Shiites Call for U.S. to Leave Iraq

[whottt]

No...you're not a commie, you're a useful idiot. There's a difference...but not much of one.

[Yonivore]

so you call me a commie cause I like che guevara

Why do you like Che Guevara?

[smeagol]

That's Yoni's problem...and yours.

Not my problem. It was used as an excuse to go to war.

There is a major difference between having them, and in the process of acquiring them...surely you see the difference there?

And what nuclear capability was Iraq about to acquire? Your argument is circular and leads nowhere.

The Cease fire agreement was with us...not the UN.

Who said otherwise?

And yes...I hate the UN because it lacks the balls to enforce it's own resolutions...it does nothing.

Nah, you hate the UN because you think the US is the only country who always does the right thing and never makes mistakes when it comes to foreign policy. You blame Europe for every evil in the world.

No scratch that...it's corrupt. It's quite possibly the most corrupt international body in the world.

Do you hate your government for the corruption that stems from it? There’s corruption everywhere.

And we pay for it...and they do like put Saudi Arabia on the Human Rights Commitee.

Everybody pays for it. You pay more because you are richer.

And even if the UN had fully supported us...who the do you think would have been doing the fighting? Argentina?

We sent two ships in the first Iraq war. And why would you need our help anyways? You guys love liberating countries.

Reasons why America hates the UN? And why flowers don't shoot out of it's ass?

Huh?

Ok...a defacto state of war existed with the United States, from the moment Saddam violated it...about 1992.

So the US waits 10 years after the cease fire was broken to invade Iraq. Perfect timing.

It's a globally traded commodity.. .

As most of the commodities are . . .

You Argies drive cars?

Nah, we still horseback ride to work down here.

Well ya'll are probably getting it cheap from Hugo, for now. .

Wrong again. Chavez does not sell oil to us. Actually nobody does. We produce more than we consume. Hence, we export oil.

OTOH, with all the rhetoric between Bush and Hugo, the US continues to be the largest buyer of Venezuelan crude. Go figure.

Because that would pretty much destroy any chance we have of being successful at that goal.

What makes you think stating your war plan is an effective way to win it?


If I tell someone I am going to punch them in the face, don't you think that decreases my chances of being successful?

DoI really have to explain this? .

Ahh, so all those excuses, Powel at the UN, the WMDs, the Iraq-AQ connection were all . . . well just that . . . excuses. The real reason was the US wants a free and democraticize the ME.

Okie dokie . . .

[cheguevara]

No...you're not a commie, you're a useful idiot. There's a difference...but not much of one.

thanks your highness.

actually I do look forward to your posts in here, because I also want to know what a typical ignorant redneck thinks.

[smeagol]

Why do you like Che Guevara?

I have sort off the same question.

Why would anyone like Che Guevara, Castro or Chavez?

[cheguevara]

Why do you like Che Guevara?

he had more balls than all of us put together to start. and also a lot of his writings make sense to me. but of couse I don't agree 100% with him. that's all I'm gonna say cause whott might call the CIA on my ass.

[Yonivore]

he had more balls than all of us put together to start.

Having balls doesn't make you worthy of respect or affection.

...and also a lot of his writings make sense to me.

Really? Which ones?

...but of couse I don't agree 100% with him. that's all I'm gonna say cause whott might call the CIA on my ass.

I see.

[smeagol]

he had more balls than all of us put together to start.

Stalin, Saddam, Chavez, etc, etc probably also had / has balls. Not really a good reason to idolize them

and also a lot of his writings make sense to me.

Which ones? The ones where we called for guerrillas in all LatAm. Yep, great writings

[cheguevara]

Which ones? The ones where we called for guerrillas in all LatAm. Yep, great writings

you do realize there are ppl living in complete in Latin America right? and that has been happening for centuries.

i beleive violence is not the answer(it was his answer) but something has to be done about that.

[ChumpDumper]

What you need to give me is the link to Cheney saying we invaded Iraq because they were behind 911.

WMDs + links to terra = reason to go to war

You can't get away with being this disingenuous.

[whottt]

Not my problem. It was used as an excuse to go to war.

Link? Link to where went into Iraq because Saddam was behind 911...

And what nuclear capability was Iraq about to acquire?

Um....the nuclear kind?

IIRC, WMD was the key word.....

IIRC, Saddam had kicked the weapons inspectors out 4 years prior.

Your argument is circular and leads nowhere.

No smeagol.....my argument is not circular, my argument is linear...and sensible. You are circular...as is your country.......coincidence? I think not.


