Edit: nm, dude above me found it.
But...
I'm glad we can compare both the actions of Bowen and Barbosa. But, I would also like a definitive opinion on Bowen's actions standing alone, irrespective of any other play.
here's the undercut from barbosa. looks a lot worse than the bowen leg-sweep. i still don't know what suns fans are ing about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNv2_YChq7o
Edit: nm, dude above me found it.
But...
I'm glad we can compare both the actions of Bowen and Barbosa. But, I would also like a definitive opinion on Bowen's actions standing alone, irrespective of any other play.
He jumped before TP left his feet. In fact, TP faded into Barbosa.
Meh, not much in either case.
Not sure, where was Bruce about 15 years ago? there was a shadowy figure that we caught on video a few days before, but the tape was inconclusive.
If you knew anything about Barbosa you would know that he would never undercut anyone intentionally. He is one of the nicest players in the NBA.
Yes, it looks a lot worse. But what looks a lot worse? The conduct? or the result?
In Tony's case... the result was bad... but the conduct was innocent.
In Amare's case... the result was not bad... but the conduct was questionable.
same thing can be said of bowen. let it go.
Yeah, right. Bowen is a sweet guy??
what happens when the suns win by thirty? fourty? accusations of rape? murder? there is no evidence that anything malicious happened other than some awkwardly shot game footage that proves nothing. get over it. dwelling on it makes you look like pussies.
i've never heard anything to the contrary. no one complains about his demeanor, just his intensity on the court.Yeah, right. Bowen is a sweet guy??
the difference
barbosa foul (yes, it was a foul) was unintentional
bowen foul (yes, it was also a foul) was intentional
LOL! Bruce doesn't even TOUCH Amare's foot...goodness. Wow...lol. The slow motion clearly shows that there was NO contact between Bowen's foot and Amare's foot. How can he kick him without contact?
Yeah, but how often does Barbosa get into a situation where players are saying he's crossing a line? Maybe he gets a pass this time... and truthfully, Barbosa jumped before Parker.
But as for Bowen, some of his defensive tactics have been called into question and do ented before. So when he does something again that is su ious... it elicits more of a response. And he doesn't get the pass that a player like Barbosa might.
had bowen actually kicked amare i could see the outrage, but it's impossible to tell. to guess intent from either is impossible and only furthers spceculation of re ation.
Exactly. Bruce is a good guy. He's a nice dude...the only people who have any problems with him are the ones he's defending...
Bruce would never hurt anyone intentionally...
believe me, we've heard it all before. the people who call into question bruce's tactics are people he owns on a regular basis. he's never been suspended and when the league tried to "crack down" they got verbally slapped by pop because bruce had done nothing wrong. you haven't heard a word from them since. the next time bruce is suspended for a defensive tactic will be his first.
Well, it wouldn't be the first time the league has missed or screwed something up.
And if the league wants to say it's ok by not sanctioning him when he engages in the conduct. That's the league's perogative. But from just a pure basketball standpoint... is that the sort of thing we want to see in the league? Maybe not. If it's intentional... definitely not.
If it were Raja bell instead of Bowen... and TimmyD instead of Amare... would you feel the same way? Or do you like that type of basketball? (assuming it was part of his defense to kick the player's foot for whatever reason).
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I'm a big bowen fan, but he definitely kicked Amare. When I watched the game live, I wondered why Amare kind of came up gimpy after that dunk.
No it was not good god people in this day and age go crazy over everything. Do you have any idea how physical the NBA used to be and the players used to pull on a regular basis? Bowen 20 years ago would be just another player but because he plays tough hard D in an ERA where almost nobody does he is called dirty by the players and the media.
We could argue about a lot of things, but that's not a natural stride..
Well, the rules have changed. For you, I guess the question is... have the rules changed for the better or for the worse?
For me, I'm concerned with the rules as they are now, how they're enforced, and whether they can be improved.
But BB shouldn't be able to go around playing by a different set of rules. That's all we're saying. Because if BB can play by 80s, early 90s standards, and the Suns have to play by current standards... that is an obvious advantage to the Spurs... and an unfair one.
And what is the quality of the result, if there is not a level playing field?
Bruce Bowen is one of the classiest guys in the NBA. What you (suns fans) say about Barbosa's character and demeanor can easily be said of Bruce's (as someone pointed out already).
It's just Bruce's job description is much different from Barbosa's and places him in situations where people can call him dirty...he gets paid to pay physical defense. Barbosa has no opportunity to be called dirty...he's there to make quick, slick moves to the hoop and drain threes.
I remember an article about Bruce's supposed dirtiness a while back in si.com (and Express-News?) after the Steve Francis incident, where an unnamed NBA GM pointed out a simple statistic to illustrate his point:
"Let's say Bowen defends the other team's top scorer each night, and that the scorer attempts 20 shots per game. If Bowen actively contests half those shots, he's looking at 820 times per season (10 shots x 82 games) where he's flying out at his man trying to get a hand in his face. Over the span of five years, that's 4,100 plays.
"How many times has he been accused of [sticking his foot underneath] over that time span? Four or five? Out of [4,000] plays? When you look at it like that, it doesn't seem like it's intentional."
Bowen is put in the game to solely play tight defense. His rep of being "dirty" is totally unfounded and are exaggerations. Dirty implies a deliberate, malicious intent to harm. Bruce never has the intent to harm anyone...ever. And I will always stand by that. Bruce Bowen is one of the most professional, classiest, nicest guys in the NBA.
The result is assholes like Ray Allen who can't score on Bruce ing up a storm because it is easier in this day and age to cry dirty D than admit that he is actually shutting you down.
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