P.J. Carlesimo to Grizzlies?

[texasqb2]

If we lose PJ..I'd like us to nab Rick Carlisle....Pop offered him the job when the Pistons got rid of him a few years back

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Either way, we should have known about those two talents. And we ing skipped Josh Howard. He fell into our laps, when most people projected him in the 14-16 range; Everyone on the board was clamoring to draft him. It was a monumental up to let him pass, especially when we have Pop and Tim on record as pushing for the team to draft J Howard.

They knew about Howard, and someone overrode Pop on that one. There are only two people with the seniority to do that. RC and Holt, and I've met Holt. He leaves the scouting up to the Spurs. He may nickel and dime on occasion but he doesn't presume to interfere with the scouting.

No one disagrees about missing on Howard. Again though, Pop is just as culpable for the decision to trade that pick to Phoenix as R.C. People like to protect him and pretend that it was big bad R.C. who told Pop to stuff it when it came time to potentially draft Howard, and that's just ridiculous.

That was a group decision made at the top. It's well do ented that Tim liked Howard, but the fact is they were still eyeing bigger prizes in Kidd, O'Neal, etc.

Howard didn't fall into our laps because we had already made the deal with Phoenix for cap room to trade the pick and get Barbosa for them.

Sure, R.C. is partially to blame for what happened June 2003, but let's not pretend other front office folks (including Pop) weren't in on the decision.

[SilverPlayer]

Sure, R.C. is partially to blame for what happened June 2003, but let's not pretend other front office folks (including Pop) weren't in on the decision.

It's pure supposition on your part as it is on mine as to how how the blame should fall. RC though must have been the negating factor in the decision making process. For that he should be scrutinized.

But regardless, the argument is not that RC is bad, it's whether or not Presti is better?
Is Presti capable of doing the job?
Does he have a better eye for talent?
One bad move can ruin a franchise for a long time...How long should we wait until Duncan's prime is passed before we start to look at fielding a younger team?
Will losing Presti be worse than losing RC?

To me, RC doesn't have the best eye for talent and team building. Presti seems to fill that requirement better and that would seem to be 95% of the qualification for the GM position.

[ploto]

For the record- RC loved Beno and took Pop to Chicago to see him.

As to PJ- I do not think that Memphis will go with that rigid of a style of coach after their recent experiences.

[SilverPlayer]

For the record- RC loved Beno and took Pop to Chicago to see him.

That's pretty damning.

Net Negatives
1) So Josh Howard/ Barbosa are one strike against RC.
2) Beno. But hey he has the talent so 1/2 strike.
3) not working it out with Stephen Jackson.
4) Getting rid of Malik our main weapon against Dallas.
5) Not knowing Scola's buy out clause.
6) Let go of Devin Brown
7) Didn't resign Devin Brown
8) Let Go of AD- who would have been our best backup PG for the last half decade.


Positives
1) Jackie Butler was a shrewd contractual move even if he doesn't pan out.
2) Horry and Finley but they don't really count. I think having Pop and Duncan here meant more to them than RC.
3) Got rid of some bad contracts (Rasho)
4) James White (if RC had a hand in scouting him)
5) Steve Kerr the second time
6) Chip Engelland
7) Hedo - it was a net positive in that we got him for nothing.

Who's fault are the following? They were stopgap measures that really didn't fit our needs.
1) Fransico Elson is another failed stopgap at this point.
2) Brent Barry - is he a negative or net positive I'm still not sure
3) Nazr - maybe he put us over the top of Detroit, or maybe not having Malik put us short of Dallas.
4) Nick the not so quick.
5) Glen Robinson
6) Ron Mercer
7) Anthony Carter
8) Mike Wilks

[ggoose25]

Nazr was a great move. For one season

[SilverPlayer]

Nazr was a great move. For one season

I agree at some level, but maybe losing Malik wasn't worth it. Not that Malik has been good since he left, but he might have made two points of a difference last year against Dallas. Who knows.

[SilverPlayer]

All in all I miss the days when we were bringing in players like Malik, AD, Kevin Willis, Mario Ellie, Stephen Jackson, Bruce Bowen, Jerome Kersey, and Will Perdue.

We've replaced that with days where we bring in players like Brent Barry, Hedo, Beno, Rasho, Fransico Elson, Matt Bonner.

We used to value toughness when Popovich called all the shots, and I understand he can't do both jobs again. But RC hasn't been the genius we first thought him to be. He's shrewd, he's handled the salary cap with absolute master strokes, but his moves have been for lesser players, that haven't been the best choices available at the time.

[ese]

All in all I miss the days when we were bringing in players like Malik, AD, Kevin Willis, Mario Ellie, Stephen Jackson, Bruce Bowen, Jerome Kersey, and Will Perdue.

We've replaced that with days where we bring in players like Brent Barry, Hedo, Beno, Rasho, Fransico Elson, Matt Bonner.

We used to value toughness when Popovich called all the shots, and I understand he can't do both jobs again. But RC hasn't been the genius we first thought him to be. He's shrewd, he's handled the salary cap with absolute master strokes, but his moves have been for lesser players, that haven't been the best choices available at the time.

amen. lets bring in some hardcore vatos not some euro

[GrandeDavid]

"It was a tough hit for everybody," Gasol said. "It's hard to accept the reality. The franchise will still get a good player. But there was a chance to get a great player with the first or second pick."

Yes, I'm probably spoiled since I've been a fan of David Robinson and Tim Duncan over a span of 17 years, and having said that, I don't see either of them being so negative about a similar situation, which they've never been in. You've gotta suck it up. Bang your head against the wall in private, sulk among a few close teammates and your family, but when talking to the press, why not try looking at the bright side? True they won't get Oden or Durant, but you're a multi-millionaire player, suck it up. This is a deep draft. I would assume they could get a great player with the 4th pick. Foremost, greatness is never guaranteed.

I know Gasol is disappointed, but it could be worse. Suck it up.

[ploto]

Regardless of job les, Pop still has the greatest voice when it comes to personnel (except when Holt interjects, usually for $$ purposes). Like with Beno, RC loved him and took Pop to Chicago to see him at the camp, but once Pop saw him there, he became Pop's guy.

[cherylsteele]

I think RC is a decent GM, but doesn't make good personnel moves.

what moves don't you like anyways?
The SJax situation? Rose's contract? What?