How does manu feel when he reads this???

[michaelwcho]

Xenophobia, can't realy explain it any other way.

there is also the matter of Ginobili being one of the most successful players in the league, the closer for the best team of the decade.

If a tree flops in the woods and no one sees it, is it a flop!?

[Findog]

The reason the "Manu flops" bull gets thrown around so much is because teams can't find any other way to justify him owning their asses.

Manu doesn't "own" the Mavericks. Baron Davis? Yes. Bennett Salvatore? Yes. Manu? Not so much.

Its better to say he flops and try to discredit his performances, than to admit you have no answer for the guy.

I already gave him props for his hops in the other thread. Dude can ball. But that doesn't make him immune from criticism. And like I said, Dallas has more than enough answers for Ginobili.

If Manu was flopping his ass off, but was playing for the Hawks for example, noone would say about him.

Duh. But he doesn't. He instead plays for the team about to win the le, and he's a sissy. Being in the limelight helps illuminate flaws.

and the reason fans don't demonize Duncan is because you can't find the angle to do it. The man leaves you no choice but to respect him. The most opposing fans have on Tim is that he whines a lot

And your point is what exactly? I'm not clamoring to hate on Duncan.

[CosmicCowboy]

How does Manu FEEL when he reads something like that?



He could probably care less what some no-name internet wannabe sports writer thinks about his game...

The fact that he's being paid 9 million a year to play his game makes the criticism pretty easy to laugh off...

[Sasha]

He's truly become one of the league's great villians. Fans in other cities boo him now just when he gets off the bench. He's booed every second he's on the floor in Denver and Phoenix. Salt Lake City fans were on him from the moment he got off the bench in Game 4 of this series, too. He was absolutely reviled the day I saw the Spurs play in Seattle, too.

Even Tim Duncan isn't booed and treated like that.

Manu says that the boos fire him up - in Argentina it's a compliment. So maybe people need to start applauding and cheering him. That could depress him so badly he couldn't even play...

[Findog]

So wait. Are you against players ever embellishing contact? Are you claiming that those who frequently embellish contact aren't doing things the "right way?"

You might think real hard about that one, since there is nobody in the NBA who embellishes contact more than its reigning MVP.

I think flopping has gotten way out of hand, and that there was once a time where players exagerated contact when they were legitimately fouled. Ginobili isn't solely responsible, but he flops not just on charges underneath the cylinder or on drives to the basket but anywhere on the court. I would much rather have the refs start calling techs anytime a player flops, whether it's legitimate or not. We'll start seeing guys suddenly learn to stay upright.

[smeagol]

And he ruined the series too

And like all Argentines, he does not pay his debts.

Ohh, and I remember a couple of years ago, he did not tip Manny when Manny parked his car.

Flopper and a bad tipper.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Duh. But he doesn't. He instead plays for the team about to win the le, and he's a sissy. Being in the limelight helps illuminate flaws.

obviously you have no clue as to what being a sissy is. Get a dictionary fool

And your point is what exactly? I'm not clamoring to hate on Duncan.

my point you would be ing about Duncan as well if it wasn't for the fact the man doesn't give you the oppotunity

[Findog]

obviously you have no clue as to what being a sissy is. Get a dictionary fool

Manu is a sissy. He's a guy who doesn't want to rely solely on his considerable athletic gifts, but feels the need to introduce the craft of acting to the hardwood.

my point you would be ing about Duncan as well if it wasn't for the fact the man doesn't give you the oppotunity

I still fail to see what exactly your point is here. Duncan isn't a bag, so naturally I have no need, nor have any desire, to criticize him for being a bag. If Duncan WERE a bag, I'd be ragging on him, whether he played for the Spurs or the Bobcats.

Anything else?

[judaspriestess]

This guy is an irresponsible hack.

Advocating violence against a player. There could be some sicko out there who will take his words to heart and hurt, mame or even kill a player.

Anyone remember what happened to Monica Seles? The attack on her cost her career and the tennis world a great player. Ginobili's situation is similar. He is hated for what he does on the court. Like Seles, who was an incredible tennis player, people did not like her because she made loud funny noises when she hit the ball and she whooped ass on everyone. So some ing deranged fan of Steffi Graff stabbed her trying to kill her because she beat his poor lil Steffi.

