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Is there a reason why we must have 7 bigs? I am just wondering if it's assured that Ely = another big.
As a side note, I'm amazed that Beno is still on this team after tonight. Not that I wish any sort of ill will on this guy, but for the Spurs not to even draft a PG to potentially take his place....well I dunno what it says.
BTW, I think that the Spurs would've drafted Gabe Pruitt at #33 if he hadn't been snatched up a pick earlier...anyone agree?
Is there a reason why we must have 7 bigs? I am just wondering if it's assured that Ely = another big.
Please, NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
This was a guy who I openly wondered why he wasn't getting more consideration as a possible Spur. A lot of what I've seen and read about him fits close to what the Spurs need. I wish he were a couple inches taller, but as is he seems like a pretty good prospect.
He's only 21 and hasn't played that much basketball yet, so he has time to improve. When I watched him, I thought he was a very good ballhandler for his size. He made some pretty good passes and has some innate scoring ability.
He is another guy who I can trust that the Spurs have scouted well. The Spurs front office and other people close to the team (Sean Elliott, to name one) have contacts at Arizona, so they have a pretty good idea what Williams is about.
I'm not ecstatic about this pick but he seems to be an intriguing prospect. He's high risk/high reward in the sense that he could bust out real quick if his at ude is shaky, or he could develop nicely in the Spurs system. He still has the potential, he just needs the work ethic and the belief in him to be there.
I guess both are Bowen/Barry size...and since that's who they would eventually replace, I suppose both could stick on this squad.
Still, you can't assume a Barry trade right off the bat, because trades in this league are harder than you think...plus Barry has more tenure and financial ties to this organization than either of these two...
Yeah, six bigs is plenty.
Who knows if the Spurs will even carry 15 players next season too.
We just have to wait it out and see. But I like the group of prospects the Spurs have overall in the next couple years - Scola, Splitter, Mahinmi, Sanikidze, Williams ...
I just wish there was an athletic SF/PF combo and a PG in there.
I guess there are plenty of question marks to go around, but the spots are there at the moment. FA may bring other surprises. Maybe the Spurs can trade Beno to the Raptors for the rights to Giorgos Printezis.
I'm pleasently surprised at his rebounding numbers, those are some pretty good board #s considering his lack of girth.
According to NBADraft.net....kid has a 7 foot or 7'1 wingspan.
So he may not have the bulk...but he's certainly a LONG small forward
Wait wait wait. Didn't get enough minutes? Arizona starters led the nation in average minutes per game for a long time this season, I'm not certain if we ended that way but for the majority of the season we were tops and Marcus had the most minutes out of that group. There are plenty of things to question about the decision making of Lute over the past 2 seasons, but the way Marcus was used is certainly not one of them. He bumped his work ethic during the workout and if that continues then fantastic, but don't count on it. And Marcus "let Lute know" about his lack of PT? He was playing behind Hassan Adams for the first part of his freshman year, eventually getting into the starting 5 when Chris Rodgers got kicked off the team. If any player came and "let Lute know" that he needed to be on the floor more, Lute would let them know that they need to seek a transfer.
I don't know what Arizona team you were watching the last 2 years that had great defender hard worker Marcus on it, but it wasn't the same team I've seen. Having watched every game he played for the U of A including every home game in person I don't know where you saw this.
Marcus has all the tools to do well in the NBA. I'm not saying its impossible. He needs to put on some weight and he would be the size of the long 3 we want. The problem is he has never cares to put the work in. Arizona had to consistently bring in Daniel Dillon (A complete liability on offense) because Marcus couldn't guard the other team's best player. Marcus alienated the entire Arizona squad with his at ude. The team hangs out together on campus, goes out together, take classes together, but not Marcus. If he can't coexist in a locker room of people with similar background as himself, how is he fitting in a locker room as diverse as ours, especially if the guys aren't going to respect his work ethic? He has all the ability in the world and I hope that if he realizes it it is in our uniform, but unless he changes dramatically it isn't going to happen.
What would really be nice is if Williams agrees to play overseas for one year a la Derrick Dial. If he does that, the Spurs should be able to keep both he and James White.
I don't think the Spurs should give up on James White at this point. White has more of the attributes to be the Bowen replacement than Williams does. Finding a way to keep both is optimal.
Again, 7' wingspan....
Yea, no doubt, I understand that.... and I'm not one that's against Barry and dying to trade him either. There's just rumors every year, so there's always the potential for it to happen.
Regardless, I'm happy to have both of these guys, even if they happen to both end up on the Toros next year. Around the same size, but they're both longer and more athletic than either Barry or Bowen, and that IS saying something.
Future looks bright for us.... we're not going anywhere anytime soon NBA!
I can see why the Spurs took this guy...
Despite the character concerns, he is a do-it-all player. He has a great mid-range game, moves well without the ball, slashes and can finish, plays excellent defense when motivated, handles the ball extremely well (can even play PG if necessary), has good court vision, excellent length, is a good rebounder for his size....there's certainly alot to like.
I understand the concerns about work ethic/character, as well as the lack of a three-point shot...but this kid could really pay off.
In comparison to White, Williams is the much more complete player despite being 4 years younger....
I was hoping for Ramon Sessions, guess the Spurs didn't want him though.
