatinine, ions) are generated and, thus, their tolerable concentrations (ppm) must be defined by specific toxicological researches. Creatine, as the nutritional factors, can be used either at supplementary or therapeutic levels as a function of the dose. Supplementary doses of nutritional factors usually are of the order of the daily turnover, while therapeutic ones are three or more times higher. In a subject with a body weight of 70 kg with a total creatine pool of 120 g, the daily turnover is approximately 2 g. Thus, in healthy subjects nourished with a fat-rich, carbohydrate-, protein-poor diet and participating in a daily recreational sport, the oral creatine supplementation should be on the order of the daily turnover, i.e. less than 2.5-3 g per day, bringing the gastrointestinal absorption to account. In healthy athletes submitted daily to high-intensity strength- or sprint-training, the maximal oral creatine supplementation should be on the order of two times the daily turnover, i.e. less than 5-6 g per day for less than 2 weeks, and the creatine supplementation should be taken under appropriate medical supervision. The oral administration of more than 6 g per day of creatine should be considered as a therapeutic intervention because the dosage is more than three times higher than the creatine daily turnover and more than six times higher than the creatine daily allowance. In this case, creatine administration should be prescribed by physicians only in the cases of suspected or proven deficiency, or in conditions of severe stress and/or injury. 2000 Academic Press@p$hr Copyright 2000 Academic Press.

    PMID: 10675277 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
    Bottom line, creatine and other supplements are unregulated products with an as-yet unknown reward-to risk ratio. Use them at your own peril.

    I mean our bodies make Creatine, so how can it be that bad for us? We eat Creatine when we eat meat, creatine related kindey or liver disorders are so small and unnoticable that no one pays any attention to it because it rarely happens; furthermore only morons/impatient people overdose on creatine, there is steps on how you should take it.
    Our bodies normally make all kinds on wastes due to normal metabolism which are toxins. The major function of the kidney is to get rid of those.


    Also, it sounds like you're leaning towards alcohol being healthier than Creatine and it's not.
    There's no logical way anyone could come to that conclusion.
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    The second article is basically talking about dosages of creatine and how it should be taken, which I totally agree with, over dosing on anything is unhealthy and something which I have been saying over about Creatine.

    To talk about the 1st article, I'd have to say everybody's body is different. Something might work for somebody else while for others might not. That's why when starting any supplement or workout program you should see a physician first, even with Protien powder because it still affects the liver and kidney's. Also, I did mention inters ial nephritis in my quotes.
    Our bodies normally make all kinds on wastes due to normal metabolism which are toxins. The major function of the kidney is to get rid of those.
    If you're implying Creatine is a toxin, it's not. Creatine is a nitrogenous organic acid that naturally occurs in vertebrates and helps to supply energy to muscle cells -- Wikipedia.

    I guess we can agree to disagree. I see Creatine as useful if taken right and the neccessary precautions taken beforehand when using; like you should do with any new supplement or training progam.

    Also, I'll just repost my quotes here with links.
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    http://www.sportsci.org/traintech/creatine/rbk.html (Sports Science)
    In studies of preoperative and post-operative patients, untrained subjects, and elite athletes, and with dosages of 1.5 to 25 g per day for up to a year, the only side effect has been weight gain (Balsom, Soderlund & Ekblom, 1994). Even so, concern about possible side effects has been mentioned in lay publications and mailing lists. Before discussing these possible side effects, it should be noted that they emanate from unsubstantiated anecdotal reports and may be unrelated to creatine supplementation. We must be careful to base comments regarding side effects of creatine supplementation on factual evidence, not speculation. But we must also understand that few studies have directly investigated any side effects of creatine supplementation. Consequently, discussion about possible side effects is warranted.

    Anecdotal reports from some athletic trainers and coaches suggest that creatine supplementation may promote a greater incidence of muscle strains or pulls. Theoretically, the gains in strength and body mass may place additional stress on bone, joints and ligaments. Yet no study has do ented an increased rate of injury following creatine supplementation, even though many of these studies evaluated highly trained athletes during heavy training periods. Athletes apparently adapt to the increase in strength, which is modest and gradual.

