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I wasn't gloating... if you were talking to me...
DAMN FISHER, wish we could play him again to get revenge........OH WAIT.
I wasn't gloating... if you were talking to me...
Would like to clear up somethings to fans unfamiliar with the Spurs:
a) Ginobili was hard-fouled (flagrant 1) by the Nuggets in the 1st round, and nobody left the bench. So no, not everybody leaves the bench when your team's best (or one of the best) player got hit.
b) The Nuggets series was much more physical than the Suns series, nobody whined about dirty play because neither teams are soft like the Suns.
c) Duncan and the rest of the Spurs hardly whines about calls in the playoffs anymore, because Popovich puts a lid on that, even though the Suns, an perimeter based team, outshot the Spurs, an inside oriented team, 2-1 at the FT line. On the other hand, D'antoni encourages through leading by example. How he escaped the series w/o a T is beyond me. Besides, Nash was on a warpath in Game 6, and nobody ever talks about that.
I think it's fairly bush league to kick other teams' fans when they're down. And undoubtedly, Suns fans are down right now. Spurs fans have been through some of the highest of highs and some of the lowest of lows in the last few years; of all fan groups, you'd think that ours would be at least somewhat sympathetic to what Suns fans are going through at the moment. I think sometimes that there's a lack of understanding of that sort of context that leads to the sort of name-calling silliness that we see around this forum from time to time.
It was a great series. It was a shame that either team had to lose. But, in the end, I'm convinced that the better team won the series.
Along the same lines, I'm dismayed by the willingness of some Suns fans to discredit the Spurs' accomplishment in winning that series. I think that unwillingness -- the failure to respect the Spurs' victory -- is what breeds so much of the hostility. I can't convince a lot Suns fans to believe that they weren't screwed over; and I can't convince a lot Suns fans that the Spurs were the better team in that series. But I don't think it does much good for the hope of finding civility for Suns fans to continually diminish the Spurs' accomplishment and to maintain that there's somehow no doubt that the Suns' would have won the series sans the perfectly valid suspensions.
Frankly, I feel their pain, even if I don't buy their arguments.
I hope that the good Suns' fans will stay in our midst and continue to talk basketball. Diverse viewpoints always make for good arguments.
If they're whining, I'm gloating.
Basketball message boards have to be the most hateful types of forums on the internet.
Why can't we all just get along?
Imagine living in the same town as these whiny losers. You think the fans are bad, listen to the talk radio. The Suns never lose, they are always stolen from.
The board in question is just a place for idiots. I lurk there because I'm a Dbax fan. I did love laughing at their misery though. This Chandler Mike is a whiny ass nerd. Go read some of his posts, he jacks off to anything any of the chicks over there say.
The banning over there is ridiculous. They banned Spurs fans for being smart. Yet, they all claim to beat up other fans. You guys ever read some posts by that illeterate idiot who threatens to fight fans in one post then posts how he loves everybody in the next.
Hate, hate, and more hate.
After how their team acted and how much they spewed? Yeah ing right. They got what they deserved -a second round playoff exit.
I agree to some extent. Their whining is the reason for the contempt, at least in my case. If they had taken the loss with humility, and perhaps ed about the rule instead of insulting the Spurs' integrity, then I honestly would not hold any grudge. They are a great team, ing and whining aside.
Mike, you really do seem like a stand up dude, but you're trying to excuse bull behavior. Its alright to feel like after losing a series like that, but Suns fans didn't have to crap all over the Spurs because of it.
I still think your board is way too strict, you should really lighten up on the banning. Other than that, I hope you find it in yourself to stick around and discuss basketball here. Like someone before said, knowledgeable Suns fans are always welcome. I know you don't like all the profanity going around in this board, and thats understandable, it really is, but we have some insightful posters here that don't resort to insults to make their point. I for one have to work on thatbut some things get on my nerves, and the cursing just comes natural. Either way, hope you stay.
So you just want sympathy? Understanding? Pity? For acting childish and pathetic? Tough. Grow up.
Okay. I'll bite. Why exactly would the league be interested in cheating to hold
the Suns down? Why? You say they want to. Why?
