Official SpursTalk Comprehensive Alternative 9/11 Theory Thread

[Cant_Be_Faded]

That leads to asking the who/what/where/when and why of those explosives. Provide answers or even guesses to those questions, and you'll have a theory.

Bull , you don't need to have all those to have a theory, maybe to satisify your curiousity, but not to have a theory.

How can anyone here on spurstalk possibly have all the facts to compose such a theory....however, we can read general statements from various sources and some of us can come to the conclusion that the towers falling because of fire was total BS,

once again
you either completely totally completely totally believe the 9/11 commission report, or you dont, in which case you're asking all of those people for a theory comparable to that one
which is impossible
you and everyone in this thread knows it before even opening it

we can tell you what we think but neither you nor i nor yonivore nor nbadan conducted the scientific research or did the interviewing to draw a vice tight theory


My opinion is that it was mostly al-qaeda or some terrorist organization, they somehow had connections and the amazing planning capability to store explosives either in the plane or the tower or both, the very fact that they were able to do that suggests either some us citizen involvement or even better infiltration by terrorists into the u.s. than we thought

so that's who, what, where, and we all know when, the why would blatantly be to make them towers come down

so theres your theory

[ChumpDumper]

Bull , you don't need to have all those to have a theory, maybe to satisify your curiousity, but not to have a theory.

So you just stopped right there at explosives, and never gave any thought to going any further?

How can anyone here on spurstalk possibly have all the facts to compose such a theory.

Note I said you could guess.

however, we can read general statements from various sources and some of us can come to the conclusion that the towers falling because of fire was total BS

And you can read other sources and some of us can come to the conclusion that it's quite believeable -- and the fact that it is part of a larger theory makes it all the more believeable.

once again
you either completely totally completely totally believe the 9/11 commission report, or you dont, in which case you're asking all of those people for a theory comparable to that one

I don't totally believe the 9/11 Commission Report. Neither does ES. We just said so.

in which case you're asking all of those people for a theory comparable to that one

No, I'm asking people what they think really happened on 9/11. If you're saying you never even thought to speculate about who planted the explosives you claim brought down the buildings, I'm inclined not to believe it.

we can tell you what we think but neither you nor i nor yonivore nor nbadan conducted the scientific research or did the interviewing to draw a vice tight theory

So we're all equal then. Why won't you tell us what you think?

[ChumpDumper]

My opinion is that it was mostly al-qaeda or some terrorist organization, they somehow had connections and the amazing planning capability to store explosives either in the plane or the tower or both, the very fact that they were able to do that suggests either some us citizen involvement or even better infiltration by terrorists into the u.s. than we thought

Now was that so hard? Why were you holding this back?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Now was that so hard? Why were you holding this back?

Because its not a theory, not a good one anyways.

Nothing that ever comes from my brain alone on this message forum will ever truely resemble a rock solid coherent theory that is believeable to people who already buy the bulk of the 9/11 report, because (obviously) i haven't all the facts, im sure i could get more if i reserached more into it, but its pointless. what would it solve? The majority seem to be on your side, believing mostly what we are told to believe. Cool, im not playing that 'sheeple' crap anymore, but i just dont buy it.


My main bit about 9/11 (before saying alot of the report was bull and i thought they were brought down by explosives) was that they are holding back information from us
i see holes in the official story
i dont see the rubble pictures from the buildings and believe fire brought this multi million dollar construction breakthrough crumbling down. i just dont.
And I never will. My opinion is my opinion and would change if and when we get more information about what happened on the day them towers came crumbling down.

I know you've answered this question before, but regarding what you don't believe about the 9/11 commission report, could you really provide a tight theory explaining your opinion on those parts of it?
Then wouldn't the evaluation of the validity of such a theory be wide open to scrutinization, some being satisified, some saying its not good enough? Thats why i sense from you in this thread, i think even if one of us was a hardcore tin foil dude like you think we are, and cared enough to pour hours and hours into research and writing for a theory, that its still possible you would not be satisfied
its without point
pointless

like someone else said its been 5 years, noones gonna change their mind at this point on what happened unless we get some new breakthrough of information

[ChumpDumper]

I know you've answered this question before, but regarding what you don't believe about the 9/11 commission report, could you really provide a tight theory explaining your opinion on those parts of it?