Shame on this asshole!

[DfendtheStar]

I think flopping has become an issue with the NBA especially away from the ball. I thnk it needs to be adressed next year. But you cannot say that Manu is the biggest flopper in the league. You cant even say he's the biggest flopper in this series. Fisher needs to go back to Hollywood cause not only is he flopping but his acting has gotten so bad not even the offiicials are buying it anymore

[callo1]

The author of the article obviously has no clue. He even states that game 3 was in San Antonio.

As far as flopping goes, Fisher has long been one of the biggest floppers in the league. It is kinda funny to hear Utah fans whining about Manu after we had to endure countless years of Flopton to Malone. This two guys were masters of the Flop. I can still envision Malone getting (almost hit) by Avery and throwing himself across the floor 5-10 feet.

As far as the king of flopping goes, I would have to give that to little Stevie of the Phoenix Dungs.

Sure Manu flops some, but name me one player in the league that doesn't...one..and Allas fans PLEASE don't come here and talk about floppers when you have your 7ft flop machine Irk NoRingSki who constantly does the same thing. The only reason Irk isn't flopping right now is due to the Mavs 1st round EXIT to the Warriors. Hows that vacation Mavs fan?

when you keep dominating the league like the Spurs have in the last 9 years you will have plenty of haters. What these haters really are is admirers, but they won't say that...envy is a powerful thing. We Spur fans know that every time our team knocks another team off, its simply another teams fanbase that envys the Spurs.

, I like it

[cherylsteele]

I'd be ragging on him, whether he played for the Spurs or the Bobcats.

But not the Mavs. Others brought up Devin Harris being worse and you seem to dismiss it because he is a Mavs' player.

[FromWayDowntown]

I think flopping has gotten way out of hand, and that there was once a time where players exagerated contact when they were legitimately fouled. Ginobili isn't solely responsible, but he flops not just on charges underneath the cylinder or on drives to the basket but anywhere on the court. I would much rather have the refs start calling techs anytime a player flops, whether it's legitimate or not. We'll start seeing guys suddenly learn to stay upright.

Well, what's a flop? If Manu drives to the basket and is hit, but embellishes the contact, is that a flop? If a player sets up in the lane and is in position when an offensive player makes contact, does he flop if he hits the floor? If a player takes a jump shot and a defensive player makes contact with him in the shot, is it a flop if the shooter hits the floor?

I think that if you take the embellishment completely out, you actually encourage more and more thug-like behavior from those who might be able to get away with it. Why not strike a driver when he's exposed and hope that an official doesn't see it -- for crissakes, if the driver embellishes your hit, you might not only avoid a foul but also cause a technical on the driver, who did nothing other than insure that the contact could be seen. Why isn't a no-call in that situation sufficient?

It's not as if embellishing contact is some new facet of the NBA game.

[Martin R]

If Manu was flopping his ass off, but was playing for the Hawks for example, noone would say about him.

or if Manu was Anderson Varejao, NOBODY would spend a single second on cursing him. You'd just LAUGH @ the flopping act.

Problem is that Manu is a REAL threat for every team and they can't find a better way to intimidate him than saying nasty stupid things about his flopping LEGAL acts.

give me 2 breaks. Tired of reading about these whiners.

[smeagol]

Manu is a sissy. He's a guy who doesn't want to rely solely on his considerable athletic gifts, but feels the need to introduce the craft of acting to the hardwood.



I still fail to see what exactly your point is here. Duncan isn't a bag, so naturally I have no need, nor have any desire, to criticize him for being a bag. If Duncan WERE a bag, I'd be ragging on him, whether he played for the Spurs or the Bobcats.

Anything else?

For somebody who repeatedly said is not a troll you are doing a wonderfull job fooling us.

[wildbill2u]

But now, this balding son of a strumpet will flop anywhere on the court, at any time"

It ain't nice to call Manu's mother a pros ute. That's going beyond the pale of acceptable criticism. Who is this guy and how can Manu find him later?

