Is Parker making....

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Aggie Hoopsfan and SpurOutofTownFan are two got who hate TP.
And even though TP is not MVP, you have to admit he's saving us on the offensive end.
End of thread.

No, gots try and be cute with 'my post is the bestest, end of thread posts.'

I am damn pleased with Tony's play. But you know what? Take Tony away (which is what Cleveland did for almost the entire first half tonight) and we're still okay because Tim was dropping 8 points in the first quarter and playing D, doing other things.

This team gets by okay with Tony out of the game. Every time Tim goes to the bench, Cleveland goes on runs an is productive against us.

Like I said, Tony deserves consideration, but we aren't even here if it isn't for Duncan, and the guy was the only one who showed up in the first half tonight.

So spare me the holier than though Parker pole sucker bull and get a ing clue.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I think we should all make a collective effort in this thread to define what "Finals MVP" means.

Some people seem to think points qualifies it, i think those people are as stupid as those who think ppg decides the regular season mvp.

But I think there is a weakness in the argument that "this team is duncan so he deserves mvp"...because in my opinion the award should be based on the finals series exclusively. And while the spurs start out living and dying by the Duncan, the dynamic of matchups and a series worth of adjustments change those things. Did we really start and end with Duncan in game 2? tonight? If duncan had not passed well tonight, he would have an overally subduncan series so far. Meanwhile Bruce Bowen is shutting down the "King" of the nba who put on one of the most dominant playoff performances of all time. LeBron's average is lower this series than any series this year. I say if Bowen shuts his ass down again, scores alot of threes, and we win, give him the award.


Besides the "starts and ends" argument also has another weakness: our record without duncan compared to our record without bowen.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

I mean , I agree Bowen is ing good, but I still believe some manu's church fans like aggie or outofTown can't stand if tony wins MVP this year and not manu in 2005.
So they are now going for bowen like , a guy who hasn't been called after the 2 first games...CLASSIC.
STOP THE PROPAGANDA.
STOP ACTING LIKE .
GOT.

Yes and no. I can't stand the idea of TP getting the MVP when Manu didn't get it but I'm not calling for Bowen. I never said that. I think TD will get it. Also, if you think Parker deserves it please tell me why but don't tell me because he scores more pts than anybody else.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I mean , I agree Bowen is ing good, but I still believe some manu's church fans like aggie or outofTown can't stand if tony wins MVP this year and not manu in 2005.
So they are now going for bowen like , a guy who hasn't been called after the 2 first games...CLASSIC.
STOP THE PROPAGANDA.
STOP ACTING LIKE .
GOT.

Like I said, Tim will get it. I'll tell you what's being a . Being so stuck on PPG that you can't see the rest of the ing game.

It's not that I can't stand if Tony wins Finals MVP, if he does I'll be happy because that means he has a acious rest of the series.

I am going for Bowen because he is the one keeping James in check, and if it weren't for that we're sitting at 2-1 instead of 3-0, we may even be down 2-1.

It's not propaganda, it's watching the game. Funny that the one defending the little Frenchman is the one crying about es and gots on this thread.

[ducks]

No, gots try and be cute with 'my post is the bestest, end of thread posts.'

I am damn pleased with Tony's play. But you know what? Take Tony away (which is what Cleveland did for almost the entire first half tonight) and we're still okay because Tim was dropping 8 points in the first quarter and playing D, doing other things.

This team gets by okay with Tony out of the game. Every time Tim goes to the bench, Cleveland goes on runs an is productive against us.

Like I said, Tony deserves consideration, but we aren't even here if it isn't for Duncan, and the guy was the only one who showed up in the first half tonight.

So spare me the holier than though Parker pole sucker bull and get a ing clue.

duncan sucked most of the night got those 8 points
then let the refs in his head and made a couple baskets in 4
did not even get 10 rebounds

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think we should all make a collective effort in this thread to define what "Finals MVP" means.

Some people seem to think points qualifies it, i think those people are as stupid as those who think ppg decides the regular season mvp.

But I think there is a weakness in the argument that "this team is duncan so he deserves mvp"...because in my opinion the award should be based on the finals series exclusively. And while the spurs start out living and dying by the Duncan, the dynamic of matchups and a series worth of adjustments change those things. Did we really start and end with Duncan in game 2? tonight? If duncan had not passed well tonight, he would have an overally subduncan series so far. Meanwhile Bruce Bowen is shutting down the "King" of the nba who put on one of the most dominant playoff performances of all time. LeBron's average is lower this series than any series this year. I say if Bowen shuts his ass down again, scores alot of threes, and we win, give him the award.

