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A one month bus pass is $25.
i pay $3.20 for premium in Montana.
A one month bus pass is $25.
I filled up my truck yesterday (low fuel light just came on)
It was 2.99 yesterday, now its 3.09.
Yeah I just saw it at $2.99 by my house. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I filled up my truck yesterday (low fuel light just came on)
That's it!!!!
I'm buying a Scooter!!!
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I wonder if they can make a bike lane on 410.
People will pay whatever it takes for gas. I'm convinced... bags that drive SUVS and Hummers don't care how much they have to pay to look cool and beat small cars.
Gas has gone up 16 cents in the last 48 hours at my HEB. I gassed up one car yesterday evening and one this morning, and missed 10 cents of that today. .
Ever considered that a lot of people have SUV's because they need a vehicle that size?Some need them for work, family, etc.
I call bull . You can buy a sedan with a far smaller engine, like 2.6/3L, that will comfortably fit 5 adults and use half the petrol.Ever considered that a lot of people have SUV's because they need a vehicle that size?
Tradesmen and such may need a truck or SUV, but most of the market (and it is a huge market, peaked at something like 40% of new cars in the late 90s) is urbanites who never go off-road and don't need a 6L V8 to drive to work. You want a car for a big family, how about a minivan?
Making excuses for the massive waste of a non-renewable resource like petrol is pitiful. Your kids are going to hate you for it. We, those who have lived from 1975-2025, will go down as the greatest robber-barons in history for wasting oil the way we do. Future generations will rightfully despise us for it.
Did I say ALL people?? Didn't think so. I need my SUV for business and you can sure as I won't be driving a minivan.
Since your in the crying mood. I've got a big SUV, 2 cars that get about 6mpg and 2 additional cars. I'll think about you every time I mash down on the gas pedal and watch the gas gauge needle drop.
Snake, did you even bother to read what I said? I even said that some people need large vehicles for work - I'm not objecting to that. That accounts for about 5% of SUV owners, then there's another 5% who actually do go offroad, leaving 90% who drive these massively wasteful tanks to work. Good job.
You got kids? It's not about me, moron. It's a little thing called "intergenerational concern", ie. leaving the planet in a state that won't disadvantage future generations. At the moment, we're doing a -awful job of it, and most of that is down to foolish, short-sighted selfishness. How in can you justify needing 5 cars? What a waste of embodied energy/resources that is, but of course you wouldn't even know what embodied energy is...
You act like the oil will never run out. It will, it is already, and people like you are speeding up the process. Once again, well done for ing over your kids and grandkids, good job on that.
Like I said....thank you for proving my point.Since your in the crying mood. I've got a big SUV, 2 cars that get about 6mpg and 2 additional cars. I'll think about you every time I mash down on the gas pedal and watch the gas gauge needle drop.
I said it once and I'll say it a thousand times...people just don't give a .
Yup, no-one gives a .
As a human ecologist I find it very, very frustrating, but unsurprising. Humans aren't very good at thinking ahead a week from now, let alone 25 or 50 years.
I'm actually waiting for someone to come in and say I'm an overreacting hippie communist, but no-one thinks about the scale of resource depletion and environmental problems we face this century.
It was fine to waste things a century ago when there were only 1.2 billion people on the planet (which is ironic because until this generation waste was abhorred), but now we have 6.6 billion, our living standards have gone through the roof, and we are going to start to run out of things like oil, let alone the damage we are doing to climate, oceans, etc.
The scale of the issues is beyond most people, so we're ed. it's just that most people can't see that yet because it's not right in front of them...
it, I'm going to bed.
Oh, they'll be giving a when there is no gas to buy.
Your welcome! Also, you better cancel that flight over here if the Spurs make it to the Finals. That would be a MAJOR waste of gas.Once again, well done for ing over your kids and grandkids, good job on that.
By the time there is no more gas, we will have alternatives in place.
I drive a Saturn Relay, a crossover minivan/suv and I NEED it to haul my 4 kids around. A sedan won't cut it when you have backpacks and soccer bags and luggage for travel.
I'm sorry you think so. I'm convinced...the same way I'm convinced that people just don't give a ...oil companies don't give a . I'm sure there will be an amazing alternative to gas...but that won't come until there is a single gallon of gas left in the entire world and WW III is near at hand.
There is just too much money that the oil companies are making for there to be any practical alternative while they can still sell gas.
What people need to realizes is that high oil prices is the SOLUTION to PART of the problem........
With high oil prices, other technologies are now viable. With today's prices you are seeing a boom in other technologies and resources (LNG, coal gasification, gas-to-liquids, biodiesel, ethanol, fuel cells, wind, etc.).
Big oil gets a bad wrap. They are publicly traded companies who's shareholders demand results. Today is an up cycle......but we soon forget about $10 bbl oil after the peak in the late 70's/early 80's.
It is a world market.
Most people can't see that yet because most people don't claim to know what the future holds. You're assuming and predicting that future generations will also depend on petrol.The scale of the issues is beyond most people, so we're ed. it's just that most people can't see that yet because it's not right in front of them...
I hope that our grandchildren won't have to be dependant on oil as we are because there will be better alternatives available and, if so, our "waste" will be the inspiration for these alternatives.
For s sake, my truck is just eating this up. $10 doesnt even get me a 1/4 tank. This really sucks balls.
What else is there in the short term to drive on? what else is on the books in the long-term that might work? 'The World' is using all spare capacity of refined gas already. We don't have the luxury of waiting for future generations to solve this problem. There is no alternative to cheap fuel and we are heading into hurricane season.
Thank you nbadan, exactly, and here's a brief explanation why.
Yup, and that's because I've done a lot of reading about the nature of our transport systems.
In short, there are over a billion vehicles on the planet, all running on petroleum products. Why? Petrol is a "naturally occurring", high-energy content fuel that is crucially easily transportable. So, are there any other fuels which contain similar levels of energy content and transportability? No. Thus, we have a problem.
You can talk about running vehicles on electricity or hydrogen, but you still have to generate both of these, and neither is very transportable... H2, for example, is far more difficult to contain than natural gas. Also, every time you convert energy from one form to another you lose some energy in the conversion process (entropy, second law of thermodynamics), so producing these sources of energy is very energy inefficient. In order to run the planet's vehicle fleet on electricity you would have to more than double the planet's current electricity generation capacity, a MASSIVE task. How are you going to do that given other demands for electricity which are constantly rising, and the necessary shift towards low-emissions, renewable electricity generation technology? Then, you have to re-equip/replace those 1,000,000,000 vehicles, another MASSIVE task.
My point, you can't just snap your fingers and make the switch occur. It is something that will have to happen over decades at the very least, at a time the world will be scrambling to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from all sources, so where is the electricity going to come from?
Unless we discover mini-cold fusion in the very near future, the nature of transport on the planet will be massively downsized and transformed this century... unless of course your blind faith in technology brings us a miracle.
Smartest thing you've said in this thread Sanke. Props. Whether people like it or not, the price of energy has been artificially low due to market failure (no accounting for the costs of pollution), and that has enabled our economic expansion. That will come to an end as the oil dries up.
Oh, and I'm not talking out my arse on this stuff. Read the literature, it's all out there for you. The thing is, most people don't want to think about these problems because they are too daunting, and frankly I don't blame them because the problems depress the out of me...
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