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Why doesn't Pop play Barry as a backup for Parker....??? Instead of letting Vaughn start Suns runs....
*sigh*. I agree completely with timvp, this is the most let-down and mad I've been, ah well, thank god it just hit 6 PM, I can finally drink without feeling like an alkie.
But anyway, Pop messed up his rotation and subs ution patterns. More than that, for a guy whose praised universally around the league for drawing up the best plays out of timeouts, that Finley fadeaway was damn pathetic. Their end-game plays were vanilla and showed a distinct lack of imagination.
Duncan was in foul trouble, granted, but by the time the Spurs needed him in the fourth quarter his rhythm was so off he couldn't come through for them.
I'll give credit to Ginobili for staying aggressive, and honestly, right at the end of the game he had a great shot at the rim, he just missed it. Parker tried his best to force the issue and carry the team.
The Suns did just enough to stay in the game and wait for the right moment to take the game. But, this was a Spurs loss, Nash was doing everything possible in the fourth to lose this game...turning the ball over twice on consecutive possessions (IIRC). Spurs didn't capitalize, didn't play with poise or mental toughness and just choked the game away. Ye gods, I need a drink.
Why doesn't Pop play Barry as a backup for Parker....??? Instead of letting Vaughn start Suns runs....
Manu F- - - - - - -
Im still too gotdamn pissed to make a comment.
Holy , criticism of Pop
The bonehead decision of the game by Pop was calling a timeout when we were up 5 with momentum, subs uting Vaughn for Parker, and watching Marion grab an easy steal from Vaughn and all momentum from the Spurs.
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Weirdest subs ution patterns Ive seen in a while, Even the timeouts he was calling were badly timed. Whats weird on that play is that he put parker back in like 40 secs later
Ginobili should take a large part of the blame. This is about the 5 or 6th consecutive game Ive seen the Spurs use Ginobili as their primary ballhandler and shot maker in the 4th and he has yet to deliver he had some costly to's and forced the issue...he deserves the F.
Im simply in shock over the Spurs. That's 2 seasons in a row they've lost to teams they are clearly better than due to choke jobs and an inability to execute during crunchtime. They were better than Dallas last season and couldn't get the job done and they're better than the Suns and there's no way they'll win this series now. They have the talent, it falls on Pop's bad execution and coaching in crunch time.
Barry should have receved bowen's playing time in the 4th when the suns were on their run and the SPurs couldn't get stops. Also, putting bowen on nash is a mistake, a stubborn one which may ultimately cost them. Bowen cannot slow down or stop nash throughout the game. no one can, stick parker on him let bowen help with the drives. bowen needs to help shut down other players...marion, diaw, bell, etc. It's a joke that Pop is going away from the game plan that helped him beat the Suns in 5 2 years ago.....
tony needs to do a better job running the offense after initial penetration is closed off. he should really be used to it by now. work the ball around and get a shot.
Just a forgettable, tragic 4th quarter. The only consolation is that the series is 2-2, where most thought it would be before it started. Obviously, its what went on between that matters, and that 4th quarter was atrocious. You got the feeling that the Spurs got nervous, gripped and were just trying to hold on. They left their brains in the third quarter, not mention their hearts.
One thing is for certain, tomorrow's game will be awesome, win or lose. The Phoenix fans will be rabid as well.
L.J. called out Spurs fans and I must admit it did seem awfully quiet at times. It seemed that before the game there was lots of cheering.
I think the worst part is losing in a classless way. If they had done it and just choked you could say ok, onto Game 5 maybe. But because of they way they played at the end, now the Suns have even more confidence that they're in the Spurs heads and the Spurs showed they have a weakness in executing and letting their emotions get in the way of close games. It happened countless times against the Mavs last season, yes the refs made bad calls, but you get up and play through it.
Spurs fans always wanted an "enforcer" to take a guy out...now that they're not labeled as soft and you got your wish, how many wish they were soft again?
Great game last night...
Nonsense, he can be the hero, err zero, by going one on three two straight trips, early in the shot clock I might add, and come up with nothing but helping Phoenix seize control.
Last night illustrated two very succinct points about our Spurs:
1. For all the times Pop gets it right, and for all the criticism of guys like Manu, Finley, and Parker, Pop is just as responsible for our playoff failures as anyone else. His subs utions last night were horrid and contributed to noticeable momentum shifts (particularly in the 2nd and 3rd quarters when we had Phoenix on the ropes).
He should donate his paycheck to charity for drawing up a turnaround fadeaway jumper for Finley out of our last timeout, but then again I don't expect too much for him as far as x's and o's go - the guy just isn't that good at it.
Bowen hasn't been able to check Nash save the last 2-3 minutes of game 3. It's time Pop recognizes this, lets Parker stay in front of Nash with his speed, and sicks Bowen on one of Marion or Bell.
