Kevin Garnett vs. Tim Duncan

[Strike]

your subjetivity is so much that you all duncan's ass suckers are completely blind

Career Numbers

TD: 21.8 PPG, 11.9 RPG, 3.2 APG, 2.5 BPG, 50.9 FG%
KG: 20.5 PPG, 11.4 RPG, 4.5 APG, 1.7 BPG, 49.0 FG%

So yeah, with the exception of ONE CATEGORY, Duncan has Garnett beat across the board. The numbers ain't "completely blind."

I just got

[anonymous coward]

How are Championship Rings and MVP awards not worth factoring in? And learn to spell, dropout.

for 12432 time, my first language is spanish and im not american.

i guees i have to repeat....the rings are a collective award.

the only worthy award for measurement is the regular seasson one.

no collective award (ring)= no finals mvp

[Jockularity!]

the only worthy award for measurement is the regular seasson one.

Well, if that's the case to back-up the previous information I gave you, why don't we try this:

No. of MVPs
TD: 2
KG: 1

Yet another category that Duncan has Garnett trumped.

[ChumpDumper]

for 12432 time, my first language is spanish and im not american.

i guees i have to repeat....the rings are a collective award.

the only worthy award for measurement is the regular seasson one.

no collective award (ring)= no finals mvp

All of Duncan's career stats are higher than Garnett's except for assists and steals.

And Garnett has averaged more minutes per game over his career.

How exactly is Garnett so much better?

[ChumpDumper]

Oh yeah, I forgot.

Flashy stats!

[FromWayDowntown]

The argument is beyond asinine. I don't even have to go to per40's or per48's to prove that Duncan is statistically dominant over Garnett in almost every major category -- and particularly in categories like rebounding:

Start at the very beginning, for his career, Garnett has played in 2 more seasons than Duncan and, at the end of the 2006-07 regular season, had played almost 8,000 more minutes than Duncan in NBA games. (KG - 35,536; TD - 27,964). Over their shared careers, Duncan has played more Minutes per game than Garnett only twice (1998-99; 2001-02). Over the courses of their respective careers, Duncan has played 37.5 mpg to Garnett's 38.3 mpg. So, Garnett has been on the floor more -- giving him, in his own special way, more time to roll up numbers.

You'd think, then, that KG would have some pretty big leads on Duncan in major categories.

You'd, of course, be wrong.

Timmy is the better scorer, having averaged 21.83 ppg for his career over Garnett's 20.54. Tim is 29th all-time in PPG; Garnett is 44th.

Tim is the better shooter from the field, having shot .509 for his career to Garnett's .491.

Timmy is also the better rebounder, in terms of rebounds per game, offensive rebounds per game, defensive rebounds per game, and rebound rate. Tim grabs 11.88 rpg for his career (18th all-time), Garnett gets 11.37 (21st all-time). Tim has better offensive rebounding numbers per game (3.2 to 2.8) and better defensive rebounding numbers (8.7 to 8.6). And Timmy's rebound rate ("an estimate of the percentage of missed shots a player rebounded while he was on the floor") is 18.28 (16th all-time) to Garnett's 17.17 (42nd all-time). Garnett is the better rebounder, my eye.

Not surprisingly, Timmy is the better shot blocker, too. Tim gets 2.47 blocks per game (14th all-time) while KG gets 1.70 blocks per game (36th all-time).

Ultimately, Garnett -- the fantasy dream -- actually does worse than Duncan when comparing more universal metrics like PER, too. Duncan's career PER is 25.17 (6th all-time); Garnett's is 23.84 (15th all-time).

So, where does that leave us. Clearly, Garnett is a better free throw shooter (.780 to .680). He's a better percentage shooter from 3 (.289 to .197). He gets about an assist per game more than Duncan (4.5 to 3.2). And he gets about half a steal more per game than Duncan (1.4 to .8).

That's an impressive array of numbers to back up an argument that Garnett is as good or better than Tim Duncan. I'm truly blown away.

[Jockularity!]

Oh yeah, I forgot.

