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Mitc deserved the award . Period
What a shame, first Mitc got coach of the year, then this crap.
THe media has always screwed up on DPoY, Alvin Roberston in 86? Wallace last year? Mutombo? As you can notice, these are all stats based.
Dumars didn't get the award until Jordan said he was the best defenders, the voters are nothing but a bunch of lemmings.
Mitc deserved the award . Period
NBA.COM and ESPN.COM haven't mentioned the DPOY award yet
Isn't Timmy more popular than Camby? Or, does it have anything to do with averaging more rebounds, more steals and more blocks per game? The only reason Camby hasn't won in the past is games missed. He is the best defensive player in the league.
How many Raptors game have you watched this year?
Very interesting to me that the best defensive player in the league will be guarding Francisco Elson and Fabricio Oberto tonight instead of Tim Duncan.
It's all about matchups. Timmy has problems with Nene, who is more expendible by the way, and that allows Marcus to float and double when necessary. Afterall, its not like he will actually have to guard Elson or Oberto. If this series comes down to my Nugs getting beat by those two, then things are much more hopeless than they appear.
The best defensive player doesn't always cover the best offensive weapon on the other team. Would Marcus cover Ben Gordon if we were playing the Bulls?
I was going to ask you the same question
That's a poor comparison. Ben Gordon is a guard.
Camby's a good help defender, no question. But Marcus Camby doesn't spend 30-35 minutes per game guarding the likes of Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, and even players out of his position like Chris Bosh.
Given that I live in Toronto, I am going to guess a lot more than you.
The best defensive player doesn't always cover the best offensive weapon on the other team
Bruce bowen is the best defensive player, and he ALWAYS covers the best offensive weapon.
So.
Wrongo Chicken Nugget fan.
Is that really true? Does he ALWAYS cover the best offensive weapon, irreguardless of any cir stance? Every minute Brucey is on the court, he automatically will cover whatever offensive weapon he feels is the biggest threat?
Perhaps he is an anomoly, able to equally guard Yao Ming one night and spud web the next, but in every other NBA city, coaches spend hours watching film looking for the best matchup scenerio, that which gives their team overall advantages.
Allowing Marcus to more freely roam, create havoc, block shots, get rebounds, keep possesions alive, draw defenders out, etc. This is his game, and obviously it works. A good coach will recognize advantageous matchups, not nearly as black and white as you suggest.
Bowen's best chance to win was last year. It ain't happening now. Hopefully this lights a fire under him and Timmy though.
No, its a perfect comparison. My point exactly, it would be stupid for Denver to have Camby guard Gordon, that would be a very poor matchup for us. Bruce is a teriffic defender, able to get in someones hip pocket and challenge shots, get on their nerves. Isn't that what defense is supposed to do? But, isn't rebounding, blocks and steals also a part of the defensive game? It's not like Camby doesn't expend any energy guarding his player AND guarding the paint against every other player as well. It would be hard to argue against either Bruce or Marcus, but I am very happy (if its true) to see Marcus finally get his due.
Voting committee gets hard-ons for weak-side blocks.
Not sure about that. Are you able to back this up using the last 5 DPOY recipients along with links supporting it?
But it wouldn't be a bad matchup for Camby to guard Duncan, would it? They basically play the same position.No, its a perfect comparison. My point exactly, it would be stupid for Denver to have Camby guard Gordon, that would be a very poor matchup for us.
You would have to go waaaaaay back to find a DPoY who doesn't have the necessary "defensive stats".
http://basketball-reference.com/awards/dpoy.html
As you can see, the last 5 DPoY were won by Ben Wallace 4 times, and Ron Artest once. Wallace was one of the best shot blockers, and Artest one of the best thiefs, and it took Carlisle's relentless pimping to get him that award.
The five years before that? 3 Mutombos and 2 Mournings, and the ones before that was Robinson, two Hakeems, Dikembe and Payton, again, all leading shotblockers (thief in Payton's case).
In fact, in 23 years, only Rodman, Cooper and Moncrief were the DPoY that doesn't rank amongst the league leaders in at least one defensive stats in the years they won the award.
I am not saying those DPoY who have the stats are not necessary good defenders, because I think Mourning, Robinson, Hakeem and the Glove were truly exceptional defenders, I can't say the same for Mutombo, last year's Wallace, or Camby.
Blah...this takes me back to the 90's, specifically '94 and '95, where I had to watch my favorite player (Pippen) get robbed of DPOY in favor of a shot blocker. Not only did Pippen guard the best player night after night (anywhere from the PG to the PF) he also lead the league in steals and averaged a block a game. All that while still running the point dishing 5+ assists, scoring 20+ and grabbing 8-9 boards. And then seeing Payton get DPOY (while doing far less) in '96 made me ill.
No, it wouldn't be a bad matchup at all. But for the Nuggets probable game plan, it would be a better overall plan to completely free Marcus to patrol the paint, help on weakside and keep the glass clean while allowing a now healthy and stronger Nene to keep Timmy in check. Matchups, matchups, matchups. Marcus doesn't have to prove anything to anybody by guarding Tim Duncan, its not like he will be hiding anywhere tonight.
Bowen didnt deserve it this year... I thought it was between Duncan and Camby
Those shot blockers were straight up, in your face post defenders. I seriously doubt there is any bias toward a weakside shot blocker for this award. For 60+ games this year, before Denver started playing any D at all, Camby guarded the paint alone, kept them in the hunt and has the ability to take over games. It's very difficult to quantify the difference a truley great shot blocker can make in a game, (mostly due to the fact that people will not challenge as much) but he changes everything. Throw in 12 boards, a couple of steals and a great outlet passing ability to kickstart fast breaks, and it is very difficult to argue against this pick. And it particular, its shameful to suggest that Camby is not an exceptional defensive player.
He won 3 actually and he deserved them all.
It looks like Bruce will never get it!
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