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I would rather see Kobe get another ring before Jason Terry or Mark Cuban ever got to kiss that trophy.
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I would rather see Kobe get another ring before Jason Terry or Mark Cuban ever got to kiss that trophy.
LMAO at anybody who thinks this is a real Mavs fan or that diehard Maverick fans have anything to apologize for. If "mavschick" is indeed a Mavs fan, I'm sure she has a pink #41 jersey, and she isn't familiar with the terms Aguirre, Blackman, Tarpley, Donaldson, 11 wins, Toni Braxton and the Three J's, Moody Madness, Reunion Rowdies, Don Carter, the shorthats logo, etc...
All she's saying is, most Mavs fans have talked alot of . And look what happened, you're team choked.
Not disputing any of that. But she said "Mavs fans" are a disgrace, not "bandwagon" Mavs fans, or "arrogant" Mavs fans, just painting with a broad brush. I have a great deal of respect for the Spurs and other elite franchises. I refuse to be lumped in with bandwagoners or 14 year old girls with pink Josh Howard jerseys.
Well in her original post she does elaborate on which ones she is talking about. But yeah, not all of you were bad.
Every fanbase has its share of idiots. Do you want to claim Spursdynasty?
I just wonder if she recognizes the names of Walter Bond and Terry Davis, or any other members of the 11-win juggernaut that was the 92-93 Dallas Mavericks? As bad as the last 11 months have been for Maverick fans, I don't know that I want to go back to that.
Your's more than most though, alot of you came and talked your and lost. I post on a Mavs board, and those guys are pretty cool. But all that talking pissed off alot of people here. I liked the Mavericks before last season. Not because you beat us but the way the fans handled it.Every fanbase has its share of idiots. Do you want to claim Spursdynasty?
And cause Cuban slammed my town.
I think the Mavericks have more than their share of bandwagoners than most, and that's because nobody gave a about this team until Cuban bought it and started spending money to field a contender. The fanbase we have is still maturing and has a lot of growing up to do. , if there had been internet message boards during the Aguirre/Blackman era, I probably would talk a lot more than I do now. And while overall Cuban has been a godsend for this franchise, he's an arrogant son of a , and a lot of fans take their cue from him. Cuban's biggest strength (his confidence and his creative thinking) is also his biggest weakness (he thinks his doesn't stink and he has no humility).
Yet another Mavs fan that completely fails to know his own team's history. Funny that you spout names from history without even knowing that the Mavs were in playoff contention, the big 3 intact, when Cuban bought the team. The only reason the Mavericks missed the playoffs that year is because Mr. Godsend signed Dennis Rodman to try to sell tickets.
Any Mavs fan that fails to acknowledge the unusually high percentage of jackass bandwagon fans is probably a jackass bandwagon fan themselves. I say that, noting that Mr. Findog did acknowledge exactly that.
thats true. after the strike shortened season (99?) we had a 40 win season and Cuban ed it up in the middle of the year when he became owner and bought Rodman to try and gain more interest
Yet another Mavs fan that completely fails to know his own team's history. Funny that you spout names from history without even knowing that the Mavs were in playoff contention, the big 3 intact, when Cuban bought the team. The only reason the Mavericks missed the playoffs that year is because Mr. Godsend signed Dennis Rodman to try to sell tickets.
I think I'll make another username...perhaps "SpursGuy"... and post about how classless Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, and the city of SA are.
That'd make my claims more valid. Right?
i really dont get why everyone says the mavs choked in this series...they never had a lead in the series so there was no lead to choke away...last year's finals was a choke...but the mavs were just outplayed in this series
Yet another Mavs fan that completely fails to know his own team's history. Funny that you spout names from history without even knowing that the Mavs were in playoff contention, the big 3 intact, when Cuban bought the team.
The Mavs were 10-24 into the 99-00 season with Nellie as coach, and Finley, Nash and Dirk on the roster when the sale was finalized. They finished 40-42, going 30-16 the rest of the way with Cuban as owner. Does 10-24 strike you as 'being in playoff contention'? And where did I fail to acknowledge those pieces were in place when Cuban bought the team? I'm sure even you know how to use google, go look it up.
It's true that they would've briefly become a contender anyway if Ross Perot Jr. had continued to own the team, but Cuban has been willing to pay the luxury tax, something Perot Jr. didn't want to do. I also doubt Perot Jr would've resigned Finley or given Dirk a max deal. Don't ever accuse me of failing to know my team's history. With all due respect, you don't know what the you're talking about, so it's doubly ironic that you think you can "school" a hard-core diehard Mavs fan about his own team's history. I tell you what, I won't lecture you about the Spurs and you can keep your mouth shut about the Mavs.
