Spurs vs. Suns Game 5 - Grades

[travis2]

We've been through all this before...you and Kevin O'Keefe's relatives were all shown the error of your ways.

[bigfan]

I have to agree with the grades given again, good work! I again want to say Oberto has been playing great for a pretty long while now and Im damn glad we have him, he's just got good basketball sense, maybe not the biggest or most skilled but good enough. I had high hopes for Elson early this season but maybe he needs more playing practice. Im starting to think Beno over Vaughn now. He cant be any worse and at least Beno can shoot. Re Barry, an off game and pleeeze, no more Mr Timid, I thought we were over that. Shoot the damn ball!

[Obstructed_View]

We've been through all this before...you and Kevin O'Keefe's relatives were all shown the error of your ways.

The Spurs lost to the Mavericks. I said it would happen at the time. I was right. This year has only further proven what I said to be correct.

[travis2]

The Spurs lost to the Mavericks. I said it would happen at the time. I was right. This year has only further proven what I said to be correct.

Had the Spurs played standard big ball they would have lost in fewer games. With small ball they were a ty play away from going to the WCF. You were wrong.

[Obstructed_View]

Had the Spurs played standard big ball they would have lost in fewer games. With small ball they were a ty play away from going to the WCF. You were wrong.

The Spurs lost. Saying they would have lost more is just asinine. The team that the Spurs took seven games to lose to went on to get smoked by the Miami Heat, who used their bigs and still managed to keep Dirk from scoring fifty on them every game. The team that the Spurs abandoned in the Mavs series won 63 games.

Reality.

[travis2]

Reality? You are the one who can't seem to actually watch the games as they are played...

Read. Watch. Learn.

[leemajors]

it's easier to be bullheaded, travis. nazr and rasho couldn't cut it in that series, they had to be benched.

[sprrs]

I'll disagree with Bowen's shot being the biggest of his career. The one he hit in game 7 in '05 was much more impressive.

Otherwise spot on, especially with Horry

[timvp]

And btw, how come you all of a sudden started taking it easy on Elson?

Last night was easily his worst game as a Spur IMO. F easily.

RE: Oberto

I've been on the Oberto bandwagon from day 1.

That's classic coming from you in the same post. You were all over my azz for being hard on Elson early in the playoffs. And when I said Oberto should play more, you scoffed at it.

And Barry didn't get to run any plays...

Surely after 3 years you've noticed...

Barry as a spot up shooter = not very good. Lost. Especially when he's getting inconsistent minutes.


Barry acting as the point or as the initiator of the offense = the smartest ball handler on the team, confident, and IMO, the best passer. Found.


Barry sucks coming in cold off the bench...and I kind of have a problem with the way Pop does this to Shooters...it's what ed Kerr up too. Kerr went from getting big minutes and being counted on by Jordan to not getting off the bench except in desperation....took him 5 years to acclimate to that role.

Barry came in as a spot up shooter in Game 3 and turned that game around. He had the same role in Game 4 and played well. He again had the same role in Game 5 and pulled a classic Barry disappearance. He hasn't run point guard at all this series. You must be seeing things.

The problem with Barry after his 85 years in the league is that he just gets scared sometimes. When on the road, he lets the crowd affect him and he plays like a shook rookie.

[timvp]

The problem with Barry after his 85 years in the league is that he just gets scared sometimes. When on the road, he lets the crowd affect him and he plays like a shook rookie.

Holy crap, I didn't know how right timvp was.

Brent Barry hasn't scored a point on the road in the playoffs. Not one single point. That's ridiculously sick.

And to make it even sicker, he has scored in every single home game.

That proves once and for all that Barry gets scared. WTF is that? I'm floored by these findings.

On the road in the playoffs, zero points in 56 minutes.

At home in the playoffs, 24 points in 54 minutes.

I don't know what more to say. This is like I found the holy grail of timidness.

[whottt]

That's classic coming from you in the same post. You were all over my azz for being hard on Elson early in the playoffs. And when I said Oberto should play more, you scoffed at it.

Well you act like Elson is the worst player in history most of the time...when he isn't...however, in game 5, he just might have been.

Barry came in as a spot up shooter in Game 3 and turned that game around. He had the same role in Game 4 and played well. He again had the same role in Game 5 and pulled a classic Barry disappearance. He hasn't run point guard at all this series. You must be seeing things.

I see sometimes he gets to run and call plays, and sometimes he doesn't...sometimes he gets touches, and sometimes he just sits in the corner all night.

Last night they looked for him, and found him, but he wasn't touching the ball until it was shot time.

There's definitely a difference.

The problem with Barry after his 85 years in the league is that he just gets scared sometimes. When on the road, he lets the crowd affect him and he plays like a shook rookie.

So you say....

