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Yet you won't give examples. Why don't you quote boutons or Mike Golic to support your argument. There are plenty of guys out there giving the same flawed opinion for you to cross-reference.
so you are clearly singling out Manu, even though other players flopped as much. shows how much of a hater you are. thanks for clearing it up.
Yet you won't give examples. Why don't you quote boutons or Mike Golic to support your argument. There are plenty of guys out there giving the same flawed opinion for you to cross-reference.
Specify the flops please.
I realize every team has a flopper. I hate when Jazz guys flop, I yell "play REAL defense." That said, Ginobli's flop during the timeout while running offcourt was amazingly ridiculous, and I believe, sets a whole new precident for flopping. And it resulted in a T for Fisher? Unreal.
Sorry, but that's bull . First, they didn't jostle each other. Fisher came over to give Manu a little playoff bump, because he was frustrated. Your way makes it sound like they both did something, only Fisher got tagged and Manu didn't. Manu had nothing to do with it.
Second, Fisher was stupid enough to do it out in the open, and in front of a ref. You can't be that obvious when you're giving someone a playoff bump.
Third, the contact was definitely not hard enough to merit a tech...if that was all that was happening. The game was getting "chippy", as the announcers like to say. The fans were already throwing on the floor. At those times, the refs have to get control of the game before things get out of hand. If the ref doesn't call a T there, Manu probably gives Fisher a bump the next possession. That's how suspensions evolve.
The next foul Fisher committed was a shot to the head, against a player who was in the air. The ref was able to call a second T, and get Fisher off the court. Otherwise, he would have had no choice but to call a flagrant, and the league would have had to review it. Fisher is a lot better off the way things happened.
The ref thought the game was about to get out of hand. And he was right.
Every time this argument comes up there seem to be people who believe that either everything Manu does is a flop or that he earns every foul he draws because he takes so many hard ones. I think that the reason Manu's flops are so effective in drawing fouls is because he legitimately takes so many hard shots. If a guy takes three hard fouls in a quarter I think a ref is more likely to give the guy the benefit of the doubt on a possible flop.
Manu flops sometimes. It happens, but he does it because he gets the calls. Don't hate the playa, hate the game, suckas.
LMAO, Kirilenko's flop on last play vs. Warriors was 100000000x times more ridiculous.
he flew 20 feet!
Manu is to flopping as Fisher is to crying.
Manu does flop a little but he does get a lot of contact and exaggerates the contact more. He really hasn't flopped very much this year. He's not even in the top 20 at drawing offensive fouls so I don't know why people keep using this as an excuse.
http://www.82games.com/charges0607.htm
Rank Team Player Off.Fouls
Drawn
1 CLE Varejao 99
2 DAL Harris 77
3 MIL Bogut 74
4 PHO Bell 72
5 GSW Ellis 64
6 PHO Nash 62
7 IND O'Neal 57
8 CHI Nocioni 50
9 HOU Battier 50
10 Gs/Ind Dunleavy 49
11 MIA Posey 46
12 NJN Collins 45
13 UTA Fisher 45
14 CHI Wallace 44
15 Phi/Den Iverson 43
16 Den/Phi Joe.Smith 43
17 NOK Mason 42
18 CHI Hinrich 40
19 NJN Moore 37
20 LAL Parker 37
21 CHA Wallace 36
22 NJN Nachbar 35
23 DAL Howard 35
24 WAS Daniels 34
25 MIA Haslem 34
26 Ind/Gs Harrington 34
27 TOR Parker 33
28 TOR Bosh 33
29 NJN Carter 32
30 SAS Oberto 31
31 SAS Ginobili 31
32 SAS Bowen 31
33 PHO Barbosa 31
34 SAC Martin 31
35 UTA Collins 31
are you ing serious!?? as if the English team doesn't flop, give me a ing break! Everybody in football flops! EVERYONE! and don't even start blaming the Englands loss to Argentina on flopping. The English got out played, plain and simple.
Bottomline Fisher was a dumbass and showed less intelligece and composure than any other player on the court. Pretty amazing for a seasoned vet. He was assigned to rough house Ginobili, get a few flops in to get players out of the game. He failed, got pissed and lost it. Keep up the good work Derek.
The biggest flopper in the league is Raja Bell and it's not even close.
Manu rarely flops while playing D, imo. His flops come while on offense.
Yeah, let's stop this heated basketball discussion and go to something about which we can have a nice reasoned argument, like England vs. Argentina soccer.
I thought it was a weird tech too, but here's what I'm wondering...a timeout had been called just prior to that little hit by Fisher, right? Maybe they considered it "unsportsmanlike conduct" or something and issued the T?
Anyone?
If anything, it should have been a double technical. Otherwise, leave it alone. Javie lets his emotions rule his officiating decisions, no matter the team.
Dude.. where did you come from? You probably just didn't watch the game at all and are repeating what others said. Read what you wrote and think again. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.
If Manu gets poked in the eye, and the refs don't blow the whistle, then I for one think he has a RIGHT to flop.
-Mars
I watched the DVR HD recording of last nights 4th quarter for fun and paused and slow motioned forward and backward every foul called in the quarter. For the 1st time in my life I can honestly say the refs did not get one call wrong in the 4th. Even the tech on Fish was correct - he was watching Manu start to run up court and then turned his head before bumping him. Completely pre-meditated and the ref saw it the whole way.
It was apparent that the Jazz just lost complete control. The fouls were obvious, and Okur even ducked out of the game like a chicken by hacking Oberto across the arm on a fade away jump shot. They lost composure, hacked virtually every shot, and got called for it.
Agreed, he totally took the torch in that last series. Also what was the dif between 06 finals and manu in the fourth?
anyone realized here that manu weighs 195 lbs????
the guy is skiny for crist sake....
You wanna talk about flops? talk about Fisher's Biggest Flop of the Game
We got a winner!
Absolutely. Pistons are just the best of the worst in the weak conference.
Doesn't a player have to end up on the floor for it to be a flop? Manu just stumbled to the side when Fisher ran into him.
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