FTW.

[ajh18]

I'm just curious, does anyone have the pts/reb/ast/fg% of manu and tim in 2005, and the same stats for parker and duncan in 2007? That would at least provide a statistical comparison for their relative contributions in those two series.

[ducks]

I think tp or duncan deserve it
but i THINK SAYING tp has no shot is stupid
he deserves props

[johnpaulwall21]

Tony Parker: 24 ppg, 4 apg, 4 rpg, 0 bpg
Tim Duncan: 20 ppg, 4 apg, 10 rpg, 2.3 bpg

other than the ppg, i give it to TIM!!!!!!!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

duncan sucked most of the night got those 8 points
then let the refs in his head and made a couple baskets in 4
did not even get 10 rebounds

Parker sucked most of the night got 0 points in the first but then let 40 year old Eric Snow shut him down and made a three in the fourth did not even get 5 assists.

Seriously, fun wasn't it?

Try this - tell me why Parker deserves it over Tim, and don't say because he's scored a lot of points in this series.

[ducks]

tp should have had 12 assist tonight had shooters made their shots

[myhc]

Bruce Bowen is doing a great job on Lebron. But let's not go overboard here. You make it sound like he's doing it all by himself. It's the team D that's slowing down Lebron. Having said that, on my MVP ballot, he's 3rd, just like he would've been 3rd on my ballot in 2005 behind Tim and Manu.

I do believe just like in 2005, with Manu having such a great series and still falling short of the MVP, Duncan will edge Tony by another similar 6-4 count if they both by and large score around their series averages.

[ajh18]

I agree, give it to Tim. What were Manu and Tim's stats in 2005? I just think i would be interesting for camparison's sake.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Tony Parker: 24 ppg, 4 apg, 4 rpg, 0 bpg
Tim Duncan: 20 ppg, 4 apg, 10 rpg, 2.3 bpg

other than the ppg, i give it to TIM!!!!!!!

OMG, you're such a . 4 PPG is all that matters. You're such a got [/ginobili fan]

[ducks]

he has set up his teamates
he deserves some credit on d against gibson
cavs tripled team tp some tonight
snow just did not guard him

[Cant_Be_Faded]

rofl ducks

every player in the league would have 12 assists averaged if players made their shots



i give you his d on gibson, that was pretty good, but not stellar, gibson still missed an open look or two.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Bruce Bowen is doing a great job on Lebron. But let's not go overboard here. You make it sound like he's doing it all by himself. It's the team D that's slowing down Lebron. Having said that, on my MVP ballot, he's 3rd, just like he would've been 3rd on my ballot in 2005 behind Tim and Manu.

I do believe just like in 2005, with Manu having such a great series and still falling short of the MVP, Duncan will edge Tony by another similar 6-4 count if they both by and large score around their series averages.

I think it was overlooked by many that he played 44 minutes tonight. When LBJ was resting, Bowen was contributing to a 1-10 night from Daniel Gibson.

[violentkitten]

tony is playing awesome in this series.

when parker doesn't fill up a stat sheet, then he's "weak", "choking", "mediocre", etc...

when he does, then it's not to his credit.

you. you know who you are. you'll never like parker, even though he's the major reason the spurs are one game away from their 3rd le in 5 years. take away his penetration and scoring and this series would be entirely different.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

tp should have had 12 assist tonight had shooters made their shots

td should have had 14 assists tonight if shooters had made their shots.

[ducks]

where was duncan blocks and rebounding tonight?

this team needs both to win
spurs need atleast 2 of the 3 to play well

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Omgg Omg Omg

[michaelwcho]

Co_MVP for TD,TP, BB.

Why not? Replace any of them with an average player and the team would probably be shot.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If Parker gets it that means he will have been huge in the closeout game. I'm fine with that

I'm just saying 1) I think Duncan still gets it and 2) if you're going to consider Parker for his PPG, you've gotta consider Bowen for his all-around contributions (but mainly for his job on 'Bron).

[TDMVPDPOY]

if tp gets mvp, im outties....i probably follow the blazers...

[baseline bum]

I got Bruce #1, TP a close second, and Tim an even closer third. I hope TnT pick and roll the Cavs to death Thursday.