[twentyone]

Let me be upfront about this: I'm a Spurs admirer. I strongly disagree with those who say the Spurs play boring basketball, and if I had to make a list of my favorite guys in the league to watch, Tim Duncan's probably going to be the first name on it. I'm even eager to admit that Manu Ginobili is a sensational talent.

Lies? Someone send this chick a box of tissues.

[Spider TX]

Manu is far and away the biggest flopper to ever play the game. It's ridiculous how much he does it, but he does it well enough to get the calls so credit him that much. All of you blind ass Spurs fans who say other are bigger floppers are just making yourselves look like idiots. Stop being such a damn homer for even 2 seconds and realize you have the biggest bag in the league on your team flopping every damn chance he gets. It's reasons like that that I am very thankful that the Suns went after Nash a few years back and not Ginobili, because the guy is just annoying, and I could never root for him, no matter how good he is.

[Findog]

But not the Mavs. Others brought up Devin Harris being worse and you seem to dismiss it because he is a Mavs' player.

Where did I dismiss it? I hate flopping and Devin is a prime offender. I want flopping out of the game. I'd support refs calling automatic techs on flops, whether it's acting or a guy legitimately falls. The problem is that it works too often in terms of inducing a call from the refs. Take that tactic away, and suddenly guys start walking upright again.

[Findog]

I think that if you take the embellishment completely out, you actually encourage more and more thug-like behavior from those who might be able to get away with it.

I personally doubt that. I don't think refs will stop calling flagrants where they occur, and I think thuggish behavior has a way of being internally policed by the players themselves.

[Findog]

For somebody who repeatedly said is not a troll you are doing a wonderfull job fooling us.

I'm sorry...you said something that is of concern to me? I enjoy talking hoops with Mardigan, FromWayDowntown, Obstructed View and some of the other great Spurs fans. Maybe you can lobby Kori to change the posting policy to Spurs fans only. Until then, please feel free to chime back from the shallow end of the pool with a "three rings" or "chokers" taunt, I haven't heard those before.

[td4mvp21]

Blah Blah Blah I'm a jealous Suns fan....blah blah I wish my team didn't have so many ing pussies on it waaaaah

Yeah, we know Ginobili is one of the biggest floppers in the league. Almost every Spurs fan on this board will admit to it. It's annoying when other fans of different teams come in here acting arrogant and telling us something we already know. We've admitted it several times, and frankly, we don't give a . He helps us win games. Each team has a flopper that helps them out. Get over it.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Give me a break. This is blind homer talk. Manu is the Gretzky, Jordan and Jerry Rice of flopping. Nobody else comes close. Dude is an awesome baller, I'll give him his due there, but the flopping is the one part of his game I can't stand.

What do you expect? He learned from the best when he played against Devin Harris last year in the playoffs.

[FromWayDowntown]

I personally doubt that. I don't think refs will stop calling flagrants where they occur, and I think thuggish behavior has a way of being internally policed by the players themselves.

I'm not talking about flagrants -- those are obvious plays that get called. I'm talking about a situation where a guy drives to the basket and in the middle of his flight, takes contact somewhere that an official might not normally see it -- contact that is sufficient to affect the shot. That contact is a foul, but officials know to call it mostly because they see how the shooter reacts to it. Smart players have come to embellish that contact to aid the official in seeing what happened; officials have figured out that sometimes the embellishment is a flop intended to sell contact that never happened. I think they've probably reached a happy medium on those plays. I'm not sure why anyone would honestly want to take away that medium.

I'm all for getting tough on flopping that occurs out on the floor -- guys who get screened and just fall down; or guys who feel the slightest contact on a shooter's lean-in and fall backwards. I think that stuff is bad for the game. But I think that the way to do that isn't necessarily through technical fouls -- though I could certainly see that being treated as unsportsmanlike conduct that warrants a T.

I don't think, however, that it would do much good to hand out technicals to players who do little more than embellish calls.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I personally doubt that. I don't think refs will stop calling flagrants where they occur, and I think thuggish behavior has a way of being internally policed by the players themselves.

So when a guy is driving to the bucket the only time a foul should be called is if it's a flagrant? This isn't Rucker Park.