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    Good points and when i keep hearing how good the Cavs D is and i look at their players and numbers i just don't see it. Hopefully they can't stop the Spurs with great regularity.
    How can you not see it? The Cavs have been statistically the best defensive team in the playoffs. So they don't rely all on shot-blocking, whats so bad about that? They never are out of position, contest shots, and they dominate the boards. Guys know for the most part when they should break off onto a double-team and also how to funnel opposing players into "hot zones" where they can trap and smother them or force them to throw the ball away. Another big strength is that this team does not let themselves get all out of position trying to make a big play, the team forces alot of turnovers but they do it by staying at home and forming traps.

    I think the key deciding factor will be what kind of production the Spurs can get from Tim Duncan. Anytime he doesn't put up big numbers, the Spurs are going to struggle in this matchup. San Antonio I think can win the majority of the time if Duncan and Parker, or Duncan and Ginobili have good nights, however even if Parker and Ginobili have big nights, without Duncan's leadership and post-presence I think Cleveland can smother SA's backcourt and dominate the game. Cleveland particularly should be trying to block out the passing lanes to Duncan, if they can cut those off it would go a long way to setting the tone, I think they can do it too. I'd put my money on whichever team can come out and dominate defensively in this series, we know SA is capable of scoring alot of points however they also haven't played a team with as good of a defense as Cleveland's in the playoffs.

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    This season, the Cavs were 1-5 against the Spurs' playoff opponents in the first three rounds. The Spurs were 6-0 against the Cavs'...

    Maybe if Pop plays Udrih and Bonner heavy minutes tonight the Cavs will win.
    Hey asshole, the only stats that matter now are 2-0 Cavs beat SA during regular season, and 0-0 series hasn't started yet.

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    Not very.

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    It's not that hard to look great defensively against 3 below-average offensive teams. We'll see how good they are against one of the top 3 offenses in the NBA. We'll also see how good they are defending the transition game.

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    Hey asshole, the only stats that matter now are 2-0 Cavs beat SA during regular season, and 0-0 series hasn't started yet.
    You know you've just dropped the truth when the second word in a reply is an expletive.

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    The answer to the question "How good is the Cavs Defense?" would be "Better than the Spurs." The other acceptable answer would be "Statistically the Best in the Playoffs."

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    The answer to the question "How good is the Cavs Defense?" would be "Better than the Spurs." The other acceptable answer would be "Statistically the Best in the Playoffs."
    Amusing considering the Spurs faced 3 above-average offenses in the 1st 3 rounds while the Cavs faced 3 abysmal ones.

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    Considering that there won't be any back to backs in the Finals nor will Udrih and Bonner be seeing any court time save for token appearances at the end of some wins, the regular season matchups are irrelevant.

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    It's not that hard to look great defensively against 3 below-average offensive teams. We'll see how good they are against one of the top 3 offenses in the NBA. We'll also see how good they are defending the transition game.
    I wouldn't say the teams Cleveland played are below-average offensive teams. Sure, Washington had their injuries, which have been well-do ented. However, Detroit scores plenty of points and so does New Jersey. I would take either Detroit's (Hamilton/Billups/Prince) or Jersey's (Carter/Kidd/Jefferson) backcourts over San Antonio's (Parker/Ginbili/Bowen) in terms of scoring any day of the week.

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    Amusing considering the Spurs faced 3 above-average offenses in the 1st 3 rounds while the Cavs faced 3 abysmal ones.
    I wouldn't call New Jersey's offense "abysmal". You guys know what Kidd is capable of.

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    I wouldn't call New Jersey's offense "abysmal". You guys know what Kidd is capable of.
    Yeah, they scored like four points in the fourth quarter of a game.

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    I wouldn't say the teams Cleveland played are below-average offensive teams. Sure, Washington had their injuries, which have been well-do ented. However, Detroit scores plenty of points and so does New Jersey. I would take either Detroit's (Hamilton/Billups/Prince) or Jersey's (Carter/Kidd/Jefferson) backcourts over San Antonio's (Parker/Ginbili/Bowen) in terms of scoring any day of the week.
    Of course you wouldn't say that. Let's go to the almighty stats...

    2006-07 FG% Rankings
    Washington 23rd
    New Jersey 17th
    Detroit 20th
    Cleveland 24th

    Denver 7th
    Phoenix 1st
    Utah 3rd
    San Antonio 2nd

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    Anytime he doesn't put up big numbers, the Spurs are going to struggle in this matchup. San Antonio I think can win the majority of the time if Duncan and Parker, or Duncan and Ginobili have good nights, however even if Parker and Ginobili have big nights, without Duncan's leadership and post-presence I think Cleveland can smother SA's backcourt and dominate the game.
    So, wait, are you then saying that you think that the Cavs can basically shut down Duncan, Parker AND Ginobili?