Flashy stats!

KG owns No. of ty Gatorade and adidas commercials!

[Jockularity!]

The argument is beyond asinine.

I'm not going to quote the whole thing, but...PURE OWNAGE, in every conceivable fashion.

[duncan228]

Are we done with the conversation now?

[dimsah]

Awesome job FWD!
That should be good enough to kill this argument until the same time next year.

[Jockularity!]

Awesome job FWD!
That should be good enough to kill this argument until the same time next year when Kevin Garnett is doing what he does best in the month of May: not playing basketball.

Elaborated.

[samikeyp]

KG is a better athlete

Tim Duncan is a better basketball player.



Next.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

The argument is beyond asinine. I don't even have to go to per40's or per48's to prove that Duncan is statistically dominant over Garnett in almost every major category -- and particularly in categories like rebounding:

Start at the very beginning, for his career, Garnett has played in 2 more seasons than Duncan and, at the end of the 2006-07 regular season, had played almost 8,000 more minutes than Duncan in NBA games. (KG - 35,536; TD - 27,964). Over their shared careers, Duncan has played more Minutes per game than Garnett only twice (1998-99; 2001-02). Over the courses of their respective careers, Duncan has played 37.5 mpg to Garnett's 38.3 mpg. So, Garnett has been on the floor more -- giving him, in his own special way, more time to roll up numbers.

You'd think, then, that KG would have some pretty big leads on Duncan in major categories.

You'd, of course, be wrong.

Timmy is the better scorer, having averaged 21.83 ppg for his career over Garnett's 20.54. Tim is 29th all-time in PPG; Garnett is 44th.

Tim is the better shooter from the field, having shot .509 for his career to Garnett's .491.

Timmy is also the better rebounder, in terms of rebounds per game, offensive rebounds per game, defensive rebounds per game, and rebound rate. Tim grabs 11.88 rpg for his career (18th all-time), Garnett gets 11.37 (21st all-time). Tim has better offensive rebounding numbers per game (3.2 to 2.8) and better defensive rebounding numbers (8.7 to 8.6). And Timmy's rebound rate ("an estimate of the percentage of missed shots a player rebounded while he was on the floor") is 18.28 (16th all-time) to Garnett's 17.17 (42nd all-time). Garnett is the better rebounder, my eye.

Not surprisingly, Timmy is the better shot blocker, too. Tim gets 2.47 blocks per game (14th all-time) while KG gets 1.70 blocks per game (36th all-time).

Ultimately, Garnett -- the fantasy dream -- actually does worse than Duncan when comparing more universal metrics like PER, too. Duncan's career PER is 25.17 (6th all-time); Garnett's is 23.84 (15th all-time).

So, where does that leave us. Clearly, Garnett is a better free throw shooter (.780 to .680). He's a better percentage shooter from 3 (.289 to .197). He gets about an assist per game more than Duncan (4.5 to 3.2). And he gets about half a steal more per game than Duncan (1.4 to .8).

That's an impressive array of numbers to back up an argument that Garnett is as good or better than Tim Duncan. I'm truly blown away.

I think we should ing frame this post and send it to the er that wrote the article in question! Who's with me?

[samikeyp]

There you go again FWD, using facts again!

[ChumpDumper]

Kevin Garnett has flashed more people than Tim Duncan!

[FromWayDowntown]

Well, and KG leads the rivalry in buffoon-like smack talking. Timmy so badly owned him that day that KG tried to light into Duncan and Timmy just started laughing.

It's truly a Spurs moment that I'll never forget.

[resistanze]

Duncan: Statistically superior, multiple championships and Finals MVPs.
Garnett: Came out of a basketball and drank Gatorade.

Garnett > Duncan

[E20]

I'm not going to even read this, I can't believe this came up again.

I'll just make a list of what TD has over KG.

- MVPs
- Rings
- Final MVPs
- More accolades (Playoff berths, WCF champs, All-NBA, All-Defense etc. This list goes on)
- Career stats
- More credibility
- This list goes on.


