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    which makes one wonder how much of a problem dallas would pose to san antonio. if the talent level of the mavs was on par or only a little more than gs, that's not enough to beat the spurs.
    I don't think Dallas would've beaten the Spurs this year, because we peaked in March and burned ourselves out...and GS is just about the ONE team based on personnel and X's and O's we didn't need to see in the playoffs, aside from San Antonio. But the matchup problems we present are still there. Against the Spurs, Terry gives up nothing in size to Parker and kills you guys with his outside shooting if you double Dirk. Devin has the footspeed to stay with TP and he can get to the rim against you guys. Against the Warriors, Davis and Richardson are both bigger and stronger than them. And whereas Dirk and J-HO forces Pop to make a tough decision, stick Bowen on one of them and get eaten alive by a mismatch, Duncan is a low-post interior scorer that a smallball team like the Warriors just can't handle. Rock-Paper-Scissors.

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    If you say it enough times, you will start to believe it's true.
    It is true, and I've based that analysis on logic and facts. If you can refute it with anything other than "8 SEED! DIRK SUCKS!" I'd like to read it.

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    I don't know, you tell me. Are the Mavs the only team to cough up a 2-0 lead?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=240515013

    In the Finals?

    How many teams have lost 4 in a row after going up 2-0 in the Finals?

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    In the Finals?

    How many teams have lost 4 in a row after going up 2-0 in the Finals?
    The 1977 Philadelphia 76ers, for one.

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    And the '77 Sixers choked, IMO.

    So did the '06 Mavs, IMO.

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    And the '77 Sixers choked, IMO.

    So did the '06 Mavs, IMO.
    So teams never make adjustments and play better. By your logic then, the Spurs choked in 04.

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    So teams never make adjustments and play better. By your logic then, the Spurs choked in 04.
    Yes they did. They had the lakers by the balls and choked it away.

    See, unlike most mavs and Suns fans, I can admit when my team chokes or s up.

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    Yes they did. They had the lakers by the balls and choked it away.

    See, unlike most mavs and Suns fans, I can admit when my team chokes or s up.
    Hmm, I watched that series. I thought the Lakers did a good job of altering their defense and containing Tony Parker in the final four games. I didn't realize the Spurs decided they didn't want to win the series and didn't have enough heart or courage.

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    It was an upset but not the greatest of all time based on talent. GS beat the crap out of the Pistons in Detroit, they beat Phoenix, Utah, Dallas. They went 16-5 down the stretch with everybody healthy. Only point is that the talent level of the two teams made it more like a second-round matchup, not a 1 vs 8 series.
    I don't necessarily agree with this. It may not have been a "typical" 1 vs 8 series talentwise, but even with the trade GS wasn't one of the best four teams in the West this year. The Warriors certainly weren't better than the Spurs or Suns. You'd have to rank the Mavs (on paper only, clearly) ahead of them. Utah was definitely better than they were. You could also argue that the Nuggets and the Rockets were better than the Warriors too. So, of all the playoff teams, the W's were clearly better than the Lakers, and that's it. So instead of it being a typical 1/8 matchup, it was more like a 2/7 matchup. If that makes you sleep better at night, then more power to you. Your team still had no business getting run like that against them after piling up the 5th best (or whatever it was) regular season in NBA history.

    And one more thing.... you can spin it any way you want and tell yourself that it was a bad matchup or that the W's were more talented than given credit, but there is no way to spin the way Dallas quit in Game 6. They just gave up and quit. It's the worst thing you could ever say about a team, and they did it. Quitters. The whole lot of them.

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    And one more thing.... you can spin it any way you want and tell yourself that it was a bad matchup or that the W's were more talented than given credit, but there is no way to spin the way Dallas quit in Game 6. They just gave up and quit. It's the worst thing you could ever say about a team, and they did it. Quitters. The whole lot of them.
    Oh, they definitely did that, I'm not denying it. I turned the tv off in disgust at the end of the third quarter. Spurs did it too the year they got swept by the Lakers.

    but even with the trade GS wasn't one of the best four teams in the West this year.
    The West is a little top-heavy given the imbalance of talent between the two conferences. It's still akin to a typical second-round matchup.

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    Hmm, I watched that series. I thought the Lakers did a good job of altering their defense and containing Tony Parker in the final four games. I didn't realize the Spurs decided they didn't want to win the series and didn't have enough heart or courage.
    You just don't want to admit that the Mavs had complete control of the Finals and choked it the away.

    Did the Yankees choke in the ALCS against the Red Sox, or did they just fail to make adjustments?

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    You just don't want to admit that the Mavs had complete control of the Finals and choked it the away.

    Did the Yankees choke in the ALCS against the Red Sox, or did they just fail to make adjustments?
    Uh, baseball is a little different given that the pitching matchups have a great impact on who wins and who loses. IIRC, the Sox rolled out Pedro in G5 and Schilling in G6. How much strategy is involved in baseball? They went down because the Sox won G4 where it could've gone either way and then there were three straight good pitching performances. So, no, the Yankees didn't choke either. We're talking about basketball.

    And, no, I'm not gonna admit something that isn't true. Did you watch the 06 Finals? Did you notice how we had no perimeter defenders to stop a guy playing at an unreal, MJ-level? What the does that have to do with courage and guts and not wanting to win? Nobody on the Mavs could keep Wade in front of him. Riley made sure Mourning got more PT after G2 since he did a much better job of protecting the rim and ran the floor better than Shaq. Simple as that.

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    The other two best teams in the league have the best shot of beating the Spurs?

    No ?


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    denver/dallas >>>>>> phoenix

    defense wins championships. period.

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    denver/dallas >>>>>> phoenix

    defense wins championships. period.
    Agree. If Denver had some perimeter shooters they would have been VERY tough to put away. We Spurs fans should know first hand how valuable a 3 point threat is to any team(Barry and Horry in '05, Finley and Bowen this year).

    History is against the S0ns. There's only three teams in NBA history that won the championship with a worse defense than the S0ns(2 of those early Bulls teams and the '01 Lakers). Phoenix doesn't have any dominant HOFers(MJ, Shaq, Kobe) nor do they have a HOF coach like PJ running the team so I can't say I like their chances. D'Antoni's gimmick basketball doesn't cut in the NBA. He might have gotten away with that in Europe but the NBA's a different story. D'Antoni and Steve Trash need to learn how to play defense before they can think of competing for a championship. It's either that or hope the Mavs knock out the Spurs(probably going to be the latter)

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    D'Antoni's gimmick basketball doesn't cut in the NBA

    What is it exactly in the Phoenix Suns' offense or defense which is a gimmick. I don't understand that term when it is applied to basketball. You either make the shot, the pass, the block or the rebound. Where do the gimmicks come in?

    Do you mean to say David Blaine's magnets, springboard floor boards, mirrors and tiny 2-way radios are being used?

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    The Mavs match up better with the Spurs than the Suns do. The Suns give the Mavs match up nightmares. Amare would be dunking at will and that entire suns offense can get any shot they want against the Mavs D. All the Spurs need to do when they play dallas is to knock them hard on their asses anytime they drive to the hoop. Get VERY physical with them. Do that and their nuts shrink which causes them to settle for jumpers the rest of the way.

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