29 free throws to 14 - Complaining About the Refs Thread

[Kobulingam]

Yep the refs have decided the last 2 games. Stern said to make sure it goes 7.

No. YOu can't say the Refs caused Spurs to win Game 3. The bias in Game 3 was VERY SMALL (maybe zero). Duncan was held on every posession.

This game was horrible. Suns lose by 20 if it wasn't for Refs.

[Pistons < Spurs]

The way the Spurs finished this game is the reason for the loss. Not the refs. Between Pops idiotic play calls, timeouts and benching of Duncan, combined with bonehead play after bonehead play from Duncan, the Spurs choked it away. The game was done. All they had to do was close it out. And they failed. Where was the D? A 16-3 run to finish the game? You kidding me? Fade aways from Finley?

The last half of the 4th qtr was not Spurs basketball. They completely let up.

Don't blame the officiating.

[Kobulingam]

People say when you blame the refs you are whining, but you can see when a string of bad calls change the momentum of the game. They robbed us of our aggression And I'm sure Horry's reaction was direct effect of that. I actually recall Nash on one play pass the ball and then put both arms out sheilding two defenders from closing on the shooter.

Yes he does that a lot to free up Thomas and Amare. Late in the game he ran into Manu and pushed him to get him off balance. This freed Raja Bell up for an easy pass to a layup. This was another momentum shifting point.

[Kobulingam]

The way the Spurs finished this game is the reason for the loss. Not the refs.

Point is, with more balanced officiating Spurs would have been up big in the game. So the refs did cause the loss, though Spurs still had a chance to win the game.

[kps0001]

all i can say is ....Wow the ing irony of this thread!!!!!

[Kobulingam]

Ginobili was manhandled twice by Raja Bell down the stretch. Barbosa got that bs and one.

I like how Barbose leaned 70 degrees to push his body into Parker for that call.

[Kobulingam]

all i can say is ....Wow the ing irony of this thread!!!!!

, we were going to put your team away this game.

Game 3, sure some calls were not called on us, but it didn't lead to the loss for you guys. Duncan was fouled many times that game without calls so STFU, it was pretty even.

[FromWayDowntown]

Anyone who has complained about the Suns' whining and is now complaining about officiating is a flat-damned hypocrite.

The Spurs failed to execute in the 4th quarter. At 82-72, they had the Suns literally at the tipping point. I still think that moment might very well have been the tipping point for the entire series. Instead of continuing to play Spurs basketball, though, the Spurs fell into a rut of very poor offensive execution and very poor defensive effort, both of which killed them. The Spurs should be pissed -- but they should be pissed at themselves and only themselves. I'd hope that we'll see a better effort on Wednesday, particularly since they now have to get another game in Phoenix if they're to have any chance to advance.

A little focus and a little respect for the opponent would do wonders.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Anyone who has complained about the Suns' whining and is now complaining about officiating is a flat-damned hypocrite.

[RonMexico]

Above all I hate it how Nash is allowed to run into to people to free his teammates up.

Run into another player? That's something the Spurs have never done....

You fail to realize that the Spurs took 23 3pointers to the Suns' 14. I guess Parker should have been fouled on all those dumb jumpers he was taking in the 4th quarter?

[RonMexico]

I like how Barbose leaned 70 degrees to push his body into Parker for that call.

Haha - Parker was still moving! And he barely touched him! It was a no-call at best because Tony's flop made Barbosa fall.

[miss paxton]

The way the Spurs finished this game is the reason for the loss. Not the refs. Between Pops idiotic play calls, timeouts and benching of Duncan, combined with bonehead play after bonehead play from Duncan, the Spurs choked it away. The game was done. All they had to do was close it out. And they failed. Where was the D? A 16-3 run to finish the game? You kidding me? Fade aways from Finley?

The last half of the 4th qtr was not Spurs basketball. They completely let up.

Don't blame the officiating.

Great post. Even though I don't think discussing bad calls always necessarily equates to blaming losses on refs, I really don't even see the point of discussing the officiating here.

A little focus and a little respect for the opponent would do wonders.

Exactly.

[SA210]

Oh well, we got the Javie game out of the way.

And now cometh Salvitore...

[RonMexico]

No. YOu can't say the Refs caused Spurs to win Game 3. The bias in Game 3 was VERY SMALL (maybe zero). Duncan was held on every posession.

This game was horrible. Suns lose by 20 if it wasn't for Refs.

You've got to be joking. Amare is held by Horry/Duncan on every play and you that Duncan was finally called for a foul on Nash and a moving screen (firsts for both in this series, btw)... but the refs handed the Suns the game... oh yeah, no dobut about it.

And can you believe they gave Horry a Flagrant 2 for that foul when it was obvious Nash's smaller body caused him to fly out of bounds. The inhumanity of this officiating crew. Let's ignore the complete offensive meltdown by the Spurs in the 4th quarter.

[mavsfan1000]

No. YOu can't say the Refs caused Spurs to win Game 3. The bias in Game 3 was VERY SMALL (maybe zero). Duncan was held on every posession.

This game was horrible. Suns lose by 20 if it wasn't for Refs.