KG however has style over TD. So, jersey sales go in KG's favor.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Kevin Garnett vs. Tim Duncan: A Comparison of Two of the League's Best Big Men
Posted May 17th 2007 7:00AM by Nate Jones
Filed under: Timberwolves, Spurs, Western



Recently there have been a lot of articles comparing Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett. ESPN's Bill Simmon's thinks Duncan's better, while stat guru David Beri seems to think Garnett is better. In addition, TrueHoop reader and Marketing Professor, Kenneth Wilbur seems to think the Duncan is better.

Here's my opinion: Kevin Garnett is the more talented player, but as of now, Tim Duncan is the better player. My reason for this falls along the same line as Wilbur's. Basically I believe Duncan is a better player because he utilizes his talents in a more efficient manner than KG.

Kevin Garnett is a better rebounder, passer, and defender than Tim Duncan. He is also a better athlete with a more complete offensive game.(ROFL) But unlike Duncan, Garnett refuses to utilize his best offensive weapon. Kevin Garnett is just as unstoppable on the low post as Tim Duncan.(ROFL) Yet Garnett doesn't utilize the low post as an offensive weapon the way Duncan does.



Sometimes, even with a player as talented as Garnett, it's necessary to sacrifice other parts of your game in order to enhance another more important part of it. For example, Garnett can hit a twenty foot jump shot. Although not as consistent as Garnett's, Duncan also has a pretty nice jumper. Yet Duncan has sacrificed showing some of his versatility in favor of what works best for winning. When KG sits out there on the perimeter he is a less efficient player. On the perimeter he takes lower percentage shots and is not in a position where he can draw double teams, capture offensive boards, and set up teammates. And as Wilbur pointed out, it's easier for defenders to rotate off of Garnett on to driving players when Garnett is not in the post. However, when Garnett is on the post, not only can you not help off of him, but you will undoubtedly have to double team him each and every time, opening up the game for the players around him.

Basically the greatest tragedy of Garnett's career might be the fact that no coach has forced him to commit to the low post. Watch film of Garnett (not you tube, because all they have are dunks on there) and you'll quickly find out what I mean about him on the low block. He's an absolute beast down there. I mean, he has the footwork, the length, the strength, and the athleticism to kill anyone on the mid to low block. Plus one of the best post players of all-time (Kevin McHale) taught him a whole slew of post moves.

Yes things could have been helped for Garnett if he had better teammates (even though, in my opinion, his teammates aren't really as bad as they are made out to be). But believe me, there's no way a player as dynamic as Garnett should have missed the playoffs three years in a row. All that tells me is that he is not putting his stamp on games in an efficient manner.

If you still don't feel what I'm trying to convey compare Duncan and KG's shot charts from this season. Duncan took 752 shots (out of 1,131 total shots on the season) in the deep low post, making .613 of his shots, while Garnett only took 451 shots (out of 1,341 totals shots on the season) in that area, converting on .581 of his shots.

So you see, Garnett and Duncan both shoot about 60% on the low block, but Garnett doesn't utilize this unstoppable part of his game the same way Duncan does. Duncan takes 66% of his field goal attempts from the low block while KG only takes 34% of his shots from down there.

Basically, if KG wants to win, he'll learn to utilize his talents more efficiently and get his butt down on the block. But until then, I'll have to say that Tim is the better player.

This pisses me off so much. More than reading a suns fan actually or listening to Mark Cuban.

Way to beat the dead horse man. KG is just incapable of taking his team to a playoff for more "role" player they are.

This individual is ing idiot.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

I think we should ing frame this post and send it to the er that wrote the article in question! Who's with me?

I'm with you. Let's kill this .

[E20]

I just glanced at the article above me and in the third paragraph it said some stuff which I will not post and I immediatley started thinking this:

BS. Don't waste time looking at it anymore.

[Spurs>mavs]

Tim Duncan is a better PLayer

KG is a better athlete

[nkdlunch]

Garnett still plays in the NBA?

[Jockularity!]

Garnett still plays in the NBA?

Only from November to early April.

[ducks]

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