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    chris paul right now is not better then tp
    latter maybe
    Okay. That is the definition of a blind homer. I don't care what sort of All Star game politics keep him out and Parker in, he's better than Parker too. Not by a mile, but decisively better.

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    Look at the players that Paul plays with and look at the Players Parker plays with, there is no comparsion. WHat do you think Paul could do with players like Manu, Duncan, Finley and Barry!
    I think he wold score and assist less in the Spurs' system with Spurs' players.

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    Parker can drive either direction and finish with either hand. Parker has remarkbale footwork in the paint where he can get off a shot over/around even an accomplished shot blocker. Parker has an actual feel for the game, pace, involves other players. Parker can stay in front of virtually anyone. He can be body bumped or forearm off a player to clear spae but he stays in front of them into the paint where it's help defenses turn. Parker is also tenacious and on swtiches where he's stuck on a big he wins the battle more often than not. And unlike Harris his outside shot has shown considerable improvement.

    Right now there is talk of whether Dallas should bother keeping Harris, is he ever going to pan out as their PG. Any talk like that from the Spurs? Comparing Harris to Parker is ridiculous.

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    He might score less, but he would have more assists. He could he average less assists with the Spurs having better scorers than the Hornets?
    Obviously yes, since the offense runs through Duncan.

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    Right now there is talk of whether Dallas should bothe keeping Harris, is he ever going to pan out as their PG. Any talk like that from the Spurs. Comparing Harris to Parker is ridiculous.
    Their games are similar but Parker is what Harris should hope to be someday. Only comparison I'm making is that Harris' skillset and style of play reminds me of Parker. Of course I think Parker is better than him now.

    And I remember quite a bit of dissatisfaction on the part of fans and the team regarding Parker. They won a le with Parker and still wanted to give Kidd a max deal. I'll give him credit, he has shored up a lot of his weaknesses and he's no longer inconsistent in his play. Harris is simply at an earlier point in his career.

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    The ball doesn't go to Duncan on every single play in the game.
    More than it does all the big men in New Orleans put together.
    Chris Paul loves to drive and kick to the open teammates. Parker had 14 assists because he found the open man. If he can do that consistently then he will be a true point guard.
    He was being doubled off picks last night, so there was an open man. If he's doubled off picks consistently there will be more open men.

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    It's funny coming on here...one minute people want to trade Manu because he has a bad series and say he sucks!; next minute everyone thinks TP is the best point guard in the Nba. Let's be objective here!
    Who wants to trade Manu during the playoffs?

    TP is definintely on of the most complete points out there as was stated. It's not his fault he's playing with THE best power forward to play the game.

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    Harris has stalled, one ofthe reasons Dallas is questioning whether he's the man. Parker progressed every year and is still progressing.

    I don't know whos better, Parker, Paul, Williams. I know their all great and dangerous. But one thing that's differnt for Parker is he doesn't have the ball in his hands 75% of the time like Paul, Williams, Nash, Kidd, and not necessarily because he's not capable. It's because Pop likes a multi-pronged attack, sometimes with ball movement, sometimes going to Duncan to make something happen, Sometimes Manu and somtimes Parker. Spurs have one of te most versatile, unpredicatable, complete offenses in the league, maybe the most (sure is boring). And that's by design, teams can't focus on one or two areas like the Spurs can against most other teams like the Suns, Lakers, Jazz.

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    Harris has stalled, one ofthe reasons Dallas is questioning whether he's the man. Parker progressed every year and is still progressing.

    I don't know whos better, Parker, Paul, Williams. I know their all great and dangerous. But one thing that's differnt for Parker is he doesn't have the ball in his hands 75% of the time like Paul, Williams, Nash, Kidd, and not necessarily because he's not capable. It's because Pop likes a multi-pronged attack, sometimes with ball movement, sometimes going to Duncan to make something happen, Sometimes Manu and somtimes Parker. Spurs have one of te most versatile, unpredicatable, complete offenses in the league, maybe the most (sure is boring). And that's by design, teams can't focus on one or two areas like the Spurs can against most other teams like the Suns, Lakers, Jazz.
    Yeah, Parker is a good fit for Spurs. In this offense, they need a point who can score and be effective without the ball. On top of that you have to play defense and not mind getting yelled at until you master it all. Point guards with those qualities are a rare breed.

    Without looking at it at a Spurs point of view, you can say Paul, Williams, Nash, Kidd, etc. are better. But when you think how they'd fit in under Pop and in this system, that's a different story.

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    So the reason that Tony doesn't average 9 assists is because the ball goes into him most of the game?
    It's certainly a factor. Why would it not be?
    It has nothing to do with the fact the Tony is a scoring guard. He admits he would rather shoot than pass.
    He is told to shoot rather than pass by Pop as well, and Pop designed the offense to go through Duncan.
    And you believe that most teams play don't double Duncan when they have a chance?
    Please rephrase that so we can understand what you are trying to say.
    When Manu had the bad series against Denver and those couple of bad games against the Suns, a lot of idiots on here wanted him traded or benched!
    There are idiots everywhere.

