Honestly, Spurs fans ... you guys won. Can't you admit that was a foul?
Put it to you this way, if that same exact play happened but it was Manu shooting the jumper and say Derek Fisher grazing him on the head a split second after the release of the ball, 98% of Spurs fans would say it was a foul.
It was a foul. A touch foul, yes. But, still a foul.
It doesn't matter if it was a "real" foul or not...
Manu should have never even made the play. What exactly was he thinking, especially after last year?
I love Manu, but I wish there was a way to keep in unbridled energy in check without hurting his scoring...
How can you say for sure it was a foul when the block clearly came first and the contact came afterwards?
I will be watching it on DVR tonight because I have not had the chance, but from the replays last night, it was a questionable call.
As I said in aprior post, when a block is done from the front, there is usually plenty of contact down below, or even with the same hand the defender blocks (after the block) and these are never called as fouls.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71438
I said not again
I think because he came over the back, it was easy to call a foul...
Not sure there is . . . so you take the good with the bad.
By the way, we won . . .
i didn't care. the game was over by that point.
I've seen Manu, Bowen and even Barry block from behind with no whistles being blown.
I saw it many times in slow motion from three different angles. No way that block was a foul... no way.
I was actually laughing. It was a BS call from the officials. It was a clean block.
Granted, it was unnecessary. But what the heck, that's Manu in a nuts . Diving for looseballs when they're up by 7, blocking a triple when they're up 6. And that is why Pop says that manu's the greatest compe or he's ever coached.
great hustle by manu, but stupid to try and block it since we had the lead.
Exactly what I said, Why even try to block it, just let him go?Body, thats the epitome of Manu Ginobili.
Thats why hes one of the best players in the league
What did I think? MANU NOT AGAIN!!!!
it was clean, no foul. saw Manu do it to ray allen and Bruce do it to Dirk.
It was an Eddie F. Rush call. Didn't matter though because Manu brought it home. of course no mention about the ice water through the guys veins. Maybe that's why he took the risk, because he knew he was going to knock down those FTs.
That's Manu.
He hesitated for a moment after he went past, then looked at the ball just right there...waiting for him to block. He couldn't stop himself, it was soooo easy. He blocked it as clean as you can block any shot. And I saw him actually pause and think about it first. Which was weird. Manu is, generally, all instinct and reaction.
He blocked it cleanly. If he hadn't of even tried...his name wouldn't be Manu.
Manu, being Manu. I'll take it.
Manu DID try to contest and got burned. That's why he blocked from behind.
I think the foul was called because of both the contact to Jones's head (and yes there WAS contact!) and because Manu was behind Jones/over the back kind of thing.
I wasn't worried about it, anyway. For some reason, it didn't concern me at all.
IMHO it was a foul. Yes, the hand on the ball was all clean, but before Jones released the ball Manu's elbow was hitting Jones in the head.
I have seen officials let contact go and call it and in this case they called it. I did not agree with it in real time, was questioning it on replays, but after watching it in slow-mo at home on the DVR, I could easily see why it was called.
Manu had his hand on top of the ball so long, it was almost a jump ball.
I thought Manu got him on the head and with the body. So I didn't think it was a bad call. But no way in do I want to stop Manu from playing the way he does. He's not someone who can rein himself in and why the would you ever want him to. 90% of the time his energy and all out play is positive for the Spurs. I'll deal with the other 10% of the time.
Classic Manu, pushing the envelope, trying to do everything in a tight game in which he was the reason the Spurs were ahead. He is what he is, a balls to the wall player more likely to commit an error of commission than an error of omission. Looking at the '03, '05, and '07 le runs I see Manu's hands all over those. We Spur fans will just have to live with the fact that those hands will also hit Dirk's wrist or Jones' head too.
Yeah, and there's a list of posters here who don't think Bruce fouled LeBron, either. I submit that perceptions are colored by the fact that a) a Spur committed the foul and ESPECIALLY b) it was Manu.
If the situation had been reversed, they would be screaming bloody murder.
And that's the key, it was a low IQ play.What I do agree with you is that it was a risky play. Manu should not have contested it.
Honestly, I was thinking "NOT AGAIN! WHY, MANU! WHY??"
LOL...I actually got a bit worried because what if he had MISSED the two FTs afterwards, then the Cavs would have had a shot to win. So why risk it? I know Manu is a great FT shooter, but he is human and could have missed one...you never know.
Whether it was a block or foul or whatever, the point was that Manu should have just let him shoot the ball...he most likely would have missed anyway, and even if he had made that 3, then at least the time off the clock would have run out more. With putting him on the line to shoot 3 FTs and the time still the same was not very smart at all.
But yeah, Manu is Manu. It didn't surprise me. But I just wish he just wouldn't risk it like that at the end, just cuz of past history, of the heartbreak from 06. Plus his whole team was depending on him...So I didn't like that foul or whatever it was at all...made me very nervous!
BUT, Manu is the ultimate compe or. Very true. And I love him for it. But sometimes, you have to learn from past mistakes...and just let a shot go especially if you are up 6 points with barely any time left.
Either way, I'm just THRILLED that the Spurs won. And that last quarter was huge by Manu. So he was the hero for Game 4, no doubt about it.
Manu saved Spurs asses in game 4.
Without him, Sunday would be game 5 day and not parade day.
Yes, he makes a mistake with that foul but I don't know a single BB player who doesn't make mistakes. What is important is to do more good plays than bad plays.
You're kidding? It was plain as day on the replay that Bruce fouled LeBron intentionally.
Manu used bad judgment. Pop must have been guilty of your "a)" and "b)" above, too. Pop complained vehemently to Eddie Rush after the play, on camera and audibly, that Manu blocked the ball.
I know a man who has a genius-level IQ but he used bad judgment and didn't go to the Dr. to get his hypertension treated. He suffered a blow-out stroke and is paralyzed. His bad judgment (not IQ) may have led to the result.
Manu and Bruce both used bad judgment, in my view.
No kidding. The 3 point play and the 3 pointer gave the Spurs control of that game.
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