I'm giving you the answers...you just can't understand.

NK - DEFINITELY HAS ING NUKES
IRAQ AND IRAN - Not definite.


There is no circular there....

IRaq - Violated a Cease Fire...working to acquire WMD(again)

Iran - did not

North Korea - has nukes.

There is no circular there.


See you can't tell the difference as to why one is a good military target, with justification and legal recourse, and the others aren't...

That's not ciruclar, that's you not being able to understand the ING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DEFINITELY HAS NUKES AND WORKING TO ACQUIRE THEM.

Who said otherwise?

You did...when you asked why we cite UN Resolutions as justification for the IRaq war even though we hate the UN.

The cease fire wasn't a UN resolution. It was an agreement between the US and Iraq. That he violated when he fired on our ing planes.


Has Iran done that? Has Saudi done that?

Nah, you hate the UN because you think the US is the only country who always does the right thing and never makes mistakes when it comes to foreign policy.

Link?

Oh the US is definitely better than the UN...

The UN is an impotent, corrupt and aristocratic piece of .

You blame Europe for every evil in the world.

No...just for communism, socialsim, anti-semitism, racism(the original concept), the Israelie Palestine conflict, the current ed up layout of the Middle East and Africa, and the religious conflicts therein...

Oh and because their former colonies are spawning grounds for Socialism and Communism....

Do you hate your government for the corruption that stems from it?

No..because it's not as ed up and corrupt as most of the Governments that are hostile towards us.

There’s corruption everywhere.

Some places more than others...at least we drag our own dirty laundry out...why you fools think you don't see that done with your own countries because it doesn't happen there.

Everybody pays for it. You pay more because you are richer.

And get less benefit from it...


It's not jsut pay...we end up enforcing most of their military resolutions as well...


They can't do without us...and all they are doing is working to protect dictators.

We sent two ships in the first Iraq war. And why would you need our help anyways? You guys love liberating countries.

We didn't need your help...matter of fact, you could have opposed us and sympathized with Saddam, like you did Hitler during WWII, and it likely wouldn't have made a difference...kinda like WWII.

Huh?

You asked a question and I answered it.

So the US waits 10 years after the cease fire was broken to invade Iraq. Perfect timing.

No..the US honored the ing do nothing coalition aligned before the Persian Gulf War.

The coalition didn't allow for Saddam's removal.

And I agree it was mistake...but why don't you try blaming the goddamn UN for that...since it was thre policy.

I agree...we should have ignored it.

As most of the commodities are . . .





Nah, we still horseback ride to work down here.

WEll if you guys didn't default on the largest loans in history, mayber someone would trust you with some oil and cars.

Wrong again. Chavez does not sell oil to us. Actually nobody does. We produce more than we consume. Hence, we export oil.

Big deal...so do we.

OTOH, with all the rhetoric between Bush and Hugo, the US continues to be the largest buyer of Venezuelan crude. Go figure.

We're the largest buyer of many countries crude...I suggest you do a little more research on global commodity and then tell me if you understand it yet.

Then go look at OPEC...

Ahh, so all those excuses, Powel at the UN, the WMDs, the Iraq-AQ connection were all . . . well just that . . . excuses. The real reason was the US wants a free and democraticize the ME.

Okie dokie . . .

Of course we want to Democratize the ME...we've tried to Democratize the World for the last century...pay attention much?

We try to Democratize it...the Commies it up, then we blow the whole thing up because the people are too stupid to see through the propaganda.

That's been the way the word has worked for the last century...or at least since Europe kept involving us in their wars.


In summary...

America>UN
America>Europe
America>Argentina


Fact...not arrogance.

[whottt]

WMDs + links to terra = reason to go to war

You can't get away with being this disingenuous.

So you can't provide the link....

Figureed as much, media .

[whottt]

Smeagol...I can't believe you'd hate on one of your own countrymen like Che. Argetines need something to be proud of do...being Nazi Sympathizers and defaulting on the largest loan in history doesn't go very far.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, they just said this stuff for the of it.

2002

Rice, Sept. 25: "There clearly are contacts between al-Qaeda and Iraq that can be do ented; there clearly is testimony that some of the contacts have been important contacts and that there's a relationship here. ... And there are some al-Qaeda personnel who found refuge in Baghdad."

Bush, Oct. 7: "We know that Iraq and the al-Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy — the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al-Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade" and "we've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases."

2003

Bush, State of the Union address, Jan. 28: "And this Congress and the American people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al-Qaeda."