    There have been some anecdotal claims that athletes training hard in hot or humid conditions experience severe muscle cramps when taking creatine, and the cramps have been attributed to overheating and./or changes in the amount of water or salts in muscle. But no study has reported that creatine supplementation causes any cramping, dehydration, or changes in salt concentrations, even though some studies have evaluated highly trained athletes undergoing intense training in hot/humid environments. In my experience with athletes training in the heat (e.g., during 2-a-day football practice in autumn), cramping is related to muscular fatigue and dehydration while exercising in the heat. It is not related to creatine supplementation. Nevertheless, athletes taking creatine while training in hot and humid environments should be aware of this possible side effect and take additional precautions to prevent dehydration.

    Some concern has been raised regarding the effects of creatine supplementation on kidney function. The body seems to be able to dispose of the extra creatine without any problem (Poortmans et al., 1997). The extra creatine is eliminated mainly in the urine as creatine, with small amounts broken down and excreted as creatinine or urea. No study has shown that creatine supplementation results in clinically significant increases in liver damage or impaired liver function.
    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/d...-creatine.html
    Congestive heart failure (chronic)

    Cardiac creatine levels are reported as depressed in chronic heart failure. Several studies report that creatine supplementation is associated with improved heart muscle strength, body weight and endurance in patients with heart failure. However, it is not clear what dose may be safe or effective. Supplementation is also reported to increase creatine in skeletal muscle in these patients, helping to increase strength and endurance. Well-designed studies comparing creatine with drugs used to treat heart failure are needed before a firm recommendation can be made. Heart failure should be treated by a qualified healthcare professional.

    Enhanced athletic performance and endurance

    It has been suggested that creatine may help improve athletic performance or endurance by increasing time to fatigue (possibly by shortening muscle recovery periods). However, the results of research evaluating this claim are mixed. Findings from different studies disagree with each other, and most studies do not support the use of creatine to enhance sustained aerobic activities. C
    Enhanced muscle mass / strength

    Multiple studies suggest that creatine may improve muscle mass and strength in men and women, particularly when accompanied by increased physical activity. However, studies of creatine in athletes have disagreed with each other. Although many experts believe that creatine may be useful for high-intensity, short-duration exercise, it has not been demonstrated effective in endurance sports. Benefit may be greatest when levels of creatine prior to supplementation are low, and in specific sub-populations such as older men.
    GAMT deficiency

    Some individuals are born with a genetic disorder in which there is a deficiency of the enzyme guanidinoacetate methyltransferase (GAMT). A lack of this enzyme causes severe developmental delays and abnormal movement disorders. The condition is diagnosed by a lack of creatine in the brain. Although there is only limited research in this area.
    Heart muscle protection during heart surgery
    There is early evidence that heart muscle may recover better and more rapidly after open-heart surgery if intravenous creatinine is administered during the operation. Further study is needed before a recommendation can be made.
    High cholesterol
    There is limited research in this area, and results from different studies disagree with each other (with some trials noting reductions in total cholesterol and triglyceride levels). It remains unclear what effect creatine has on lipids. Additional studies are needed before a clear conclusion can be drawn.
    Huntington's disease
    There is preliminary evidence that creatine may be well-tolerated and safe in Huntington's disease patients. Further research is needed before a recommendation can be made.
    Hyperornithinemia (high levels of ornithine in the blood)

    Ornithine is a byproduct formed in the liver. Some individuals are born with a genetic disorder that prevents them from appropriately breaking down ornithine, and blood levels of ornithine become too high. High amounts of ornithine can lead to blindness, muscle weakness and reduced storage of creatine in muscles and the brain. Although there is only limited research in this area, early evidence suggests that long-term, daily creatine supplements may help replace missing creatine and slow vision loss.
    McArdle's disease

    In McArdle's disease, there is a deficiency of energy compounds stored in muscle. This leads to muscle fatigue, exercise intolerance, and pain when exercising. Creatine has been proposed as a possible therapy for this condition. However, research is limited, and the results of existing studies disagree with each other. Therefore, it remains unclear if creatine offers any benefits to patients with McArdle's disease.

