Dirk is not more complete than Duncan. However I agree that he is compared to Barkley and Malone. Let's leave it at this.
Yea, I missed this one. You have got to be kidding me.
1 TD
2 KG
3 Dirk
4 CB4
5 Gasol
6 O'Neal
7 Brand
8 Boozer
9 Matrix
10 Sheed
Dirk is a great player and has really carried his team but the guy just sucks at playing defense. And as odd as this may sound, but JO isn't that good of a defensive player. Ok, he's a good shotblocker, but he just seems very slow on his feet and he just walks towards the defensive end slower than my grandma. CB4 is going to be huge. Duncan is GOAT.
Dennis Rodman ring a bell? How about Ben Wallace(Not as tall as whats listed)?
Three pages and not one person has mentioned that Duncan is a center. Even most all NBA teams I have seen predicted for this season list Duncan at center.
Best guys playing PF:
Dirk
CB4
KG
He's a center?
Why does he play the PF position then? Elson is our center. If you can't even figure out how to look up the rosters on ESPN, I'm surprised you learned how to post here. Garnett and Dirk have played the SF position before, so they also have to be taken out of the PF position by your argument.
I don't like Jermaine O'Neal's game at all. He's once again shooting a ty percentage, and I thought he got way too much credit for Indiana's success. I still can't believe a bigman can come in #3 in the MVP voting in a year he shoots 43%.
Then why has he always played pf in his career? What where guys like D-Rob, Rasho, Nazr, and now Elson doing on the court?
Both KG & Dirk have played a lot of time at center as well. It's been a really long time since Dirk has played the SF position though. That was one of the first things Avery shut down.
Elson plays a whole 18 minutes a game. Duncan plays center more than him. Who do you think is the center when Duncan plays alongside Finley, or Horry, or Bonner?
People know that offensively Duncan played like the center for years and even last year with Rasho on the team, often defensively Rasho ended up covering the PF because they were often the key big man on offense and Duncan took the center.
When the Spurs play Dallas who does Duncan cover again? Oh, yeah, the center- Dampier.
The question was about THIS year, and many people would classify Duncan as a center this year.
Even 82 games has Duncan playing 51% of the entire team's total minutes at center (ie, 24.5 minutes) and only 20% of the teams minutes at PF (ie, 9.6 mins).
Define playing like a center offensively? Dont you mean playing like a post player? And Rasho hardly ever covered pf's because he was too slow. And you give me one example? Dallas? Ok, so 4 games out of the year, he plays center for 28 minutes a game.And no, I would still not consider Duncan a center this year. Just because he is forced to play another spot sometimes doesnt mean he isnt a pf.
Good PF's Rasho covered the past couple of seasons for the Spurs- off the top of my head:Even 82 games has Duncan playing 51% of the entire team's total minutes at center (ie, 24.5 minutes) and only 20% of the teams minutes at PF (ie, 9.6 mins).
KG
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Rasheed Wallace
Jermaine O'Neal
SAR
You missed an entire summer of conversation about the Spurs being better off signing a new PF than a center because Duncan guards centers so much anyway already.
Ploto you forgot to inculde Rasho and Beno on the top of that list.
Chris Bosh
Yeah I know, I realized it a little too late and had to edit my post.
Why are people getting their panties in a bunch? All I said was that Duncan is considered by many to be more a center this year than a PF. That does not take anything away from all he has done as a PF. It isn't some insult. I have seen people project Tim as an all-NBA first team center.
1) Duncan
2)Dirk
3)KG
4)Bosh
5)Boozer
6)Brand
7)Gasol
8)Amare
9)O'Neal
10)C-Webb/Sheed tie
Honorable mention-Randolph
Who is getting their panties in a bunch?
How could Chuck Hayes NOT make this list
He can even dunk
And he has a serial-killer twisted angry look to him:
It's funny how people rush into someone, trying to insult that person with pathetic attempts - and end up correcting their post in a hurry, when they realize they might have not appeared as smart as they thought they would.Yeah I know, I realized it a little too late and had to edit my post.E20, why are you trying to humiliate ploto, did she kill your mother or something?
And just for the record, I don't agree with ploto on that one, I think Duncan is PF, but he is forced to play C much more than he'd liked to.
Because of the heavy-handed way with which you initially made the post in the thread. "Three pages and you haven't mentioned a simple 'fact' yet? You all must be idiots." is the message very clearly conveyed by your first post. Not to mention the fact that while you're calling others out for missing such a simple idea, you're still wrong.
PG - Parker
SG - Finley
SF - Bowen
PF - Duncan
C - Elson
How much more clearly can that be made out for you?
Duncan might be projected at center, but that's due to the incredible availablility of Forwards in the league and the absolute dearth of quality centers. Duncan is arguably the best post defender in the league right now, therefore he gets the "center" role for the NBA, as centers typically are more defensively oriented than a PF. It's really very simple.
Last edited by Cry Havoc; 04-10-2007 at 12:48 PM.
Bosh is growing as a player. He is so frigging smart.
He will be #1 on this list in a few years.
In yesterday night's game the Wolves were all over Bosh, so he only took 9 shots (and for the rest he drove in to get the foul calls). He kept passing out of double teams (which leads to more passes) and a lot of open shots. He never looked to force anything and still managed 16 points, 13 rebounds. He made sure the shooters on the outside who were "hot" stayed "hot." And his defense is so underrated.
Kobe Bryant on the other hand kept shooting and bricking, shooting and bricking..... Those days when Kobe is bricking he should change his game and concentrate more on other things to help the team win (like MJ did). Instead Kobe keeps bricking.... he wasted 21 friggen shots. Kobe should have stopped taking tough outside shots and drove in to get to the free throw line. And mix it up with set ups for teammates.
This is offtopic:
Does anyone notice how Bryant isn't great at making changes to his game during games? It's like he can only be a "pass first player" or "shoot first player" for a complete game. If Phil tells him to start passing, he does that excessively for a game. If Phil tells him to start shooting (like a few weeks ago), Kobe shoots and shoots and shoots. One very talented, but not very bright person he is (nowhere near MJ).
I like Bosh. But more rebounds and blocks for him would be nice.
Yup, I've noticed that about Kobe. He doesn't have that all-around game like Lebron and Wade do.
Bosh is great, reminds me of a weak version of D-Rob without the great d
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