Skip on Cold Pizza ref Crawford

[IX_Equilibrium]

is it me or are mav fans especially stupid in this thread?

The latter

[IX_Equilibrium]

I think it's a safe assumption that Crawford did NOT want to throw down with Tim...he meant an argument...

Ok, I think it's a safe assumption the Duncan was laughing at a joke that Robert Horry told him. I'm glad we both agree that Crawford was totally out of line here.

[Kermit]

I think it's a safe assumption that Crawford did NOT want to throw down with Tim...he meant an argument...

is it? crawford is ing bat- crazy. who knows what he meant. the fact of the matter is, he for all intents and purposes challenged a league mvp to a round of fisticuffs.

[monosylab1k]

is it? crawford is ing bat- crazy. who knows what he meant. the fact of the matter is, he for all intents and purposes challenged a league mvp to a round of fisticuffs.

it's definitely alot more likely that crawford wanted to literally fight duncan. the guy is a madman.

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is it me or are mav fans especially stupid in this thread?

No, not especially.

[Duncanoypi]

You lose credibility when you claim that somehow Tim should get special treatment.

whats with you ploto?is rasho's inside ur mouth?...

[DaMavs02]

d. A technical foul shall be assessed for unsportsmanlike tactics such as:
(1) Disrespectfully addressing an official
(2) Physically contacting an official
(3) Overt actions indicating resentment to a call
(4) Use of profanity
(5) A coach entering onto the court without permission of an official
(6) A deliberately-thrown elbow or any attempted physical act with no con-tact involved
(7) Taunting

I think Duncan pretty clearly fits into the "Overt actions indicating resentment to a call" camp. He had already been warned once and still continued. Players and coaches get two quick technicals and ejected all the time -- when the first technical isn't enough of a detractor to get the person to change their behavior.

I think Joey had a quick hook because he thought Duncan was planning on complaining and "indicating resentment" the rest of the game, and figured he'd get rid of the distraction.

[bigfish22]

Yo Leonard, you have seriously been talking out of your ass all morning on this one. I have read each and every one of your posts and you make more of a jack ass of yourself with each one. You are seriously making a case for yourself as a character on the next ESPNews commercial, where they show 'sports fans' talking out of their asses. Regardless of what team I like, I would still think you have nothing good to say and you need to just stop posting in this thread because you have already dug yourself past 6 feet in!

That being said, I commend the all the non-Spurs fans for making the right call in saying this was an unwarranted ejection. Anyone who thinks otherwise is really just a hater. And if I, along with everyone else here, am wrong, I have yet to see one credible, logical, or even sane argument that says otherwise.

[CubanMustGo]

I think Duncan pretty clearly fits into the "Overt actions indicating resentment to a call" camp. He had already been warned once and still continued. Players and coaches get two quick technicals and ejected all the time -- when the first technical isn't enough of a detractor to get the person to change their behavior.

I think Joey had a quick hook because he thought Duncan was planning on complaining and "indicating resentment" the rest of the game, and figured he'd get rid of the distraction.

Good gawd another Mav fan who can read minds.

[kskonn]

I think Duncan pretty clearly fits into the "Overt actions indicating resentment to a call" camp. He had already been warned once and still continued. Players and coaches get two quick technicals and ejected all the time -- when the first technical isn't enough of a detractor to get the person to change their behavior.

I think Joey had a quick hook because he thought Duncan was planning on complaining and "indicating resentment" the rest of the game, and figured he'd get rid of the distraction.

I see your point but was duncan really being a distraction? Did anyone besides Crawford notice anything he was doing until Crawford called the second tech? It is also not Crawfords job to assume how a player will act the rest of the game, just like they do not assume that a foul will happen they wait for the foul to happen.

Also based on the rules you posted the First tech should be more in question than the second. That was Tim and Finley politely talking to a ref when Crawford ran cross court and specifically singled out Tim.

[LEONARD]

Yo Leonard, you have seriously been talking out of your ass all morning on this one. I have read each and every one of your posts and you make more of a jack ass of yourself with each one. You are seriously making a case for yourself as a character on the next ESPNews commercial, where they show 'sports fans' talking out of their asses. Regardless of what team I like, I would still think you have nothing good to say and you need to just stop posting in this thread because you have already dug yourself past 6 feet in!

Thanks...being in a commercial would be sweet...

[Ginofan]

I think Duncan pretty clearly fits into the "Overt actions indicating resentment to a call" camp. He had already been warned once and still continued. Players and coaches get two quick technicals and ejected all the time -- when the first technical isn't enough of a detractor to get the person to change their behavior.

I think Joey had a quick hook because he thought Duncan was planning on complaining and "indicating resentment" the rest of the game, and figured he'd get rid of the distraction.