Now please, let's get back to a retort along the lines of "three rings" or "chokers." I don't have a comeback for that. "Mavs fan owner" is meant to be sarcastic, no?
Last edited by Findog; 05-06-2007 at 07:55 PM.
No, not true. Cuban bought the team early during the 99-00 season. We were 10-24 when the sale was finalized. We finished 40-42 after he took over. I'm not crediting him personally for the 30-16 turnaround, but my original point was that Cuban has been willing to spend money to field a contender...we're second in payroll and we're firmly in luxury tax territory. So not only is Obstructed View wrong on the facts, he just wants to knock down a strawman. "Mavericks fan owner" my ass.thats true. after the strike shortened season (99?) we had a 40 win season and Cuban ed it up in the middle of the year when he became owner and bought Rodman to try and gain more interest
humility is in order from their team, their owner and their fans ...... wow what a shame..... maybe now instead of making fun of and disgracing other teams as the intro to home games the can show some respect and keep it real...possibly doing like other nba teams ;;showing mavs (home team )at their greatest..... (one of the many things that bothered me as a fan)
JOHN 8
8:7 So when they continued asking him,He lifted up him self and said unto them "He that is without sin among you,let him first cast a stone at her
What in the are you talking about? The Mavs do no such thing at the intro to their home games.
Unless you think music by The Who disgraces other teams.
As for your general point, Spurs fans are just as arrogant, if not more so. It's pretty comical every time a Spurs fans calls out the Mavs for "being arrogant" and then immediately follows that statement with "THREE RINGS, !".
we get it, let the thread die
mavs fans: mavschick is either 1. not a mavs fan or 2. a spurs fan
spurs fans: mavschicks is the greatest thing since sliced bread
Arrogance is telling me I don't know my team's history, while being wrong on the facts. I'll be honest, I don't know if you guys signed Terry mings as a free agent or traded to get him from Milwaukee...or who exactly was your sixth man for the 96-97 season, Chuck Person or Jaren Jackson. There's some great Spurs fans on this board, but there's also some arrogant people as well.What in the are you talking about? The Mavs do no such thing at the intro to their home games.
Unless you think music by The Who disgraces other teams.
As for your general point, Spurs fans are just as arrogant, if not more so. It's pretty comical every time a Spurs fans calls out the Mavs for "being arrogant" and then immediately follows that statement with "THREE RINGS, !".
right, because i've never seen the coyote mascote kicking a *mavs* fan stand-in in the rear and pwning him every which way to sunday on the court during timeouts
agree. yeah, which 'mavschick' fan has the guts to post a thread and own the dallas mavs and the organization? i dont know, i'm not falling for it. if she is a mavs fan, uh thumbs up then, i guess.
we get it, let the thread die
mavs fans: mavschick is either 1. not a mavs fan or 2. a spurs fan
spurs fans: mavschicks is the greatest thing since sliced bread
Just because Cuban took on and paid out huge contracts, and was willing to pay them, including Finley's (which he's still paying for UIM), doesn't make the team any better. The personnel decisions made by the Nelsons were what carried the team through the '99-00 season; the team was indeed 10-24 on the day Cuban took ownership, but the team was in playoff contention the year he bought the team. Since you keep pointing that out, it sounds to me like you're crediting Cuban for the 30-16 turnaround. Since you are doing that, it seems like you'd be willing to credit him for the Rodman signing, which disrupted team chemistry, caused a rift between Cuban and Nelson and absolutely was the reason the team missed the playoffs. Again, this is despite your attempts to split hairs about the record on the exact date he took ownership.No, not true. Cuban bought the team early during the 99-00 season. We were 10-24 when the sale was finalized. We finished 40-42 after he took over. I'm not crediting him personally for the 30-16 turnaround, but my original point was that Cuban has been willing to spend money to field a contender...we're second in payroll and we're firmly in luxury tax territory. So not only is Obstructed View wrong on the facts, he just wants to knock down a strawman. "Mavericks fan owner" my ass.
If his contribution was, as you say, in his willingness to exceed the salary cap and re-sign players, I'm not sure how you think he could accomplish that within the first three months of owning the team.
If all Cuban did was sign checks, I agree that he might have been an improvement over Perot, but he didn't. He insisted on having a hand in personnel decisions. In addition to the Rodman debacle, thee were trades every single year, usually taking on big contracts, and re-signing players that Don Nelson hated, Shawn Bradley for example. In addition, he insisted on berating the officials, publicly making an ass of himself, and he worked feverishly to get the rules changed to further favor the offense in an attempt to get around the Spurs. In another show of karma, those very rule changes were used in the Finals to bounce his team in six games.