    Cleveland particularly should be trying to block out the passing lanes to Duncan, if they can cut those off it would go a long way to setting the tone, I think they can do it too. I'd put my money on whichever team can come out and dominate defensively in this series, we know SA is capable of scoring alot of points however they also haven't played a team with as good of a defense as Cleveland's in the playoffs.
    And the Cavs haven't played a team with an offense (or a defense) as good as San Antonio's.

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    The answer to the question "How good is the Cavs Defense?" would be "Better than the Spurs." The other acceptable answer would be "Statistically the Best in the Playoffs."
    See Marcus Bryant's post.

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    Yeah, they scored like four points in the fourth quarter of a game.
    One period of one game is a rather small sample size to make sweeping judgements, no?

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    From what I have seen of their defense, it's above average but not great.

    I have been impressed with their overall team rebounding. Lebron really does a good job of controlling the glass with their bigs. They don't force as many missed shots as the Spurs but because they don't give up offensive boards, their defense seems better than it really is.

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    Amusing considering the Spurs faced 3 above-average offenses in the 1st 3 rounds while the Cavs faced 3 abysmal ones.
    See, now you are just making up. Denver isn't some kind of great team, let's clear that up right now. You are trying to inflate your opponents in a big way. Denver as a team averaged 105pts scored and 103pts allowed, they scored alot of points but they also gave up a ton of points as well. Utah scored 101pts per game and allowed 99pts per game. Phoenix had a more impressive margin of victory, averaging 110pts per game and allowing 102 points per game.

    So, we can see that Denver and Utah both are not that great. Phoenix had a larger margin of victory than the other two opponents SA has faced this postseason, however in total, none of the Spurs' three opponents know how to play defense worth .

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    One period of one game is a rather small sample size to make sweeping judgements, no?
    I'm sorry, you said we all know what they can do, like they are this offensive juggernaut. One quarter during a six game series is a much larger percentage than two games out of 82.

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    The answer to the question "How good is the Cavs Defense?" would be "Better than the Spurs." The other acceptable answer would be "Statistically the Best in the Playoffs."
    comparing stats when there are no common opponents is worthless.

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    I'm sorry, you said we all know what they can do, like they are this offensive juggernaut. One quarter during a six game series is a much larger percentage than two games out of 82.
    1.) The comment was that New Jersey is "abysmal" offensively, not that they're a juggernaut. They're neither.

    2.) My rejoinder was "You know what Kidd can do." He's a very capable player.

    New Jersey is 12th in the NBA in ppg, 7th in fg pct, and 4th in adjusted fg pct. They're not a bad offensive team.

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    See, now you are just making up. Denver isn't some kind of great team, let's clear that up right now. You are trying to inflate your opponents in a big way. Denver as a team averaged 105pts scored and 103pts allowed, they scored alot of points but they also gave up a ton of points as well. Utah scored 101pts per game and allowed 99pts per game. Phoenix had a more impressive margin of victory, averaging 110pts per game and allowing 102 points per game.

    So, we can see that Denver and Utah both are not that great. Phoenix had a larger margin of victory than the other two opponents SA has faced this postseason, however in total, none of the Spurs' three opponents know how to play defense worth .
    first you are talking about offensive production now youre putting otu a red herring with point differential. But for s and giggles lets look at opponent point differential.

    Denver 9th
    Utah 8th
    Phoenix 2nd

    Washington 15th
    New Jersey 16th
    Detroit 5th

    Facto in that Washinton was gutted by injuries and it becomes more telling.

    Spurs 1st
    Cavs 7th

    I think if we were to show the point differential by conference it would show further how much of a lopsided statistical advantage the Spurs have.

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    1.) The comment was that New Jersey is "abysmal" offensively, not that they're a juggernaut. They're neither.

    2.) My rejoinder was "You know what Kidd can do." He's a very capable player.

    New Jersey is 12th in the NBA in ppg, 7th in fg pct, and 4th in adjusted fg pct. They're not a bad offensive team.
    wow you beat an average offensive team.

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    Of course you wouldn't say that. Let's go to the almighty stats...

    2006-07 FG% Rankings
    Washington 23rd
    New Jersey 17th
    Detroit 20th
    Cleveland 24th

    Denver 7th
    Phoenix 1st
    Utah 3rd
    San Antonio 2nd
    Denver acquired Allen Iverson mid season and Carmelo Anthony was suspended. They didn't get it together until the end of the season and came into the playoffs much better than their full season ranking. It's entirely possible that the Spurs played the top four offenses in the NBA on their way to the finals.

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    wow you beat an average offensive team.
    Now you're getting it. The Nets are average to slightly-above-average offensively; no great shakes, but better than some folks on this board are making out.

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    New Jersey is 12th in the NBA in ppg, 7th in fg pct, and 4th in adjusted fg pct. They're not a bad offensive team.
    NJ was 15th in PPG, 17th in FG%, and 25th in FT% in 2006-07.

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