    Muscular dystrophy

    Creatine loss is suspected to cause muscle weakness and breakdown in Duchenne muscular dystrophy. Further research of creatine supplementation for muscular dystrophy is needed before a recommendation can be made. C
    Myocardial infarction (heart attack)

    There is early evidence that intravenous creatine following a heart attack may be beneficial to heart muscle function, and may prevent ventricular arrhythmias. Further study is needed before a recommendation can be made in this area.It has been reported that use of creatine phosphate may have a favorable effect on mental deterioration in "cardio-cerebral syndrome" following heart attacks in the elderly.
    Neuromuscular disorders

    Numerous studies suggest that creatine may be helpful in the treatment of various neuromuscular diseases, such as amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) and myasthenia gravis, and may delay onset of symptoms when used as an adjunct to conventional treatment. However, creatine ingestion does not appear to have a significant effect on muscle creatine stores or high-intensity exercise capacity in individuals with multiple sclerosis and supplementation does not seem to help people with tetraplegia.Although early studies were encouraging, recent research reports no beneficial effects on survival or disease progression. Additional studies are needed to provide clearer answers.

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    The below uses are based on tradition or scientific theories. They often have not been thoroughly tested in humans, and safety and effectiveness have not always been proven. Some of these conditions are potentially serious, and should be evaluated by a qualified healthcare provider.
    AGAT deficiency, Alzheimer's disease, anti-arrhythmic, anti-convulsant, anti-inflammatory, antioxidant, breast cancer, cervical cancer, circadian clock acceleration, colon cancer, diabetes, diabetic complications, disuse muscle atrophy, fibromyalgia, growth, herpes, hyper cysteinemia, mitochondrial diseases, neuroprotection, Parkinson's disease, rheumatoid arthritis, hypoxic seizures, wasting of brain regions.



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    Adults (18 years and older):
    A wide range of dosing has been used or studied by mouth. 400 milligrams per kilogram of body weight or up to 25 grams per day has been studied for multiple conditions.

    Numerous dosing regimens for intravenous or intramuscular administration have been used in studies in humans. Intravenous dosing should be conducted only under strict medical supervision.

    Children (younger than 18 years):
    Dosing in children should be under medical supervision because of potential adverse effects.


    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration does not strictly regulate herbs and supplements. There is no guarantee of strength, purity or safety of products, and effects may vary. You should always read product labels. If you have a medical condition, or are taking other drugs, herbs, or supplements, you should speak with a qualified healthcare provider before starting a new therapy. Consult a healthcare provider immediately if you experience side effects.

    Allergies
    Creatine has been associated with asthmatic symptoms. People should avoid creatine if they have a known allergy to this supplement.

    Side Effects and Warnings
    There is limited systematic study of the safety, pharmacology, or toxicology of creatine. Individuals using creatine, including athletes, should be monitored by a healthcare professional. Users are advised to inform their physician or other qualified healthcare professional.

    Some individuals may experience gastrointestinal symptoms, including loss of appe e, stomach discomfort, diarrhea, or nausea.

    Creatine may cause muscle cramps or muscle breakdown, leading to muscle tears or discomfort. Weight gain and increased body mass may occur. Heat intolerance, fever, dehydration, reduced blood volume, or electrolyte imbalances (and resulting seizures) may occur.

    There is less concern today than there used to be about possible kidney damage from creatine, although there are reports of kidney damage, such as inters ial nephritis. Patients with kidney disease should avoid use of this supplement. Similarly, liver function may be altered, and caution is advised in those with underlying liver disease.

    In theory, creatine may alter the activities of insulin. Caution is advised in patients with diabetes or hypoglycemia, and in those taking drugs, herbs, or supplements that affect blood sugar. Serum glucose levels may need to be monitored by a healthcare professional, and medication adjustments may be necessary.

    Chronic administration of a large quan y of creatine is reported to increase the production of formaldehyde, which may potentially cause serious unwanted side effects.

    Creatine may increase the risk of compartment syndrome of the lower leg, a condition characterized by pain in the lower leg associated with inflammation and ischemia (diminished blood flow), which is a potential surgical emergency.

    General Creatine Info: http://www.bla.net/opul/crfaq.htm#Usage

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    our bodies make all the creatine we CAN use.
    any supplement is virtually useless.

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    our bodies make all the creatine we CAN use.
    any supplement is virtually useless.
    Then why does creatine give you a lot of energy and allow you to lift heavier weight and increase your endurance, and recovery time?

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