No... that you playing your geezers now in an effort to possibly win a division rather than the young, inexpensive talent may hinder your future compared to the Diamondbacks since they rid themselves of big-money, little-production geezers in favor of an early start at sifting through their uber-talented farm system to find the keepers. Doing such at last one year before LA bodes well for the long run.Like I said, so what are you trying to say?
That the Dodgers have no future because they are nothing but geezers? Isn't that what you were saying?
No. I quoted two articles, one who's author said, in his opinion, the Dodgers were tops, the Diamondbacks third and another that said it was too close to call.I mean you posted multiple articles saying the Dodgers have the best farm system (as well as having a better team this year), so I'm trying to understand what you're trying to say.
I never said the Dodgers had a poor farm system. I never said anything about their system other than the quotes from outside sources.
You simply implied things weren't even close. According to unbiased experts, it's VERY close, in some minds, too close to make a call.
I just found the 2007 Baseball Prospectus rankings (can't link, but you can search if you care too). The Dodgers are fifth, the Diamondbacks sixth, and they didn't count Tracy, Jackson, Hairston, Callaspo, Drew or Quentin into their rankings. Had they included Hairston, Callaspo, Drew and Quentin, they'd have probably been in the top two.
You flat out stated the Diamondbacks sucked and that their farm system wasn't nearly as good as the Dodgers.
I said they didn't suck, but were young and inconsistant, and that they were, at the very least, equals with LA in the current farm system.
Whether you accept common sense is all up to you.
Let's see how things workout this year, shall we?
BTW, different topic, but have you heard any of the latest on the Lakers trading Bynum? Unless they land Jermaine O'Neal or Garnett, I wouldn't. I'm sure they think similarly, but was wondering if they'd said as much.
Thanks.
Meanwhile, Davis pitched a solid 6 innings tonight, giving up two runs to the Phillies.
He's been their best and most consistant pitcher for Arizona.
Guess he was a good get afterall. sub-2.5 ERA... quietly.
Hope they can string a few more wins together.
Well the Dodgers don't really have any geezers. I'm assuming you're speaking of Nomar, Kent and Gonzalez. I don't think you can really call Nomar and Kent geezers. They still produce, especially Nomar. I would agree that Gonzalez is a geezer, but he's only signed for 1 year and he seems to be back on the juice. Good news for the Dodgers. The Dodgers are playing youngsters and you will see more getting called up. LaRoche finally got called up and he plays 3rd, which is one of our big weaknesses. Kemp and Ethier will rotate in the outfield, and Russell Martin is the best young catcher IMO. As of right now Looney looks like he's gonna be the only one that will be getting held back. And that's good news for the Dodgers because that means Nomar is playing well and not hurt. Another plus is that Nomar plays multiple positions, so he can always be moved around to make room for Looney. Not to mention the young pitching we have with Beimel, Broxton, Tsao, etc. I don't really think your extra year is gonna make that big of a difference. We should have no problem competing this year as well as next year and beyond.
No but you said the team was full of geezers and had no future. Having a good farm system pretty much counters that.No. I quoted two articles, one who's author said, in his opinion, the Dodgers were tops, the Diamondbacks third and another that said it was too close to call.
I never said the Dodgers had a poor farm system. I never said anything about their system other than the quotes from outside sources.
I'd still take the Dodgers farm system over the D'backs.You simply implied things weren't even close. According to unbiased experts, it's VERY close, in some minds, too close to make a call.
And I'm sure that list doesn't include Ethier, Martin, Kemp, Broxton, Billingsley.I just found the 2007 Baseball Prospectus rankings (can't link, but you can search if you care too). The Dodgers are fifth, the Diamondbacks sixth, and they didn't count Tracy, Jackson, Hairston, Callaspo, Drew or Quentin into their rankings. Had they included Hairston, Callaspo, Drew and Quentin, they'd have probably been in the top two.
They do suck compared to the Dodgers.You flat out stated the Diamondbacks sucked and that their farm system wasn't nearly as good as the Dodgers.
Seriously, your team does have a bright future (other then Drew). But they are not as good as the Dodgers this year and I don't think that extra year is gonna be as much as an advantage as you think it will be. We're also loaded with youngsters as well as having some solid veterans and one of the best pitching staffs in baseball.I said they didn't suck, but were young and inconsistant, and that they were, at the very least, equals with LA in the current farm system.
Whether you accept common sense is all up to you.
Let's see how things workout this year, shall we?
Now if you have called the Giants a bunch of geezers I would have agreed with you.
IMO Bynum only gets traded for KG. I know Kobe doesn't want to wait for Bynum, but he's not the GM. He's too worried about his prime and not the future of the Lakers. Kwame is an expiring $10 Million so he will probably get moved and Odom will more then likely get moved before Bynum. But I do have a feeling that the KG to L.A. move will probably happen this year. If not they use the mid-level on a PG, maybe sign and trade Walton for some defense, and wait another year for Bynum. I have a feeling he will play much better this coming year and start looking like a solid big.BTW, different topic, but have you heard any of the latest on the Lakers trading Bynum? Unless they land Jermaine O'Neal or Garnett, I wouldn't. I'm sure they think similarly, but was wondering if they'd said as much.
