No way we retire Finley's jersey in SA. It makes no sense. Finley didn't join the Spurs until he was largely considered over the hill and was simply a role-player during his entire tenure. And Fin's legacy with the Spurs could be as short as 2 or 3 years depending on when he wants to retire.
The only way I see the Spurs considering retiring his number is if they win multiple championships with him on board and Finley has multiple "Big Shot Rob" type moments. But for that to happen Finley will likely have to resign with us and put-off any further aging or slowing down. Possible...but not likely.
The guy made his bread and butter as a Maverick. He should be retired as a Maverick. If C Webb won a championship with the Detroit this year and retired would Detroit retire his jersey? No, that is for the Sixers to do.
Uhh, I was saying he wouldn't be expected to be the 2nd best player on the Mavs now. (monosylab1k said that was the reason he was let go in the first place - he was not meeting expectations).
Even you admit he would be a 6th man with the Mavs.
So, what changed Cuban's mind? And how much is he willing to spend for Finley?
I don't know why Michael Finley would consider returning to Dallas after the way that he was treated by that organization and its fan base during the 2005-06 season. He's become a vital part of a team that consistently plays for les and is greatly appreciated by his teammates, the organization, and its fans in San Antonio. Plus, he'd be a fool to opt-out of his contract at this point, since he can still collect another set of huge checks from Cuban while playing for Cube's biggest rival and, perhaps, wearing a championship ring that he will have earned if the Spurs get there.
And I think the tampering allegations are right. Even talking about the possibility of acquiring a player who is under contract with another team has generally been considered tampering. I'm at a loss to understand why Cuban would have considered himself immune from that rule in this case.
Re: Tampering -- just Cuban trying to start more involving the Spurs.
Finley was getting paid second best player money (probably closer to best player money) but wasn't playing like the second best player on the team. He was completely unaggressive, played no defense, and his shooting was incredibly streaky. It made sense to let him go. If he played as well as he had earlier in his career, or the way he's playing in SA, in this second best player role, he would never have been let go in the first place.
Now in SA, Finley makes clutch shots, plays some defense, and plays a little more aggressive in a reduced role. In this new role, he can be very effective. It would make sense to bring him back in this new role if he even wanted to come back.
No, he was let go to save $50 million in luxury tax payments.monosylab1ksaid that was the reason he was let go in the first place - he was not meeting expectations
Probably the fact that Finley can no longer command $18 million per year for his services, unlike the last contract he signed under the old CBA, and his skillset and age rules out heavy starter's minutes.So, what changed Cuban's mind? And how much is he willing to spend for Finley?
Yeah but if Finley had played his final year in Dallas the way he played earlier in his career and the way he's playing in SA now and was truly the second best player on the team, Cuban would have gladly eaten that 50 million. Finley's poor performance had alot to do with it.
I don't think even his play now warrants 17 mil a year. Do you?
So, how much is Finley worth? Will Cuban spend more than he's worth out of guilt?
San Antonio isn't paying him 17 mil a year tho. Cuban's gotta eat that money but the Spurs aren't paying him, or expecting him to perform, as a 17 mil a year player.
I'd say he's worth MLE money but no more than that.
My question is will Finley retire after his current contract, or will he try to play for a few more years into his late 30's?
If he wins a championship (or two), why would he want to play again after that? I'm sure the Spurs won't resign him at that age, and most other teams wouldn't be as appealing at that point. He wouldn't need the money. He might as well go out on top, right?
The way he is playing in San Antonio now is not 2nd star status. He gets open looks from the 3-point line because Duncan gets doubled and Parker/Manu can penetrate and kick. At best he is the Spurs' fourth-best player and for a good portion of the year he was getting fewer minutes than Barry, IIRC. I don't watch the Spurs as much as the Mavs but it doesn't look like he drives to the basket as much as in his prime. The funny irony is that he peaked in 99-00 and he signed his extension one year after that.
Exactly. Hindsight brings out the *smarts* in a lot of people around here, same people that were dissing him and calling him worthless here so don't talk about booing him in Dallas like he's always been embraced by Spurs fans. Anyway, I don't recall much *frosty* friction between Cuban/Finley and Finley is still well respected and loved by true Mavs fans who realize that his departure came about thanks to the luxury tax. It's easy to talk like the Mavs don't respect him but when you pay dollar for dollar for a guy who wasn't producing much the year before he left, then you'd be singing a different tune. That said, I will be very happy for Finley should he finally get his ring, no matter if he's not a current Maverick, he will always be a Maverick to most of us that watched him bring this team back from the thinner years. As fans, it's easy for us to sit back and root for our teams, diss other teams, hate on players, etc but this isn't always the case for players and staff members who have been together for a long time, it's not like they suddenly become enemies despite whatever fans like to imagine about them. Anyway, it's odd for Cuban to be making this statement, I'm more interested in wtf he was thinking?!??!?!!