Bush, Feb. 6: "Senior members of Iraqi intelligence and al-Qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and do ent forgery experts to work with al-Qaeda" and "Iraq has also provided al-Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training."

2004

Cheney, Jan. 21: "I continue to believe — I think there's overwhelming evidence that there was a connection between al-Qaeda and the Iraqi government. I'm very confident that there was an established relationship there."

Cheney, Monday: Saddam Hussein "had long-established ties with al-Qaeda."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...-by-bush_x.htm

I was wrong. You can be that disingenuous. You're as bad as Nbadan.

[whottt]

Yeah, they just said this stuff for the of it.

2002

Rice, Sept. 25: "There clearly are contacts between al-Qaeda and Iraq that can be do ented; there clearly is testimony that some of the contacts have been important contacts and that there's a relationship here. ... And there are some al-Qaeda personnel who found refuge in Baghdad."

Bush, Oct. 7: "We know that Iraq and the al-Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy — the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al-Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade" and "we've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases."

2003

Bush, State of the Union address, Jan. 28: "And this Congress and the American people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al-Qaeda."

Bush, Feb. 6: "Senior members of Iraqi intelligence and al-Qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and do ent forgery experts to work with al-Qaeda" and "Iraq has also provided al-Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training."

2004

Cheney, Jan. 21: "I continue to believe — I think there's overwhelming evidence that there was a connection between al-Qaeda and the Iraqi government. I'm very confident that there was an established relationship there."

Cheney, Monday: Saddam Hussein "had long-established ties with al-Qaeda."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...-by-bush_x.htm

I was wrong. You can be that disingenuous. You're as bad as Nbadan.

Connections between Saddam and AlQaeda does not = Saddam being behind 911.

Are you saying that you don't believe Saddam and Al Qaeda both hated America? And that there were never any contacts between them?

[whottt]

In the attempt to pre-empt some Chump twisting and stupidity...

what you need to give me is the link to Cheney saying we invaded Iraq because they were behind 911.

Still waiting for that link.

[ChumpDumper]

Actually I don't have to give you .

The Bush administration did all it could to perpetuate the fundamental misunderstanding the American puiblic had about Saddam's involvement in 9/11. The record is clear on this.

That's all that needs to be understood. I know you'll never understand it, but that's it.

[ChumpDumper]

I'll wait for your link where Bush says Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 before the invasion.

[whottt]

what you need to give me is the link to Cheney saying we invaded Iraq because they were behind 911.

*Grabs a snickers*.


Chump, did I ever tell you how owned you are when you're angry, darling?

[ChumpDumper]

Hey, I never said any such link existed.

Just that you are disingenuous and that WMD + link to terra = cause for invasion. I can link this thread to prove that if you like.

Since I never made the claim that the administration outright said Saddam was behind 9/11, I don't have to give you for that.

[whottt]

Ok then STFU, since you gave an answer for a question that no one was asking...at least I wasn't.


And I am pretty sure that the administration portrayed the Saddam AlQaeda as a potential WMD terror hook up...which it most definitely was.

Look there's no doubt the Administration played up the threat of Saddam and demonized him...

BFD, that's standard preparation for readying a country for war...

[whottt]

i beleive violence is not the answer.

They needed you at Virgina Tech yesterday...

Evidentally those kids were too stupid to suggest peace to the homicidal maniac...if only...

you guys are stupid. Only in America can you be sheltered enough to be that ing stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

Look there's no doubt the Administration played up the threat of Saddam and demonized him...

I know you are fine with lying and distortion, whottt. That isn't in question.

[whottt]

I know you are fine with lying and distortion, whottt. That isn't in question.

You completely misspelled, " I know you have accepted that governments are all corrupt, whottt, which makes you the smarter of the two of us".


Bottom line is that sticking a Democracy smack dab in the middle east is the best way to combat militant Islam...

Qualifier: An Arab/Muslim Democracy...

And would you racist bigoted idiots please stop saying they can't understand it...it aint that difficult.

[smeagol]

Smeagol...I can't believe you'd hate on one of your own countrymen like Che. Argetines need something to be proud of do...being Nazi Sympathizers and defaulting on the largest loan in history doesn't go very far.

When you start insulting me with unrelated , that's when I know I'm kicking your ass.

Just like that time when we discussed rugby . . .

Dude, the difference between you and me is that I do get embarassed by some of the my countrymen (and especially the Argentine politicians) do. You, OTOH, naivly believe whatever the US does is fine.