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    My point is that Nelly is a great coach....
    Correction, Nellie is a great underdog coach. He's the master of winning series he's not supposed to win by exploiting weaknesses.

    However, he's not a guy you want to be coaching a great team. No matter how good a team is, he'll eventually find a way to lose with it. The same craziness that allows him to pull upsets is the same craziness that allows his teams to be upset so much over the years.

    Give Nellie the 70-win Bulls and he would have found a way to lose in the playoffs. But then again, give Nellie the 2007 Denver Nuggets and he might have found a way to beat the Spurs.

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    Raise your hand if you were salivating to play the Mavs in the playoffs again this year...be honest.

    Unless you think GS has a better team than the Spurs, that pit in your stomach at that thought likely had more to do with AJ's ownership of Pop last season than it does the Spurs players....

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    All this team needed and needs to be one of the best small ball teams in history is a tall small forward who can defend and grab some boards. It is a failure of the front office and coaching staff to choose not to even attempt to develop one since the departure of Hedo.

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    Correction, Nellie is a great underdog coach. He's the master of winning series he's not supposed to win by exploiting weaknesses.

    However, he's not a guy you want to be coaching a great team. No matter how good a team is, he'll eventually find a way to lose with it. The same craziness that allows him to pull upsets is the same craziness that allows his teams to be upset so much over the years.

    Give Nellie the 70-win Bulls and he would have found a way to lose in the playoffs. But then again, give Nellie the 2007 Denver Nuggets and he might have found a way to beat the Spurs.

    How many times have you seen Nelly lose to an inferior team?


    And GS turned to crap when he left.

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    All this team needed and needs to be one of the best small ball teams in history is a tall small forward who can defend and grab some boards. It is a failure of the front office and coaching staff to choose not to even attempt to develop one since the departure of Hedo.
    Exactly.

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    All this team needed and needs to be one of the best small ball teams in history is a tall small forward who can defend and grab some boards. It is a failure of the front office and coaching staff to choose not to even attempt to develop one since the departure of Hedo.
    Damn...

    I wish I knew if you were being sarcastic or not...

    If you aren't...great take. If you are... you.

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    True...if only Pop had more pull with the Spurs FO...his coaching wouldn't be held back.

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    Correction, Nellie is a great underdog coach. He's the master of winning series he's not supposed to win by exploiting weaknesses.

    However, he's not a guy you want to be coaching a great team. No matter how good a team is, he'll eventually find a way to lose with it. The same craziness that allows him to pull upsets is the same craziness that allows his teams to be upset so much over the years.

    Give Nellie the 70-win Bulls and he would have found a way to lose in the playoffs. But then again, give Nellie the 2007 Denver Nuggets and he might have found a way to beat the Spurs.
    A large part of that had to do with the fact that Nelson was with the Mavs for years and knew Dirk, AJ, and Del Harris, like the back of his hand. Other than this one upset he pulled I've never seen him pull another or maybe I was too young to remember.

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    How many times have you seen Nelly lose to an inferior team?
    Nelson made it to the playoffs four times with Golden State in his first tenure with them. In the two seasons where the Warriors won 44 and 43 games to back into the playoffs, they pulled historic upsets in the first round. The other two times the Warriors won 55 and 50 games and the Warriors lost both times in the first round, winning a combined one game in both series combined.

    Nellie is the master at being the underdog. If he's expected to win, he never comes through all the way. That's how the NBA's All-Time leader in wins has never even made it to the Finals as a coach.

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    It amazes me how people judge coaches without looking at what players they have.
    A playoff serie isn't a chess game between two coaches. In chess, both players start with the same pawns, not in a playoff serie. Spurs haven't lost against Mavs last year because Pop has been outcoached by avery but because mas were a bad matchup. If you had to blame someone, blame Pop as a GM, not as a coach.

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    1. Small Ball destroyed the Mavs. Nellie proved you can go small and have success, even if you get outrebounded by the Mavs.

    2. Nazr a no show. Spurs fans wanted Nazr to play last season. He's now in Detroit and didn't play a second in their first round series sweep. I guess Nazr isn't Baby Hakeem.

    3. Rasho benched. Sam Mitc played Rasho early on in the series against the Nets, but then benched him and ultimately gave Rasho a DNP-CD in Game 6. It's hard to blame Mitc , since Rasho had by far the worst per minute +/- of anybody on the Raptors when he did play.

    Perhaps Pop was right that small ball could work and that Nazr and Rasho just weren't right for the playoffs, as their new teams found out.

    Hmmmmmmm. . .
    It's not the small ball I have a problem with, it's the small ball with our personnel. Finley and Bowen aren't the rebounders that SJax and JRich are. Baron Davis had 10 rebounds the last game. Their smalls rebound a bit better than ours overall.

    Also, their defense is just a lot more gambling and aggressive. They seek to force turnovers and if they give up easy shots, they give up easy shots. Our defense kind of lays back and just tries to force misses.

    Finally, I think we play at too slow of a pace offensively to properly take advantage of smallball like Nellie does. Our need to go to Tim kind of negates the smallball offense. We just can't play that fast for 48 minutes, our guys are too old.

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    Nellie is someone who loves basketball and yet, is bored by it.

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    I was going to be nice and not post the numbers, but if you really want them that bad here you go:

    Plus/Minus Per Minute
    Mo Peterson: +.065
    Kris Humphries: +.029
    Jose Calderon: -.061
    Joey Graham: -.091
    Anthony Parker: -.108
    Chris Cash: -.130
    Andrea Bargnani: -.210
    TJ Ford: -.220
    Rasho Nesterovic: -.434

    Points Allowed Per 48 Minutes
    Kris Humphries: 87.0
    Joey Graham: 93.4
    Mo Peterson: 94.4
    Jose Calderon: 94.7
    Chris Bosh: 96.0
    Anthony Parker: 96.8
    TJ Ford: 99.2
    Andrea Bargnani: 99.7
    Rasho Nesterovic: 107.5

    Rasho was owned in the playoffs, bottomline. The team was literally twice as worse with him on the court than anyone else on the team. They gave up an amazing amount of points when he was on the court. No one was even in his same ballpark of inep ude in either category. There's a reason he played 2 minutes in Game 5 and zero in Game 6.

    Like I've said, Rasho is a very good regular season center. Put him on your team and he'll win you about five games you wouldn't have won without him. But for whatever reason, he's not good in the playoffs. Any sober person can conclude that from these stats.

    Apology Accepted.

    Too bad that a 63 win team went 8-5 in the playoffs, including getting beat by an inferior division rival, and it's all the fault of two guys who didn't play.

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    That's how the NBA's All-Time leader in wins has never even made it to the Finals as a coach.

    Lenny Wilkens hasn't made a finals?

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    Lenny Wilkens hasn't made a finals?
    Look again in two and a half seasons when Nellie is losing series with GS being the 4th seed.

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    All this team needed and needs to be one of the best small ball teams in history is a tall small forward who can defend and grab some boards. It is a failure of the front office and coaching staff to choose not to even attempt to develop one since the departure of Hedo.
    What happens if Sanikidze is that guy and Scola is good enough to start at the 4...?

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    Then fine, but they still didn't do anything in the meantime.

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