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    Yup, I think this was the pivotal moment in the game. It seemed we had them on the ropes, and the crowd was out of the game.
    However, as others have pointed out, we can't play TD every minute, right?

    Maybe we should have went with Horry over Oberto?
    Keep 2 bigs in. Elson-Horry, Elson-Obie
    But to go with Oberto as our dynamic stopper in the middle with 4 smalls.
    You saw the result. Gave momentum right back to them.

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    Suppose there never was an Aaron? aaronstampler's Avatar
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    Really? Then why doesn't he do it?

    He doesn't even get the ball. He doesn't have the freedom to go. He's basically been relegated in this offense to having to wait for that screen before he can go. It has to be like an official "play."

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    can we run one pick and roll? One back pick? One give and go? All we run is isolation plays or 4 down, it's ing stupid.
    That's what I am talking about! How 'bout somebody cutting down the lane or creeping along the baseline instead of parking out on the perimeter where the D can just relax and dare the Spurs to shoot!

    Better belive the Suns will bring this same recipe to the game on Sat!!!

    They can live with Tim going off while holding everyone else in check!

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    He doesn't even get the ball. He doesn't have the freedom to go. He's basically been relegated in this offense to having to wait for that screen before he can go. It has to be like an official "play."
    He doesn't have hte freedom to go? So Pop is telling him on these isolations to take step back jumpers and NOT go to the rack? He doesn't get touches? He managed to take 9 shots tonight which isn't exactly "not getting the ball".

    Your argument is ing stupid.

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    Ok, so he passes and the roller gets a layup. WTF is wrong with that? I'm not complaining about Manu creating off pick and rolls, I'm complaining about Manu settling for step back jumpers time and time again and NOT taking it to the hole.
    What time and again? He took 9 shots. 2 of those 9 were those step back things. 2 of the 9 were open threes off passes he just missed. He attempted 3 lay ups, one was "blocked" by Barbosa and the other one just missed.

    When you take only 9 shots, you can't say he "always" does one thing or "only" does one thing.

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    You can't win playing small ball when Phoenix rolls out Diaw, Amare, and Matrix, and sends Diaw down on the block with Barry on him every time.

    That's a stupid matchup, and I don't know why our crack defensive genius coach thinks it is.

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    HORRIBLE subs ution patterns

    way way too little of finley and horry

    vaughn has to be benched in favor of udrih, yes, it has come down to that.


    duncan playing 1 on 5 isn't gonna cut it


    he needs to start calling his teammates out

    having said all this, next 2 are in SA, if we drop any of those 2 games then we're back to square
    LOSER SPURS FAN,WE LOSE AND YOU BLAME POP,WHAT AN

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    He doesn't have hte freedom to go? So Pop is telling him on these isolations to take step back jumpers and NOT go to the rack? He doesn't get touches? He managed to take 9 shots tonight which isn't exactly "not getting the ball".

    Your argument is ing stupid.
    Since when is 9 shots in 30 minutes a lot? He took as many shots as Fin and one less than Bowen.

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    Really? Then why doesn't he do it?
    recently he has been turning it over when he tries, missing his step back, or passing it off someone's foot when they roll. all not good.

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    Manu took nine shots and have five assists plus 2 turnovers. For someone who "doesn't even get the ball" thats a of a lot of ball handling.

    The five assists is actually a good stat and he also had decent rebounding stats but the Spurs cannot survive with him not being aggressive and taking it to the rack. They just can't.

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    LOSER SPURS FAN,WE LOSE AND YOU BLAME POP,WHAT AN

    hahahahaha, the players are to blame too, but you can't say Pop coached a great game

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    Since when is 9 shots in 30 minutes a lot? He took as many shots as Fin and one less than Bowen.
    And they both made more shots than Manu. In any event, those shots come off of others handling hte ball. Bruce isn't getting iso's run for him and neither is Finley (sans one post they ran). Manu's shots come off of HIS isolations.

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    omg how the are people defending manu

    face it es, he used to be up above it, now he's down in it.

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    I don't know. He's always been a team guy and run the plays as called. Maybe he has to be more selfish and just go the second he catches a ball, and not wait for anyone to set up.

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    And they both made more shots than Manu. In any event, those shots come off of others handling hte ball. Bruce isn't getting iso's run for him and neither is Finley (sans one post they ran). Manu's shots come off of HIS isolations.
    Maybe 5 of his shots came off his isolations, at most. He had at least 4 catch and shoots.

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    Spurs bench shot 5 - 20, got 10 pts.

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    Maybe 5 of his shots came off his isolations, at most. He had at least 4 catch and shoots.
    Jesus Christ, why on Earth would they give him MORE isolations when all he's doing is throwing up step back midrange bricks?

    You wanted them to go away from Duncan who was having a flawless game in favor of a non aggressive Manu?

    And if he only had five isolations and no pick and rolls then where the did his assists come from?

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    I agree to an extent. How can we expect Manu to get into the game with the small ball set up? He needs those big guys in there.
    He needs Rasho setting some screens for him.

    Seriously, though, the last couple of seasons Manu played (when Tim and Tony were on the bench) with a completely different looking line-up than he is usually out there with now. He was more effective with a line-up that was focused on passing and ball movement-- often with guys like Brent, Horry, Beno, and Rasho.

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    Wow, people defending Manu, whats new. He sucked for the past 3 games going back to Denver. Don't blame Pop. Manu needs to get his head out of his ass and drive, quick settling for threes and and jumpers.

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    @ a 20-point loss being on Pop.

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    The bottom line is Manu - arguably the Spurs 2nd best player - is playing like ing and its on his lack of aggression and his newly found affinity for his step back shot. I can't believe there are those of you out there who are finding ways to blame this on others.

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    @ a 20-point loss being on Pop.
    You can't tell me you didn't expect AHF's act.

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    Wow, didn't see this thread coming....

    How about the Spurs' complete and total lack of D tonight and the fact that Tony and Manu sucked?

    I'm not surprised! Tony usually follows up an outstanding performance with a no show. I thought Manu would pick up the slack tonight but he decided to no show as well.

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    That at the top of the key is a screen and roll. I'm talking about the stuff we used to run for him at the wings.

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    HORRIBLE subs ution patterns

    way way too little of finley and horry

    vaughn has to be benched in favor of udrih, yes, it has come down to that.


    duncan playing 1 on 5 isn't gonna cut it


    he needs to start calling his teammates out

    having said all this, next 2 are in SA, if we drop any of those 2 games then we're back to square
    I suggested that as a Suns fan yesterday and you guys made Vaughn look like Nash compared to Udrih.

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