Thanks.
Brad Penny had 14 K's tonight.
I wish the Diamondbacks had never traded that kid. I know he's a potential injury every start, but he's got "it" and works his ass off every start.
As for you Dodgers prospects, both literal and implied, it'll be interesting to see the Dodgers and Diamondbacks battling things out for the extended future. Lots of talent. Diamondbacks need a few more young pitchers, but with all these prospects, and their low payroll, maybe within the next few seasons they can acquire another youngster.
Brad Penny is the man. If he wouldn't have thrown out his arm in last years All-Star Game he would have had a much better year. He's also taking better care of himself and his weight, so hopefully that means less injuries.
Yeah both teams have very good prospects. And the Padres and Rockies also have some nice young talent. The Giants have a couple of nice young pitchers, but other than that look old as . The NL West is looking much stronger now and will be getting better.
How 'bout the Big unit last night, huh? Nine K's in 6 solid innings. Sure it was the Rockies, but a win is a win and it's nice to see RJ coming back into form.
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actually rockies have some really good patient hitters: Helton, Holliday, Atkins, Hawpe.How 'bout the Big unit las night, huh? Nine k's in 6 solid innings. Sure it was the Rockies, but a win is a win and it's nice to see RJ coming back into form.
nice to meet other dback fans
...and another decent performance by RJ. It's good to see some consistency from him.
yea 10ks for randy
half a game out of first
Good news from last night is that Owings is back and the Astros got Owned! Of course, that would have been a lot sweeter if it were the Dodgers, but a win is a win.
.5 games back. Go Pads.
I've noticed that since the Suns got own3d, there's not a lot of talk about the DBacks going on. More DBacks fans should be Spurs fans, and they wouldn't get their hearts broken during basketball season!
I've noticed that since the Suns got own3d, there's not a lot of talk about the DBacks going on. More DBacks fans should be Spurs fans, and they wouldn't get their hearts broken during basketball season!
I think I'm better. Think...
Either way, the DBacks have their big test this weekend with three games at Shea against the evil Mets.
Go Snakes!
whats it like to root for a contender in baseball? is it possible to actually win games?
Great win today. Webb was masterful, the hitting was timely, the defense solid and, overall, I think it was one of the best performances for them in years. Hopefully it's a great start to an even better weekend.
The Diamondbacks have been terrible for the last handful of years. They barely won 50 games in 2004, failed to live up to expectations in 2005, had that terrible stretch last year where they won like five games in close to 40 or so...whats it like to root for a contender in baseball? is it possible to actually win games?
I'm very grateful they are now a good team. Wouldn't call them a contender just yet, but they have potential.
The point of this was your team may be down now, but it's doubtful they had as bad a stretch as the Diamondbacks the last three years. If Arizona can pull out and right the ship and contend, then there's no reason any team can't.
I'm kind of disappointed that the Mets are so banged up, it would be nice to see this team against the best squad in the national league. Our pitching has been absolutely out of the world.
My only worry about the Diamondbacks is Bob Melvin. I've never been a Melvin fan at all, but as long as we're winning I can't complain.
Yeah. The Mets are definately beat up. Arizona's had its fair share of injuries as well. Wish both teams were healthy, but that's seldom the case.
As for Melvin, he's better than Brenley. He was terrible. I maintain the Diamondbacks won the Series despite him. Melvin isn't very good, however. He does seem to manage fairly well.
What is it with Arizona pro teams and their inept coaching? I'll leave the Cardinals off for now, but the Suns, D-backs and Coyotes all have coaches that are lacking alot of coaching know-how.
Ditto on Brenley. I'm pretty sure I could've managed that team to the world series that year.
The guy that I really like is Kirk Gibson. I think that he's was brought over here to be a potential manager. He's young, and a folk hero of sorts that could really relate well to our younger guys.
Also, besides the manager, the other thing that this team needs is some reliable power. Teixara and Cabrera are both guys that I really like, although it's definitely going to be difficult to get them. I also hope that we move Tracy, and CoJack is really on a short leash.
I haven't any idea what it would take for the Diamondbacks to get Teixara or Cabrera, but I'd willingly sign off on either deal, as long as Owings, Quentin, Drew, Young or Upton aren't included.
They got their brains beat in today. Shame. I was hoping for a sweep. They need to win this series, then win the next series. They need to enter their home series vs. Boston on a high note.
I know that Texas needs pitching, so it might involve someone like Scherzer along with a guy like Tracy or CoJack. Scherzer is really a luxury right now, especially with how well our pitching has been performing.
And I like Owings as much as the next guy, but I'd gladly give him up for a chance at Cabrera.
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