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    So the reason that Tony doesn't average 9 assists is because the ball goes into him most of the game? It has nothing to do with the fact the Tony is a scoring guard. He admits he would rather shoot than pass. And you believe that most teams play don't double Duncan when they have a chance?
    What does double Duncan and Parker's assists have to do with each other?

    When Manu had the bad series against Denver and those couple of bad games against the Suns, a lot of idiots on here wanted him traded or benched!
    What does Manu have to do with a Parker conversation?

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    This team isn't built around Parker...

    Say what you want, but the Spurs are a much better team than the Hornets...and Parker is part of the reason for that.

    I mean we added him in 2001 and it's been an upgrade since day 1...an upgrade to a championship team.


    If Parker were the best player on his team and it was built around him, he'd have much better numbers.

    Duncan has literally nothing to do with Parker's FG%...that's all Parker, that's his skill.


    This Spurs team is built around Duncan and Manu primarily...Parker knows this, and accepts this is not his time(a huge intangible with Parker that a lot of players, especially PG's lack).

    The way that Tim Duncan helps Parker is...

    A. Championships.
    B. Helps his D in the paint.
    C. Leadership by example, not by mouth.


    Duncan does little or nothing to boost Parker's individual numbers...numbers not backed by wins does not impress me. I don't care how spectacular they are.

    A dude leading the NBA in scoring for a last place team means ...

    A dude scoring 28ppg for a champion means much more.


    Parker is under-rated...but that's ok, he's so much younger than Duncan and Manu his time will come...he'll have his monster seasons, but he like us, knows that the les probably won't be coming every year when it does happen...nontheless...smart hoops fan knows Parker is an extremely efficient basketball player...who gets better every year.

    I'd say Parker has the most potential because he's the one that consistently shows the ability to improve weaker aspects of his game. Potential does squat if he can't reach it....just because Parker can and has started to reach it, doesn't mean he's got less of it to reach.

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    Williams is more skilled, but the fact that Parker plays good defense puts him on top. I'd take Parker over anyone aside from Kidd on the Spurs.

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    People think that since the Ball goes into Duncan a lot that hurts Parkers Assist ratio.
    Duncan's dribbling the ball after he gets a pass hurts everyone else's assist numbers. Bruce Bowen would probably lead the team in assists if Duncan went straight into every shot from the post.

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    Since Parker is easily the better defender, he's probably the better player right this moment. But it's tough to compare the Spurs apple to the Jazz orange.
    Williams in his second year is better, in my view, than Parker in his second year. I think he makes better decisions than Parker did at that stage.

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    People think that since the Ball goes into Duncan a lot that hurts Parkers Assist ratio.
    It does because you don't get an assist for passing the ball into the post.

    I brought Manu in the conversation saying some people should just be objective: meaning some people one minute want say Manu is finished because of a bad series and then the next minute annoint Parker as the best point guard!
    I don't see many of those Trade Manu posters in this thread.

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    Oh and Chris Paul appears to be an excellent PG...but I think his numbers would drop if he was on the same team with Manu and especially Tim. I think Parker's numbers would go up on the Hornets. And I think his shooting PCT would be almost as good as it is now....

    Duncan aint the reason Parker has that tear drop, one of the best finishing moves in the NBA.

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    Look at the players that Paul plays with and look at the Players Parker plays with, there is no comparsion. WHat do you think Paul could do with players like Manu, Duncan, Finley and Barry!
    Have the ball in his hands about one half as often at best. Duncan is primarily a ball in the hands player and Manu s most effetive creating as well though he can also spot up shoot.

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    Williams in his second year is better, in my view, than Parker in his second year. I think he makes better decisions than Parker did at that stage.
    A) Williams is two years older than Parker was his second year.

    B) The Spurs won a championship in Parker's second year, so he must have done something right along the way.

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    The Spurs won a championship in Parker's second year, so he must have done something right along the way.
    I seem to recall Speedy bailing Tony out in the Finals and the Spurs going after Jason Kidd...

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    tony parker will never be the pg that deron williams is now...parker is a pure scorer...deron has everything u need in a pg..handles,vision, excellent passing ability, and he can spread the floor with a 3 and shoot from anywhere on the court...parker just has pure speed..probally one of the best at finishing at the basket...parker could score like 22pts a game for a season and that will be his best year...williams will most likely have a 20&10 career average when its said and done...

    I would like to go on record saying that no way -- no how will dude finish his career with 20 and 10 averages -- no way.

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    I seem to recall Speedy bailing Tony out in the Finals and the Spurs going after Jason Kidd...
    Yeah because the other 99 games didn't mean anything...

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    Waiting for ploto to say something positive about the Spurs since loverboy was canned North.

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    I seem to recall Speedy bailing Tony out in the Finals
    I remember the Nets putting a bigger defender on Parker and Speedy destroying Kidd as badly as Parker had because the Nets didn't bother to keep switching.

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    I remember the Nets putting a bigger defender on Parker and Speedy destroying Kidd as badly as Parker had because the Nets didn't bother to keep switching.

    i don't remember that. I remember Parker getting used every year in the playoffs and Pop resorting to the back up PG to save the day -- Beno -- Speedy - Steve Kerr.

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