Then the only real question is whether the Spurs match.
Equal money, Finley stays with Spurs. (or retires).
Oh, and ponky, please don't compare posters here to Arena fans in Dallas.
Posters here want to fire Pop after every loss. I've never heard Finley booed in SA....
We were lucky to get Finley for cheap. Even the most idiotic Spurs fan has to admit he's worth a couple mil, even when he sucks.
Yeah, we should bump the Finley sucks threads. Some Spurs fans are acting like he can do no wrong.Hindsight brings out the *smarts* in a lot of people around here, same people that were dissing him and calling him worthless here so don't talk about booing him in Dallas like he's always been embraced by Spurs fans.
True again. It was purely a business decision. The bandwagoners booed him last year but who cares? No franchise or fanbase wants to be defined by 14 yr old girls wearing pink Tim Duncan or Dirk jerseys.Anyway, I don't recall much *frosty* friction between Cuban/Finley and Finley is still well respected and loved by true Mavs fans who realize that his departure came about thanks to the luxury tax.
Yeah, Findog is the only reason for me to root for the Spurs this postseason. And don't deny it, the Spurs have a sizeable frontrunner segment in their fanbase that will go away when Duncan retires, they're obnoxious as and in my darker moments I smile about what Detroit might show against San Antonio.That said, I will be very happy for Finley should he finally get his ring, no matter if he's not a current Maverick, he will always be a Maverick to most of us that watched him bring this team back from the thinner years
Yeah he's not 2nd star or playing like one in San Antonio, but I was more referring to his whole at ude on the court. He just seemed lifeless in his final year in Dallas, jacking up jumpers and being a statue on defense. Now in SA, even if he's not as aggressive as he was in his prime, he just has alot of life in his legs and he's giving a crap on defense. I was more referring to his SA performace in the sense that he seems rejuvenated even if his body isn't at it's peak.
If he played with this same intensity during his final year in Dallas, and was alot more consistent and was truly the 2nd best player, he would never have been released.
I'm starting to think the Spurs might leave SA when Duncan retires...
admit it, you'll miss the rivalry.
they should
monosylab1k speaks the truth. Fin was a dissapointment in his last season as a maverick.
Yeah, the Spurs were a measuring stick in the leaner years, and we messed up the reunion in the conference finals, so sorry about that! When Tim Duncan said that was the best series he'd ever played in, and he had three rings when he made that remark, it's rare to see both teams play basketball at such a high level. Spurs-Lakers was like that too.
I don't know about that. I was at Game 3 of the Mavs/Spurs series last year, sitting in the upper deck, and Mavs' fans were booing Finley pretty lustily all night long. That was well before any of the Terry stuff started. I thought it was a pretty bush move by those who were there.
Then the only real question is whether the Spurs match.
Equal money, Finley stays with Spurs. (or retires).
Oh, and ponky, please don't compare posters here to Arena fans in Dallas.
Posters here want to fire Pop after every loss. I've never heard Finley booed in SA....
We were lucky to get Finley for cheap. Even the most idiotic Spurs fan has to admit he's worth a couple mil, even when he sucks.
Oh that's right, Spurs fans don't go to their games or even sell out playoff games, my bad. Spin it anyway you want, there are plenty of lukewarm Spurs fans even if the more fanatical side of your fanbase exists in this forum. People that boo Avery in San Antonio are the same kind of people that boo Finley in Dallas, casual fans who don't appreciate a guy for the time he played with the team.
I know I was frustrated with Finley at the beginning of the season. But unlike many others who wanted him gone, I knew he'd break out of it. Plus, Barry was on fire so Finley had time to get his flow back. I also knew that we needed him to step up in the playoffs like he did against the Mavs last year.
You can't say that there wasn't any malicious intent when Finley left because while it was a business decision, Cuban was the one encouraging fans to boo Finley when he returned, as if he scorned the club and not the other way around.
Cuban just needs his name in the public now that his Mavs are out, so he went as far as to tamper with another team to get attention. If Finely wants to go back to the Mavs, that's his decision. But for now, he's a Spur (this year and next), and he's helping in a big way with his timely 3 point shooting. That's all I care about right now.
Depends on who is making the tamales.Plus, after the first month of this season, I'm sure you guys would have given him away for a plate of tamales.
As I said earlier, bottom line, if Cuban and Holt offer Finley equal money, Finley will either stay a Spur or retire.
Book it.
I would never do something like that. But I know what you're talking about -- whenever I attend a Mavericks game, I want to kick half the people I see in the teeth. I'm so ashamed at some of the people that have come crawling out of the woodwork to see a winner -- go back to Texas Stadium where you belong.
Also, does anybody have some old Dallas Chapparal links? Google images don't return anything, and the following is what I've been doing to keep myself entertained since I have about a good solid 30 minutes of work to do everyday at the govt agency I work for. Your tax dollars in action!
http://flickr.com/photos/fashionable...7600237264094/
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