Did Manu "ruin" the series?

[laser2kgt]

the flops by manu didnt even affect the outcome of the game, it was out of reach already. make a big deal about it when it costs you the game.

[LifeOnaPlate]

I hate flopping no matter who does it. (Utah's biggest offender is Collins, not Fisher, though Fish gets his in.) During the Houston series Shane Battier flopped seven times during game 7, obvious, ridiculous flops. It was infuriating. Luckily, the officials stopped giving them to him.

The number one biggest flop offense I have ever seen came as Ginobli ran into fisher after a timeout and flopped, redulting in a technical on Fisher. HE FLOPPED WHILE THE BALL WAS OUT OF PLAY DURING A TIMEOUT. Lamest flop ever.

[rob5]

The difference between Manu and the rest of the Spurs is not the size of his bald spot, but the size of his balls.

[DarkReign]

We've got trolls left over from the second round, and new ones coming in ahead of time for the Finals.

Who the is "we"?

199 posts in and youre in the click already? Thats news.

Manu flops. Big whoop. So does every other player worth their salt on defense.

I am more concerned about his blatant traveling. Nearly every move to the basket involves a "by the rules" travel.

Manu picks ball up.
Left foot forward, Right foot forward, onto both feet, then jumps.

Thats a travel, by the letter of the law.

[TampaDude]

Just one thing to say to the Jazz...SCOREBOARD.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

LMAO

Believe what you want to believe and I'll do the same.

Manu hasn't flopped nearly as much as in previous years, and then last night's game happened.

He is still a huge flopper. Sure, he gets hit hard a lot of times, but that doesn't stop him from exaggerating to the point of flopping if it will help him sell the foul call.

Get over yourself.

Utah was flopping all night long, but you don't see any Spurs fans crying about it. Yet when Manu returns the favor, it's a mockery of the game. Give me a break.

AK47 takes a bump from Vaughn, who weights 150 dripping wet, and goes flying across the court to get a charge call, but that's not a flop?

, on Manu's drive to the bucket that's on all the highlights, Fisher tried to flop to draw the charge at the start of the play, then when he didn't get the call and Manu iced the game, he runs over like a chump and gives Manu the shoulder bump.

Howabout Deron Williams flying ten feet back off a little bump on a spin move by Parker? Or Milsap going from outside the restricted zone all the way to the basket support on a bump by Tony?

We could go on and on. The point is, Manu played Jerry Sloan ball better than Jerry's players did last night, and no one should be crying about it.

[LifeOnaPlate]

DarkReign: I think that's a Euro league habit; Giricek gets called for it, honestly, about once per game.

[Budkin]

You've got to be ing kidding me... how can they seriously have a topic like this? Bull .

[cheguevara]

Who the is "we"?

199 posts in and youre in the click already? Thats news.

Manu flops. Big whoop. So does every other player worth their salt on defense.

I am more concerned about his blatant traveling. Nearly every move to the basket involves a "by the rules" travel.

Manu picks ball up.
Left foot forward, Right foot forward, onto both feet, then jumps.

Thats a travel, by the letter of the law.

newsflash: you have Webber on your team. he travels more than a 747

[Budkin]

Pistons fans are starting to get antsy because they know that they are next.

[Darkwaters]

The greatest flops of Spurs' postseason are as follows:

4) Nash's overemphasis on the Horry knockdown. Not a true flop by any means, but some definite acting went into his flailing.
3) Manu's flop against Fisher which resulted in the technical. He wasn't looking to flop, but when he felt contact the instincts kicked in.
2) Raja Bell's flop on Finley in game 4 where Finley was just standing there and Bell exaggerated his flop to the extent that it looked like Michael had thrown him to the ground (it was featured in the Spurstalk Youtube video "Who's the real dirty team?" or whatever).
1) Robert Horry's monstrous flop in Game 3 of the Utah series. Big Flop Bob strikes again.

PS: I missed all but the first game of the Denver series as I was in the Bahamas. Sorry if I missed some good ones there.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I think flopping should be a foul starting next season. It drives me nuts, and I don't care if it benefits the Spurs--it's bad basketball.

[LifeOnaPlate]

Tony Parker has never driven to the basket without falling on his skinny ass, by the way.

[LifeOnaPlate]

Flopping makes the NBA look silly. That goes for the entire NBA.

[Darkwaters]

Tony Parker has never driven to the basket without falling on his skinny ass, by the way.

With good reason...

[cheguevara]

HE FLOPPED WHILE THE BALL WAS OUT OF PLAY DURING A TIMEOUT. Lamest flop ever.

No Kirilenko's vs. warriors was lamer. he flopped when the game was won already, he dove 20 feet after a warriors freethrow



it was not only lame, it was pathetic

[SequSpur]

Cold Pizza is dumb.