Dude what is he supposed to do? Sit there stone-faced the entire game, not showing any emotion whatsoever so he can avoid being singled out? Gimmie a break. And how can laughing be a resentment towards a call, did Joey know that Tim was laughing at him from all the way on the other side of the court? Joey must have super mind reading powers or something to be able to pull that off.

[txmed]

I think Duncan pretty clearly fits into the "Overt actions indicating resentment to a call" camp. He had already been warned once and still continued. Players and coaches get two quick technicals and ejected all the time -- when the first technical isn't enough of a detractor to get the person to change their behavior.

I think Joey had a quick hook because he thought Duncan was planning on complaining and "indicating resentment" the rest of the game, and figured he'd get rid of the distraction.

Not only is it ridiculous to grant referees such leeway in assigning motives to otherwise guiltless actions (such as laughing), but now you want to give Crawford the power to act based on what his crystal ball tells him?

You think he threw Duncan out because he thought he was going to keep complaining?

While the evidence doesn't support that version of events, the fact you even seem okay with Joey Crawford imagining he can look into the future and base his actions off of what he thinks might happen is scary!

[cheguevara]

I think Duncan pretty clearly fits into the "Overt actions indicating resentment to a call" camp. He had already been warned once and still continued. Players and coaches get two quick technicals and ejected all the time -- when the first technical isn't enough of a detractor to get the person to change their behavior.

I think Joey had a quick hook because he thought Duncan was planning on complaining and "indicating resentment" the rest of the game, and figured he'd get rid of the distraction.

what's up with all the half assed assumptions from Mavfans? how the do you know what really happened?

and duncan did not get a warning. the 1st T is not a warning.

it's unbeleivable that mav fans are actually defending that nut.

[I love Tony Parker]

I think in a situation like this tha other refs should be able to step up or Ronny Nunn should have be called up on this or something!!! what if this game was really important to us or it was tha playoffs or something and cost us tha championship? Im not saying anytime a player dosent agree with a call or a T Im saying if you have a player who isnt a trouble maker like TD or any of tha Spurs for that matter get ejected for laughing I think someone higher up or all tha refs should get together and atleast agree on tha damn call!! We have all this technology and it should be PUT TO GOOD USE!!!

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Duncan should have punched Crawford in the nuts, then the Mavs fans would be defending him.

[monosylab1k]

Duncan should have punched Crawford in the nuts, then the Mavs fans would be defending him.

Crawford should have kicked Duncan in the back, then the Spurs fans would be defending him.

[DaMavs02]

I must admit, I'm a bit confused how being given a technical for complaining from the bench while the game's proceeding isn't being given a warning to not complain any more from the bench while the game's proceeding.

Joey Crawford is crazy. Everyone in the league knows that. Duncan's postgame comments make it look like Duncan definitely has a grudge against Crawford from his last technical, and he should be smart enough to realize not to push a crazy ref if he wants to stay in the game.

[DarrinS]

it's definitely alot more likely that crawford wanted to literally fight duncan. the guy is a madman.

You'd be mad too if you looked like Ned Beatty.

[Kermit]

Crawford should have kicked Duncan in the back, then the Spurs fans would be defending him.

duncan should've kicked an excercise bike. then the mavericks fans would be defending him.

sorry. i couldn't resist.

[FromWayDowntown]

Joey Crawford is crazy. Everyone in the league knows that. Duncan's postgame comments make it look like Duncan definitely has a grudge against Crawford from his last technical, and he should be smart enough to realize not to push a crazy ref if he wants to stay in the game.

That's a rather unique view of the situation.

I still maintain that Joey was looking for a basis to run Tim yesterday. Given the cir stances, that's the thing that makes the most sense to me. And that, to me, suggests that Tim's comments concerning vendettas and personal issues are quite understandable.

Besides, isn't it at least somewhat reasonable to think that perhaps Crawford provoked Duncan? I'm not going to defend Tim's conduct, except to say that it is an exceptional situation for a player to be ejected for something as innocuous as laughing -- particularly from a nationally televised game like that one.

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Crawford should have kicked Duncan in the back, then the Spurs fans would be defending him.

Since the kicking incident happened two months before you signed onto this board, I'll forgive you for being completely wrong about that.

[Bandwagon Bill]

This just in...

Gene Wojo the Joto.

[monosylab1k]

Since the kicking incident happened two months before you signed onto this board, I'll forgive you for being completely wrong about that.

people were debating about it just last week. lots of excuses for bowen.

[txmed]

people were debating about it just last week. lots of excuses for bowen.

I, a Spurs fan, think Bruce Bowen should've been ejected from that game.

But what happened last year in no way changes how Crawford's jackassery should be dealt with by the league or the fact that Duncan's actions/comments, when considering his punishment, should be mediated by...well, the aforementioned Crawford jackassery.