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Yep. If Mavs players are backing up Duncan, Crawford is in serious trouble.
That's certainly true when you watch the video. But I'm still confused about how Joey Crawford could have known -- how he could have been certain -- that Tim was mocking him unless he was looking for Tim to provide a reason for ejection. Joey made the call on Oberto that immediately preceded the 2nd T. He made that call while stationed near half court. For Joey to be able to discern that Tim's laughter was based on the call and not on something that Robert Horry said, he had to have been staring down Duncan, which suggests to me: (1) that Crawford was in fact looking for a chance to run Duncan; and (2) Crawford acted as inappropriately (or moreso) than Duncan did.
Yep. If Mavs players are backing up Duncan, Crawford is in serious trouble.
Objectivity? They cite players from both teams saying they heard Crawford bring up a fight. That's pretty freakin' informative if you ask me.
Does anyone have any idea when they will hand down the punishment? Is it expected sometime today?
dam we will never know......I heard ref agendas are not disclosed....
Well ... you'll know if TD gets fined/suspended. If that does NOT happen that will tell you something ... but IMO he does and it won't be small. I just hope that if they are going to suspend Tim they don't fart around with it - get it out of the way now and not the playoffs.
And you'll also be able to see where Crawdad is assigned in the playoffs, if anywhere. If he doesn't do any Spurs games that would tell you something, too.
If Joey Crawford doesn't work next weekend, I think it would be a pretty fair assumption that he was disciplined.
Thanks, Carina for posting that article. I saw it on ESPN last night, but wasn't able to read it...I was hoping someone would put it on ST.
they have to rule on this matter today
because the spurs play today
Thats interesting to see that "some" of the players are saying that they heard crawford in fact say the word "fight".
I really dont care if duncan or crawford gets suspended of fined. Let's just move on from this and focus on the playoff next week.
Though i am interested to see how the league officals are gonna explain this.
Naaa....JC would have a heart attack B4 it even started after he sits back and thinks.....what the did I get myself into now?!?
I have never read truer words on this board than these.
i didn't see the game. I went to a vacation then friends texting me the Spurs lost and that Duncan got tossed then now i read this actually happened? I'm so sad because Duncan is my favorite player and Crawford is I think one of my favorite referees, one I am so confident things will never go wrong if he officiates a Spurs game even in the playoffs. I want him to officiate. Now that he actually asked Duncan to a fight, I don't know.
this actually happened in the NBA?
You just don't knowhow sad I am.
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Last edited by milkyway21; 04-16-2007 at 08:43 PM.
eh, it's just a game.....don't beat yourself up over it.I'm so sad because Duncan is my favorite player and Crawford is I think one of my favorite referees, one I am so confident things will never go wrong if he officiate a Spurs game even in the playoffs. I want him to officiate. Now that he actually asked Duncan to a fight, I don't know.
You just don't knowhow sad I am.
I can assure you I'm not suicidal over it.eh, it's just a game.....don't beat yourself up over it.
I'm just sad the NBA is getting so bad press about this. I didn't hear any referee challenging a player to a fight in a game ever. Much more that the one he challenged is one of the nicest player in the league.
Surely I'm not the first to think this, but shouldn't Joey Crawford's punishment be refereeing a Spurs' playoff game - in San Antonio?
I'd hate for him to eat a bad breakfast taco.
While on a sinking riverboat in the dirty, muddy SA river.
what's amazing about this whole situation is nobody has photoshopped duncan and crawford into the v for vendetta poster. if someone has, please link it!
I'm thinking about the finals game between the Spurs and the Nets in New Jersey, i don't know if it was game 3, 4, or 5, when Crawford called Tim for a foul, it think it was a foul on Jefferson, and then complained about it saying "I didn't even touched him" or something. What Crawford said was "Get away from meeeeee, Tim". Duncan must have learned something from it. He can never win over Joe.
i just wish Crawford would excuse himself from officiating a Spurs game in the playoffs. We don't want any distractions over this thing. I wish he'd stay away from San Antonio at least for now that an incident such as this is still fresh in our minds.
I usually never say anything in here but its pissing me off to see so many people talk about how whiney Tim is. SO IS EVERY OTHER PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE. Everyone is acting like tim is the only one who complains.
I think it's not that Duncan is the only player that complains, he just seems to complain pretty uniformly throughout the game. The Spurs seem to use complaining as a form of gamesmanship, yelling at the refs for calls that are clearly correct -- Horry seems to enjoy doing this especially. Dirk seems to complain more loudly and in fewer situations overall, so he ends up with more technical fouls (though no ejections...).
It's similar to how the Pistons formerly played defense. If you bump the offensive player constantly, the refs won't call fouls every time you do it, and you can get away with more contact than you could if you used it sparingly.
I'm not saying it's not a strategy or its not effective or its poor sportsmanship or anything; it just tends to annoy a lot of people to see players getting their fair share of calls but still complaining.
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