I like this jdaveah vs Dro210 debate. It's good to get two differing opinions to better understand who the Spurs picked.
Man, I'm not even gonna argue with you, you're mostly right.... but you missed my point....
Marcus did give up on that team.... but Marcus got ted on by Olsen before hand. He should have never been coming off the bench that Freshman year. You find a spot for a guy like that. Olsen didn't even start him every game this year just to prove his point (like you said in bold... Lute don't around). Marcus probably woulda been happy to transfer after this year, but why transfer when you can just enter the draft
and like I said... many would look at that as an at ude problem. I see it as him being young, butting heads with his old-fashioned coach, and it was over from that point on. You've gotta give people a chance to mature before you label 'em as a problem. He's got a fresh start now, let's see what he chooses to do.
There's some stuff I'm leaving out here, and I don't care enough to look it up for the sake of a petty disagreement, but Marcus and Lute didn't get along from day one...... but to be honest... I gave up on this team last year just like Marcus did, so I really didn't pay all that much attention past a certain point.
Budinger is the truth this upcoming season tho! All-American possibility
I like this jdaveah vs Dro210 debate. It's good to get two differing opinions to better understand who the Spurs picked.
Ahhhh... my bad Timvp, I'm about done for the night man. I'm tired, but I'm real excited about getting Williams tho, so you can probably count on me sparking more debate about him in the near future. Especially since it seems alot of people either arn't happy with or arn't sold on the pick.
Good takes tho jdave... respectful opinions, and I give it up to you for bein an AZ bball fan and bein at/seein all the games (wish i had a better cable package)
I don't think we disagree on the possible potential that Marcus has. Physically, there isn't any reason he can't be the "long 3" that we've been working on for quite some time now. What I see as one of my biggest concerns is something that even you said, he gave up on the team midway through the season. What happened if our guys gave up on the team when we were around the all star break? You just don't do that under any cir stances.
And the fact of the matter is he didn't butt heads with Lute from day 1. When he came and replaced Chris Rodgers in the starting 5, Lute repeatedly said that he could be the best freshman he has had since Sean Elliott, which to me is damn high praise. Somewhere between then and now something happened. And you can't say he should have been starting from the start. Budinger didnt start at first this season. Unless there is a supreme need, you don't start a freshman in a compe ive Pac 10 until they had proven themselves. Are you suggesting he should have started ahead of seniors Hassan Adams and Chris Rodgers? That wouldn't work.
For everyone who hasn't been watching Marcus as much as Dro and I, I'll boil it down pretty simply. Huge wingspan, huge. Good rebounder considering his lack of strength. He's a decent finisher, absolutely no deep shot but a decent mid range game. His jumper is really funny looking, Chip would need to spend all summer with him to fix it. However, therein lies the problem. In the past Marcus has been reluctant to change the mechanics of his shot and his defensive game. It doesn't take a hall of fame coach like Lute Olsen to realize that a proper defensive stance bends at the knees and not the waist, but for whatever reason Marcus doesn't change. If he wont adjust his game for a hall of famer like Lute I dont know that he would change for Chip. If he changes his ways and decides to work then theres a very real chance he could be what we need. Unfortunately, his past indicates that he wont want to work on it and could be a problem in the locker room. Hopefully it works out, but it was a second round pick so its by no means something the Spurs are relying on.
Long 3 is normally a guy is 6'9 or so. Williams is 3 like Bowen is a 3 - they are both almost 6'7. But not what I'd consider a long 3.Physically, there isn't any reason he can't be the "long 3" that we've been working on for quite some time now.
To me, a long 3 is someone who can swing from the 3 to the PF spot. Marcus wouldn't be that .. he'd just play the wingspots.
I keep hearing that, but then I just read that it is 83". 6'11 wingspan is pretty big for a 6'7 guy, but not close to the enomorous 7'2 wingspan that some people say he has.Huge wingspan, huge.
Anyway, I don't know much about the guy to assess him. But hopefully he works hard and shows something in the summer.
not Austin?What would really be nice is if Williams agrees to play overseas for one year a la Derrick Dial
Yea, I really see eye-to-eye with you on alot of this. Basically, I like him better defensivly than you, and I'm just more optimistic for his future. And that's because I think Marcus came into AZ young and raw, and got himself into trouble with his coach...... and HOPEFULLY he learned something from that. If he hasn't... I'll be the 1st to say I was wrong.
I also trust the Spurs judgement of character, and development of character, and think that if there is somethin wrong with him, if anybody can, we'll fix it
I remember Lute sayin that about him as a Freshman... I think that kinda fed into it.... Marcus was like, well if I'm that good, why am I not playing more?
and to answer your question.... yea, personally, I woulda started him that year.... cause I didn't have high expectations for that team, but I did for Marcus, and I was lookin for 'em to build for the next year. I know that's not the traditional thing to do (start a freshman over a senior), but it's what I had hoped to see.
Chase did start every game this year tho.
Bottom line: good or not good value at 33?
ppl are concern with his character and defense = stephen jackson prototype
he can work out and i have faith in it...BELIEVE!
this guy can play SF/SG/PG...his got the tools...smallball? smallball
for him to crack the rotation = dude better start playin defense or he will be occupying beno in the doghouse with butler
He's a #33.
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