Bowen also needs called out for sagging off Raja to help with Thomas driving on Elson. WTF man?
The sad fact about Pop is that Larry Brown has rubbed off on him in that he has an overreliance upon veterans for the post-season, to the point he has marginalized any youth on the roster.
Which leads to guys like Finley choking away games for us when it matters.
2. We have no one on this team with a killer instinct. This is twice we've let Phoenix back in this series with them on the ropes. We let Dallas pull one out last year.
Duncan was looking like the dagger man here in this series, but then he flips out about some double teams tonight? Double teams? Gee Tim, never seen those before in your 10 year career.What a joke.
Not to delve into the I miss ______ whoever talk, but does anyone think this meltdown happens with Buckets still here?
He should still be a Spur (and captain clutch for us), but management was afraid to pay him 10 mil over 3 years, and instead went with the Larry Brown principle of getting veterans in - i.e., Barry and Finley.
And here we are, a couple of years later, and Buckets kills Dallas in the decisive game in the series while playing with a one legged point guard, meanwhile we get Finley choking when it matters against Phoenix.
The front office leadership of this franchise needs an overhaul, and Pop needs to get off his Larry Brownesque "I only want veterans on my team" bent if we're ever going to win another le during the Tim Duncan era.
Don't you see the masterful way the Suns have used media gamesmanship to get an edge in this series? Isn't it apparent that the refs are focusing on the Spurs now?
The rap on the Spurs was that they're too soft...the Suns turned that around, and today we made it worse by playing right into their hands at the end of the game.
Game 5 will be called the Suns way, book it.
well, if parker goes back on nash who checks barbosa? tony has been guarding him a good amount of the time bowen spends on nash. i don't think anyone else could do quite as good a job on him. what i don't like about bowen on nash is phoenix automatically runs pick and roll and gets duncan to switch on nash, which generally means an easy bucket for amare.Nonsense, he can be the hero, err zero, by going one on three two straight trips, early in the shot clock I might add, and come up with nothing but helping Phoenix seize control.
Last night illustrated two very succinct points about our Spurs:
1. For all the times Pop gets it right, and for all the criticism of guys like Manu, Finley, and Parker, Pop is just as responsible for our playoff failures as anyone else. His subs utions last night were horrid and contributed to noticeable momentum shifts (particularly in the 2nd and 3rd quarters when we had Phoenix on the ropes).
He should donate his paycheck to charity for drawing up a turnaround fadeaway jumper for Finley out of our last timeout, but then again I don't expect too much for him as far as x's and o's go - the guy just isn't that good at it.
Bowen hasn't been able to check Nash save the last 2-3 minutes of game 3. It's time Pop recognizes this, lets Parker stay in front of Nash with his speed, and sicks Bowen on one of Marion or Bell.
Bowen also needs called out for sagging off Raja to help with Thomas driving on Elson. WTF man?
The sad fact about Pop is that Larry Brown has rubbed off on him in that he has an overreliance upon veterans for the post-season, to the point he has marginalized any youth on the roster.
Which leads to guys like Finley choking away games for us when it matters.
2. We have no one on this team with a killer instinct. This is twice we've let Phoenix back in this series with them on the ropes. We let Dallas pull one out last year.
Duncan was looking like the dagger man here in this series, but then he flips out about some double teams tonight? Double teams? Gee Tim, never seen those before in your 10 year career.
Not to delve into the I miss ______ whoever talk, but does anyone think this meltdown happens with Buckets still here?
He should still be a Spur (and captain clutch for us), but management was afraid to pay him 10 mil over 3 years, and instead went with the Larry Brown principle of getting veterans in - i.e., Barry and Finley.
And here we are, a couple of years later, and Buckets kills Dallas in the decisive game in the series while playing with a one legged point guard, meanwhile we get Finley choking when it matters against Phoenix.
The front office leadership of this franchise needs an overhaul, and Pop needs to get off his Larry Brownesque "I only want veterans on my team" bent if we're ever going to win another le during the Tim Duncan era.
I really think Spurs will win Game 5. They are mad because of this loss, just like they were mad after Game 2.
The question remains if they can win Game 6 or 7. The meltdown really took away my confidence in this team, and after the choke job against Dallas last year...
You should be calling out Ginobili, not ParkerNonsense, he can be the hero, err zero, by going one on three two straight trips, early in the shot clock I might add, and come up with nothing but helping Phoenix seize control.
Last night illustrated two very succinct points about our Spurs:
1. For all the times Pop gets it right, and for all the criticism of guys like Manu, Finley, and Parker, Pop is just as responsible for our playoff failures as anyone else. His subs utions last night were horrid and contributed to noticeable momentum shifts (particularly in the 2nd and 3rd quarters when we had Phoenix on the ropes).