Well, yes -- mainly because my disagreements with the 9/11 Commission Report don't have anything to do with the attack itself or the mechanics of falling buildings. It has to do more with the Bush and Clinton administrations' handling of the issue of terror and a few specific incidents concerning that which are pretty well-do ented outside of the Commission Report.

Then wouldn't the evaluation of the validity of such a theory be wide open to scrutinization, some being satisified, some saying its not good enough?

Absolutely. I'd be a little concerned if everyone on this board agreed with me.

Thats why i sense from you in this thread, i think even if one of us was a hardcore tin foil dude like you think we are, and cared enough to pour hours and hours into research and writing for a theory, that its still possible you would not be satisified
its without point
pointless

like someone else said its been 5 years, noones gonna change their mind at this point on what happened unless we get some new breakthrough of information

I'd argue that the number of minds that have been changed on any issue here in that last five years could probably be counted on one hand.

While I disagree with it, you have actually proven you aren't a nutjob by actually stating your theory, which isn't as completely outlandish as some of us might have been thikning it would be. If you really cared to research it further, I think I you might end up changing your theory -- but if you don't see any point in doing so, that's fine too -- though I don't see why you would need to disparage anyone for doing so.

I don't see any of the above as a bad thing. Ultimtely I like knowing where people stand on an issue, and that's been pretty hazy in this case. Does it really matter? Probably not -- in that case, my questioning should just be ignored -- but if anyone chooses to continue challenging the generally accepted theory of 9/11, they should expect me to ask them what they think really happened again.

[gtownspur]

CbF in the same camp with mookie and elpimpo.

Why am I not surprised?

They're from Vic ia Texas, that's why.

[mookie2001]

smeagol wouldnt like it there, everyone has guns and the gun shows we have every week make it so easy to buy guns

[smeagol]

smeagol wouldnt like it there, everyone has guns and the gun shows we have every week make it so easy to buy guns

You are probably right.

The sight would make me puke.

[RandomGuy]

Bull , you don't need to have all those to have a theory, maybe to satisify your curiousity, but not to have a theory.

How can anyone here on spurstalk possibly have all the facts to compose such a theory....however, we can read general statements from various sources and some of us can come to the conclusion that the towers falling because of fire was total BS,

once again
you either completely totally completely totally believe the 9/11 commission report, or you dont, in which case you're asking all of those people for a theory comparable to that one
which is impossible
you and everyone in this thread knows it before even opening it

we can tell you what we think but neither you nor i nor yonivore nor nbadan conducted the scientific research or did the interviewing to draw a vice tight theory


My opinion is that it was mostly al-qaeda or some terrorist organization, they somehow had connections and the amazing planning capability to store explosives either in the plane or the tower or both, the very fact that they were able to do that suggests either some us citizen involvement or even better infiltration by terrorists into the u.s. than we thought

so that's who, what, where, and we all know when, the why would blatantly be to make them towers come down

so theres your theory

There were no explosives. Explosives were not needed.

[man chowder]

Can we post GIFs?

[ChumpDumper]

Comprehensive GIFs.

[sabar]

The conspiracy isn't born from a search of truth; it's born from political bias.

Thought experiment.

If liberals were in control of the U.S. and 9/11 happened EXACTLY the same way, would the same people believe what they do now?

Of course not, this fact alone is what makes conspiracy theory so weak. Look at all the conspiracy theories over the years of human history. I only know of TWO that were ever proven true.

[mookie2001]

^yes this is one thing moderate liberals, extreme liberals, independents, true conservatives and libertarians have come together on

only group ive never heard any alternative theories from are neocons

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

^yes this is one thing moderate liberals, extreme liberals, independents, true conservatives and libertarians have come together on

only group ive never heard any alternative theories from are neocons

??????