[JamStone]

Utah was flopping all night long, but you don't see any Spurs fans crying about it. Yet when Manu returns the favor, it's a mockery of the game. Give me a break.

perhaps you arrived late to spurstalk last night during the game and missed the thread led "I guess the Jazz brought their own refs to the game tonight."

AK47 takes a bump from Vaughn, who weights 150 dripping wet, and goes flying across the court to get a charge call, but that's not a flop?

, on Manu's drive to the bucket that's on all the highlights, Fisher tried to flop to draw the charge at the start of the play, then when he didn't get the call and Manu iced the game, he runs over like a chump and gives Manu the shoulder bump.

Apparently Manu is still blind from the shot he took in the Phoenix series because Fisher was in Manu's line of vision yet Manu still ran towards his direction. And, if that was a shoulder bump by Fisher, then Horry deserved an assault and battery charge for what he did to Nash.

Howabout Deron Williams flying ten feet back off a little bump on a spin move by Parker? Or Milsap going from outside the restricted zone all the way to the basket support on a bump by Tony?

We could go on and on. The point is, Manu played Jerry Sloan ball better than Jerry's players did last night, and no one should be crying about it.

I haven't talked about the Jazz and their theatrics. They were flopping as well. But, the topic is Manu and his flopping.

[LifeOnaPlate]

I love how some of you guys post a picture as though it proves Parker is fouled every time he flies into the lane. If you can't see Parker falling on his ass after no contact you need to get bigger TV's. I never claimed he doesn't get fouled, I said he never drives without falling- contact or no contact. Maybe one day he'll land on a cameraman and bust his tailbone or something. One can only hope...

[coopdogg3]

But that's just it. You're talking about Manu flopping, Spurs fans are talking about everybody flopping. Why is the focus on Manu?

I saw only one flop last night, and that was Manu's acting job with Fisher. This came right after Fisher flopping trying to draw an offensive foul. How come the only thing people talk about is Manu and his flops? It's just unfair.

And Parker doesn't flop. Dude may weigh 150 pounds, maybe. He goes into the lane, he gets knocked down a lot, never really gets a foul, but he doesn't want a foul. He's just so small when he's with the big boys in the lane, he invariably gets knocked down.

[GSH]

I didn't suggest that Manu is the only flopper in the league. And, I've readily admitted that several of the Pistons players are floppers. But, there are several Spurs homers that infer or intimate that Manu is not much of a flopper at all.

He's one of the biggest floppers in the league. That's all I'm getting at.

As for being a troll, I'm not. Expressing my opinion is not being a troll. I been here since the 2003-04 regular season, I think. Check my post count. Check the content of my post history. I'm not a troll. If I'm a troll, there is a good percentage of Spurs fans that are trolls as well.

Ahh ... maybe you're not a troll. I'll give you credit for it until you prove otherwise. You can start by at least considering this:

Manu is damned good at taking the ball to the rack, and he can be hard to stop. When teams key on stopping his penetration, it usually means that they are going to pound the out of him and make him hit free throws, instead of getting layups. Sometimes Manu calls extra attention to hard fouls that would not get called otherwise. You would understand that better if you watched every Spurs game like we do.

Manu gets his head snapped back (just like in the picture of him and Okur) for real, all too often. George Karl seriously said that he used to grow his hair long so that the refs would see it better when he threw his head back and flopped. We get sick of hearing it. (Especially in that series where the Nuggets nearly decapitated him several times.) All the talk about flopping is a disrespect to a very good player who brings heart and excitement to every game.

Sometimes people focus on the fact that Rasheed gets more techs than any other player in the league, and forget to do justice to his talent as a player. But Rasheed has done more to earn his hothead reputation than Manu has done to earn his flopper reputation. That got hung on Manu by opposing coaches whose players couldn't contain him. Before George Karl's rant, all the announcers talked about was how exciting he was.

When you talk about Manu like flopping is the most significant thing about his game...you're pretty far down the road to trolldom.

[Budkin]

Has Manu Ruined The Entire Game Of Basketball Worldwide???

[GrandeDavid]

Flopping? What p*ssies. The Spurs had the game in the bag. How about all the hard fouls the Spurs took? Not to mention flying debris. Jealous punk es. Manu has more character than any of those national talking head, mouth running, desperate for a story that sells media folk.

[LifeOnaPlate]

haha maybe he ruined it, but in reality, I think Manure needs to go back to playing cousin Balki on perfect strangers. That was a kickass program.

Parker is little, he does get knocked sometimes when he drives, but come on, the dude falls EVERY time. It's laughable sometimes.

[cheguevara]

haha maybe he ruined it, but in reality, I think Manure needs to go back to playing cousin Balki on perfect strangers. That was a kickass program.

Parker is little, he does get knocked sometimes when he drives, but come on, the dude falls EVERY time. It's laughable sometimes.

Kirilenko flops as much as both tony and manu