Thanks. I'll be here all your life.
It was a series they were supposed to win, hence the choke label since it didn't happen. This makes the fact that they never had control of it even more pathetic.
Agreed. There have been good and bad personnel decisions. Finley's contract is ridiculous now, but it was a young up and coming team, and its best player AT THE TIME was a free agent, and he happened to be drawing interest from a team 300 miles to the south that we were trying to surpass. Letting Nash walk is a 20/20 hindsight horrible mistake, but AT THE TIME he was 31 years old, had a history of not being durable and he had been owned repeatedly by Tony Parker and Mike Bibby in the playoffs. Trading Antawn Jamison for BOTH Devin Harris and Jerry Stackhouse was a GOOD move. Trading Juwan Howard and his monster contract for Nick Van Exel was a good move. Trading Van Exel when his stock was at its highest was a good move. Unloading Raef LaFrentz and his horrible contract for Walker and then using Walker as trade bait for Terry were good moves. Cuban is passionate and wants to win, and there are going to be missteps along the way, but he is the person who ultimately signs off on these deals that Donnie brings to his desks. If you want to criticize him for decisions that Donnie made by proxy that didn't work out, you have to credit him for the decisions that did turn out well. The point is that Ross Perot Jr was not the kind of owner who brought the same day to day passion and changed the culture of this franchise.Just because Cuban took on and paid out huge contracts, and was willing to pay them, including Finley's (which he's still paying for UIM), doesn't make the team any better.
That was never my argument. When Cuban took over, it was a big deal, it was not Perot Jr selling the team to some corporate conglomerate. At the time that there was a day to day energy that had been missing, crowds came back to Reunion Arena, and the 99-00 team fed off all of the positive energy that Cuban brought. If you don't believe that, do you think the Warriors didn't benefit from the Oracle turning into a prison riot when the Mavericks came to town? Same roster, much different results. Guys cared more and weren't playing out the string.If his contribution was, as you say, in his willingness to exceed the salary cap and re-sign players, I'm not sure how you think he could accomplish that within the first three months of owning the team.
Sometimes it's worked out, sometimes it hasn't. Cuban's far from perfect, and I think a lot of his antics have hurt this team. But the franchise's record speaks for itself since he took over, and we've gone further with Avery than we ever did with Don Nelson. We're making steady progress towards a le, and we'll get there eventually. The Mavericks are a franchise committed to winning, which you can't say about a good two-thirds of the teams in the league.If all Cuban did was sign checks, I agree that he might have been an improvement over Perot, but he didn't. He insisted on having a hand in personnel decisions.
Like I said, some of those moves were good, some not so good. I would prefer an owner that is not willing to stand pat. When you compare what this team had in terms of a nucleus and how close it was to a le to where it is today, it's light years difference. If we had stood pat and kept the 99-00 team as intact as possible, we wouldn't be that great today. Steve Nash is in a system in Phoenix that has maximized his strengths and minimized his weaknesses. People forget we've gone farther without him than we ever did with him, and if he was still here, he'd still be a borderline All-Star, not a two-time MVP. Michael Finley would be an overrated aging starting two-guard, not a valuable role player on a championship team for San Antonio. Life is not static and neither is basketball. Some of our personnel decisions have been poor and some have worked out great. I'll take Cuban over Perot Jr anyday. As for Shawn Bradley, he was Don Nelson's pet project for years. He didn't give up on him until sometime midway through the 01-02 season.In addition to the Rodman debacle, thee were trades every single year, usually taking on big contracts, and re-signing players that Don Nelson hated, Shawn Bradley for example.
Agreed that he's a know it all that could learn some humility, but I'll take him with his faults over Perot Jr. Peter Holt doesn't own my team. I'll take the next-best thing. And your franchise's success owes far more to lucky ping-pong balls that having a stable, basketball-savvy management in place.In addition, he insisted on berating the officials, publicly making an ass of himself, and he worked feverishly to get the rules changed to further favor the offense in an attempt to get around the Spurs. In another show of karma, those very rule changes were used in the Finals to bounce his team in six games.
I'm not splitting hairs, I'm pointing out facts. They were 10-24 and going nowhere when the sale was finalized. They took off immediately afterwards. Part of that was crowds coming back, players getting taken care of better in terms of posh treatment in the lockerroom, etc. You said they were in playoff contention when Cuban bought the team. That's not true. You then amended your statement to say that they were in playoff contention the season they bought the team. THAT is true. And you created a strawman argument claiming I didn't know my team's history so you could set up that statement.Again, this is despite your attempts to split hairs about the record on the exact date he took ownership.
Last edited by Findog; 05-06-2007 at 11:44 PM.
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