However, IIRC the best game of his Spurs career came in game 1 of the 05 WCF(or was it game 2?) on the road...you just don't get Barry's game, and never have. And you continually attribute to his heart and play, Pop's subs ions and minute rationing......

[whottt]

Come to think of it...you were the one saying Elson shouldn't be on the court in the Denver series and would be a factor in this one...I disagreed.

[whottt]

Holy crap, I didn't know how right timvp was.

Brent Barry hasn't scored a point on the road in the playoffs. Not one single point. That's ridiculously sick.

And to make it even sicker, he has scored in every single home game.

That proves once and for all that Barry gets scared. WTF is that? I'm floored by these findings.

On the road in the playoffs, zero points in 56 minutes.

At home in the playoffs, 24 points in 54 minutes.

I don't know what more to say. This is like I found the holy grail of timidness.

05 VS Phoenix....Game 1 on the road.


Point Disproved...emphatically.

You also tend to diss Manu's road ability...

PWNT.

[Obstructed_View]

Reality? You are the one who can't seem to actually watch the games as they are played...

Read. Watch. Learn.

Oh, really? Who won the series between smallball and the Mavericks again? I thought your defense was a bogus prediction of what might have happened otherwise, which is just a more severe degree of what ACTUALLY happened.

Get out of here with that . It's weaker than the Suns defending Amare.

[Obstructed_View]

Holy crap, I didn't know how right timvp was.

Really, because it seems like you are always on the ball to give him props when he happens to be correct. It's like you keep track of his posts so you can jump on his jock. You have kind of an unnatural thing for him, IMHO.

[gino>yourlife]

Jacque Vaughn
If it's possible to play a worse six minutes, I'd like to see it. Well, as long as it's on the other team. Vaughn was literally the best player for the Suns. It's gotten to the point that it's hard to watch when Vaughn is in the game. Please for the love of all that is holy, please stop shooting the ball, Jacque. Please?
Grade: F

fixed

[TampaDude]

Robert Horry
Horry's defense on Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw was fantastic. He kept both players in check single handedly. He didn't get many open shots tonight, but he made all the ones he took. Although he was seventh on the team in plus/minus at +0, his impact went beyond the numbers.
Grade: A

Classic!

[timvp]

fixed

The only thing worse than a Jacque Vaughn jumper that misses is a Jacque Vaughn jumper that he makes. That means we'll see another three possessions wasted because he's "confident".

[romsho]

The only thing worse than a Jacque Vaughn jumper that misses is a Jacque Vaughn jumper that he makes. That means we'll see another three possessions wasted because he's "confident".

Agreed. For me the "WTF" moment of the game happened late in the 4th quarter coming out of a timeout, and the play ends up being a Vaughn right top of the key jumper which clanked off the front rim. No timeout should ever result in a play ending in a Jacque Vaughn jumpshot.

[wildbill2u]

vaughn deserves a F------. his intentions are noble but he just doesn't have the talent to execute. he should facilitate the offense period. no jumpers and no wild drives to the basket.

Barry is called out as timid on the road, but at least he has some sense and doesn't try to take over the game if he isn't feeling it. He'll try hard on defense and concentrates on moving the ball on offense to the premiere players.

Vaughn on the other hand, doesn't have enough sense to pet a pig. He tries too hard to be an NBA player and only proves he isn't of that quality with every minute he plays.

A man's gotta know his limitations. Barry does, Vaughn doesn't.

[wildbill2u]

I think Bowen's grade could be a little higher, because not only did he hit the big 3 for us; he actually rebounded really well also!

Take note of why Bowen is getting a few more rebounds than usual--he's actually moving out of the cocoon over on the sideline for a change and getting some rebounds over by the paint and top of the circle.

And on defense, he's having to go to the middle to keep up with Nash and whoever else he's guarding.

Even a blind hog finds an acorn occasionally. These rebounds are literally dropping into his hands because he's there. And that's good--not negative.

[timvp]

Barry is called out as timid on the road, but at least he has some sense and doesn't try to take over the game if he isn't feeling it. He'll try hard on defense and concentrates on moving the ball on offense to the premiere players.

Vaughn on the other hand, doesn't have enough sense to pet a pig. He tries too hard to be an NBA player and only proves he isn't of that quality with every minute he plays.

A man's gotta know his limitations. Barry does, Vaughn doesn't.

Barry is 57,000 times the player Vaughn could ever wish to be. Vaughn is a decent third string point guard. That's where it ends.

[Obstructed_View]

Barry is 57,000 times the player Vaughn could ever wish to be. Vaughn is a decent third string point guard. That's where it ends.

Well put. One guy is there to take up space on the court while someone else rests, the other one is actually allowed to play.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

So.....................why not use Barry as backup PG (didn't we have this discussion in the playoffs during 2005....)

[whottt]

Yeah, we've been having it for years...

Pop'll figure it out around game 6 or 7 of the finals(again).


I hope.