I have multiple family members that are straight party ticket Democrats, and they even laugh at the conspiracy theorists.

I guess they're not really liberals though, they just say liberal things and vote straight liberal ticket to cover up the fact they're really neocons

And you wonder why people laugh at your conspiracy theories...

My opinion is that it was mostly al-qaeda or some terrorist organization, they somehow had connections and the amazing planning capability to store explosives either in the plane or the tower or both, the very fact that they were able to do that suggests either some us citizen involvement or even better infiltration by terrorists into the u.s. than we thought

It's great to see that you actaully quit dodging Chump and posted something, though I'd love to hear more about these mythical explosives that can survive the impact of a jumbo jet flying into a building at full speed, disperse themselves through the various floors of the WTC, and properly detonate in a controlled explosion hours after the initial impact.

[smeagol]

Agree with Sabar. Look at our resident conspiracy theorists and you can figure out where they are coming from and the agenda they bring with them.

[mookie2001]

who me? I have said Clinton (along with bush 1 and reagan) could have caught bin laden a while ago, I am supporting a Republican for president, 100% closed borders, and have recently been scoffing YOU over gun control

[mookie2001]

but I hate Bush and war without end

thats an agenda

[RandomGuy]

it not specific because i dont know any more than you about WHO and HOW it was done, I called for an open investigation

also like 200 times ive said the 911 Commission Report was a joke, a farce, a sham, bull

The 911 COMMISSION REPORT is the OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT STORY ON 9/11, we have nothing else to go by but that

EVERYTHING else is just youtube links and random educated peoples opinions. "theories"

ANY other theory, is considered AN ALTERNATIVE THEORY, to answer my question

even wondering about things, LEFT OUT, DISMISSED, OMMITTED, from the report, makes someone a "conspiracy theorist"


look at what youve come to


-nobody cares about wtc7 because no one died

-it happened 5 years ago

-give us a theory!, dan, mookie, mouse!

I believe that people covered their asses when talking to the 9-11 commission, and in that sense it probably didn't get at all the indecision and incompetance.

BUT

Having read most of it, as most people have NOT, I have concluded that it probably isn't too far off.

In THAT, I will always out-fact a lot of people who say it was a total fake, because I at least KNOW what it really says, instead of having bits of it spoon-fed to me by people out to prove a point.

[RandomGuy]

who me? I have said Clinton (along with bush 1 and reagan) could have caught bin laden a while ago, I am supporting a Republican for president, 100% closed borders, and have recently been scoffing YOU over gun control

Bin Laden was not much of a priority before 9-11, and the farther you go back in time, the less of a priority he was. Find an article about him that dates back to Reagan's presidency. Go ahead, I'll wait.

[mookie2001]

we funded him, trained him and provided him with weapons

[RandomGuy]

but I hate Bush and war without end

thats an agenda

I would agree. This is not so much a "war" as a struggle against a murderous ideology.

You don't counter ideology with force, that just validates it.

You fight ideas with ideas, and THAT is something that the conservadrones SUCK at.

[RandomGuy]

we funded him, trained him and provided him with weapons

... in the 1970's. Before he was disowned by his rich family we didn't really fund him directly. We funded him as we did all the mujahadeen in Afghanistan.

He was just another dude with a beard as far as we were concerned until about 1995.

[boutons_]

OBL was not apparently "just another dude" to Clinton's security people, or they wouldn't have bothered to shoot at him with several $Ms of cruise missles.

Did Clinton's people criminally burn all their files on OBL before 20 Jan 2001? Or did Condi simply refuse to study the OBL files and take up the security watch?

Neither Condi or any other Repug has listed ANY Repub anti-terrorist actions between 20 Jan 2001 and 9/11.

Do you think that is because they are trying to hide their anti-terrorist actions or because they didn't take any actions?

[dallaskd]

Thats a long le..

[xrayzebra]

Just wondering, can someone accept the theory of a person that
was there when it all happened, watched the planes fly into
the building, witness the people jumping, seeing the results and
watch the buildings fall and run like with no shoes and pick
the glass out of their feet. Just checking.