Read some Jazz fan posts and try to soak up some tips on class.
Chandler Mike has a point but, when a franchise somehow makes the entire nation and media turn on you, it's hard to let them go.
Spurs fans, Spurs fans, Spurs fans, I have lived in Phoenix all of my life and am very much a SUNS fan. This is the hardest year I can remember being a fan. It just plain hurts, BECAUSE WE GOT SCREWED!!!
Im not here to change your mind.(dont believe me) I love the NBA. I dont blame the Spurs(or their fans). I hate the double standard!! By now the SUNS fans are ready to overcome!
I even like Stern. for the most part. I believe he makes a basketball first decision 98% of the time. If you wanna bash me for being a SUNS fan, I understand. Lets look at things the way they are. Because of a play that went after our MVP by Robert Horry. (who the SUNS hate any way) The SUNS got penalized more than called for. I wanted a sreies that was as pure as possible and I think the only way to achieve that was a game seven. If the SUNS lost in a game seven when all players were there, believe me or not we wouldnt feel as slighted.
SUNS in 2008!!! I sound like a CARDS fan. GO SUNS!!!
Like NASH said " NOW WE WILL NEVER KNOW"
Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile, we'll see you in 2008 sans Marion.
They were penalized exactly according to what was called for.The SUNS got penalized more than called for.The only way to achieve that was for Amare and Boris to not break the rules.I wanted a sreies that was as pure as possible and I think the only way to achieve that was a game seven.
Stay near the bench.
What about a loss in game 6, game 1, game 3..when your whole squad was there.If the SUNS lost in a game seven when all players were there, believe me or not we wouldnt feel as slighted.
SUNS in 2008!!! I sound like a CARDS fan. GO SUNS!!!
that wasnt convincing?
Totally agree thereI wish I could say the same about your coach
I actually was very worried that the Suns were in trouble facing the Spurs before the series started. Honestly, I didn't think we could win. But winning on the road in Game 4 changed that for me. I thought maybe we had gotten over the hump against you guys, cause you freaking OWN us
So the suspensions coming really was a kick in the nuts.
And you guys might have won anyways, who knows. I agree there.
I agree man. The spurs barely beat a suns team in game 5 without 2 key players. I think they could've made the difference and I like the suns chances at home in game 7.
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I'd ban you over there too for a post like this
The fans will get over it sooner than the networks. ESPN and Fox Sports just can't seem to let it go. They must be riding on some kind of nationwide fan sentiment. If only other fans weren't allowed to have opinion, then everything would be peachy.
Like ChumpDumper said, what you think is irrelevant. One other way to achieve a pure series was for Amare and Diaw to maintain their cool and stay in the vicinity of the bench. Other teams manage to do that -- I'm not entirely sure why Suns fans believe that their team is somehow en led to special treatment from the league. Had Amare and Diaw done what they were supposed to -- had they done what players on every other team somehow manage to do when altercations occur -- the only penalty inflicted on the play would have been Horry's ejection/suspension. Instead, two young players acted foolishly and now an entire fan base believes that the league should have bailed them out.
I've asked this before, and I'll ask it again:
1. Had it been Piatkowski and Jumaine Jones who got up and raced towards Nash, would you have been so insistent that suspensions weren't warranted?
2. Had the Suns been up 3 games to 1 (or had the Spurs been up 3 games to 1), would you have been so insistent that the suspensions weren't warranted?
I don't think penalties should be doled out based on who's involved in the incident and when the incident occurs. Maybe I'm wrong -- maybe the league should treat important players differently than role players. I don't think that's a particularly good policy. Maybe the league should assess a mandatory penalty differently if someone makes a subjective judgment that the game in question is too important to a team's chances. Again, though, I'm not a big fan of asking the league to make exceptions because of the cir stances.
It's a simple rule -- stay near the bench when there's an altercation. Every team knows it; most players on most teams don't violate it. In every altercation, there will be an instigator who is in the wrong. Here it was Horry (perhaps). But the fact that the instigator is on the other team doesn't give players carte blanche to violate a rule that is consistently applied across the league.
As much as I feel your pain, Suns fans, I don't understand your incessant whining.
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