Game 3 was possibly the worst reffed games ever. I guess I've watched the nba too long so it has been ridiculously one-sided so many times. I'll give it that the suns got the benefits this game but the spurs got it all in game 3 as well.

[Kobulingam]

Haha - Parker was still moving! And he barely touched him! It was a no-call at best because Tony's flop made Barbosa fall.

If an offensive player deliberately tries to make contact like that (leaning in severely) and Parker is barely moving then it's still a foul on Barbosa. Suns ended up with a buck and foul.

[BradLohaus]

Phx shot 21 FTs to our 9 going into the 4th, that's why the game was even close. Most of those were bull calls, and many on TD. Phx had no business shooting twice as many fts as us. They didn't take it to the hole and get fouled that much more than SA. Timmy shot 4 ing free throws vs. 5 fouls. Anyone who watched the game knows that this is crap. He couldn't even play most of when it counted because of the BS calls.

Amare got called for one foul he didn't commit in game 3, the Oberto charge. How many BS calls did TD get tonight? 3? 4? When Timmy went down in the 4th because of fouls we were still up but the momentum had died.

This game shouldn't have been there for the Suns' taking but for the bad foul calls. Yeah we should have closed better but it wasn't supposed to come to that.

[cly2tw]

I'm a Suns fan, so I'm certainly a little biased. For what's the worth, I'd say almost all calls made by the refs were correct and they called it quite consistently throughout the whole game. The problem for you guys is that means many no-calls TD and Bowen normally enjoyed got called. Particularly, they didn't allow Bowen's little tricks of pushing and tripping Nash when Nash drove by him, the way they allowed it in game 3. And the call on TD's shooting foul on Nash for body contact could be construed as a makeup call on calling Nash's offensive foul against Parker earlier. TD normally can get away with a no-call for his status.

Well, the consequence is TD with 5 fouls makes him equally vulnerable like Amare in the closing minutes. And well, Amare won that duel this time around.

But, really, the game was partially lost on Pop's "over-coaching" and probably over-confidence in the plays by Barry and Finley. I could understand Horry's losing it on frustration for exactly this aspect: you lost it without him being able to play a role.

[BradLohaus]

^There's no way you deserved twice as many FTs as us.

[Spurs Brazil]

Spurs and the refs were terrible

[GhostofAlfrederickHughes]

Phx shot 21 FTs to our 9 going into the 4th, that's why the game was even close. Most of those were bull calls, and many on TD. Phx had no business shooting twice as many fts as us. They didn't take it to the hole and get fouled that much more than SA. Timmy shot 4 ing free throws vs. 5 fouls. Anyone who watched the game knows that this is crap. He couldn't even play most of when it counted because of the BS calls.

Amare got called for one foul he didn't commit in game 3, the Oberto charge. How many BS calls did TD get tonight? 3? 4? When Timmy went down in the 4th because of fouls we were still up but the momentum had died.

This game shouldn't have been there for the Suns' taking but for the bad foul calls. Yeah we should have closed better but it wasn't supposed to come to that.

GREAT points. That's exactly why we're ing about the calls. The Spurs should have been up by 15-20 points. The bad officiating didn't "lose" the game---the Spurs did---but they clearly left the door wide open.

[themvp]

The refs were fine.

They weren't. I just can't get over it. And I hate whining.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Well it seems as though the suns crying has finally been rewarded however this is not the reason we lost. the suns wanted it more than our guys during the last few minutes of the game. I certainly don't want to give the impression that the good guys didn't want it it's just that the bad guys wanted it more. Phoenix earned this victory tonight however I am not devastated nor discouraged. One team is going to win another game on the other's court so let's hope it's the good guys.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm a Suns fan, so I'm certainly a little biased. For what's the worth, I'd say almost all calls made by the refs were correct and they called it quite consistently throughout the whole game. The problem for you guys is that means many no-calls TD and Bowen normally enjoyed got called. Particularly, they didn't allow Bowen's little tricks of pushing and tripping Nash when Nash drove by him, the way they allowed it in game 3. And the call on TD's shooting foul on Nash for body contact could be construed as a makeup call on calling Nash's offensive foul against Parker earlier. TD normally can get away with a no-call for his status.

Well, the consequence is TD with 5 fouls makes him equally vulnerable like Amare in the closing minutes. And well, Amare won that duel this time around.

But, really, the game was partially lost on Pop's "over-coaching" and probably over-confidence in the plays by Barry and Finley. I could understand Horry's losing it on frustration for exactly this aspect: you lost it without him being able to play a role.

don't forget Bell's flopping... he's becoming tha karl malone of floppers.. either that guy is a weak or he is an actor..

[GrandeDavid]

welcome, you will fit in nice here as long as you blame the refs for every loss

Well, most of the contributors here are terrific. You do, however, have a supposed Spurs fan moron who will blow out the occassional childish expletive then duck out of threads like a punk ass . But other than that, its just passionate fans.

And I think Spurs fans have a right to complain. There were definitely some shady calls. In fact, if you consider the lousy officiating coupled with San Anotnio's lack of interest down the stretch, then it would've been a crime for Phoenix NOT to have won this game.