He should donate his paycheck to charity for drawing up a turnaround fadeaway jumper for Finley out of our last timeout, but then again I don't expect too much for him as far as x's and o's go - the guy just isn't that good at it.
Bowen hasn't been able to check Nash save the last 2-3 minutes of game 3. It's time Pop recognizes this, lets Parker stay in front of Nash with his speed, and sicks Bowen on one of Marion or Bell.
Bowen also needs called out for sagging off Raja to help with Thomas driving on Elson. WTF man?
The sad fact about Pop is that Larry Brown has rubbed off on him in that he has an overreliance upon veterans for the post-season, to the point he has marginalized any youth on the roster.
Which leads to guys like Finley choking away games for us when it matters.
2. We have no one on this team with a killer instinct. This is twice we've let Phoenix back in this series with them on the ropes. We let Dallas pull one out last year.
Duncan was looking like the dagger man here in this series, but then he flips out about some double teams tonight? Double teams? Gee Tim, never seen those before in your 10 year career.
Not to delve into the I miss ______ whoever talk, but does anyone think this meltdown happens with Buckets still here?
He should still be a Spur (and captain clutch for us), but management was afraid to pay him 10 mil over 3 years, and instead went with the Larry Brown principle of getting veterans in - i.e., Barry and Finley.
And here we are, a couple of years later, and Buckets kills Dallas in the decisive game in the series while playing with a one legged point guard, meanwhile we get Finley choking when it matters against Phoenix.
The front office leadership of this franchise needs an overhaul, and Pop needs to get off his Larry Brownesque "I only want veterans on my team" bent if we're ever going to win another le during the Tim Duncan era.
Parker had two key assists from his drives to the basket which drew defenders in and left Finley for 2 3 pointers. Then in crunchtime he was the only spur who drove to the basket and got to the foul line.
Ginobili meanwhile in that timeframe took 2 bad 3 pointers, tried to isolate and drive to the rim when clearly there was no room to and didn't even try to pass out to a teammate. Poor decision making, which has been a trend with him for a while now. Spurs fan want 2005 manu and expect him to be when in reality he's not even close to that. Parker should be ur primary ball handler and defender on Nash/Barbosa. Why cant coaches see that?
parker did set up finley nicely, but he did make several bad decisions in the last 2 minutes which resulted in poor shots for teammates. he wasn't alone though, tim looked bewildered when the doubles came instead of waiting for them and making his move.
I call out Parker for his dumb one on three drive that he got stuffed on (and worse, he wasn't even trying to score, just draw a foul), and for taking a jumper early on the next possession (like 16 seconds on the shot clock) when we needed to run some clock.You should be calling out Ginobili, not Parker
Parker had two key assists from his drives to the basket which drew defenders in and left Finley for 2 3 pointers. Then in crunchtime he was the only spur who drove to the basket and got to the foul line.
Ginobili meanwhile in that timeframe took 2 bad 3 pointers, tried to isolate and drive to the rim when clearly there was no room to and didn't even try to pass out to a teammate. Poor decision making, which has been a trend with him for a while now. Spurs fan want 2005 manu and expect him to be when in reality he's not even close to that. Parker should be ur primary ball handler and defender on Nash/Barbosa. Why cant coaches see that?
Those two possessions killed us, and no one else on the Spurs touched the ball on either possession.
Wow, I guess Spurs fans like Ginobili?
Because from what I saw, he's the one that cost you the game. 10 points the entire game, botched layups/TO's settling for 3 pointers, going one on one instead of passing when he should and passing when he should score...he's been doing this 3 games out of 4. When he is supposedly your team's 2nd best player, you should expect slightly more than that....
I'm so pissed that I can't stand that.
I'm gonna kill myself
He's supposed to be third, behind Tony and Tim...
But he's hitting rock bottom now. There's a reason Finley is starting.
Pulling TD after #5 threw the Spurs off track.
duncan looked confused and his teamates say that and choked
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tmvp: A!
but the only one I disagree with is Tony and Oberto grades.
Oberto was well in marking Amare and drew foul Stoudemire, good job some offense, made Nash´s turnover in critical moment, he played smart basket.
Elson B+ and Oberto B? I think Oberto B+ or A-
I agree.
Id give Duncan a D. He was the one who guarded Amare over those 4 easy points, I think he could have somehow stopped that.
But I agree, foul trouble shook the rhythm of the big guy.
Elson did nothing spectacular and nothing special either, so he deserved a decent grade.
Pretty dead on except for Ginobili. If the grade is supposed to be based on his value to the team as a reflection of his talent and abilities, then this C- was not even close to a low average game for MANU. This game was a D- or F because so much rode on his shoulders at times and he failed to deliver. shooting 3-14 is a disaster far below his average value.
I still love the guy, but this was a game where he let us down.
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