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    2. The Lakers 3-Peat: There is also the pesky little fact of, oh, the Lakers winning three les in the midst of the Spurs run. Can you name any other run that is termed a dynasty that not only had a three year run without a le, much less a three year run where the same team won in each of those three years. Here is the real deal: The Lakers three peat was closer to a dynasty than the Spurs run, and only Kobe's force out of Shaq prevented two or three more Laker's les. The three peat alone keeps the Spurs from being a dynasty.

    3. 1999 doesn't really count: The first le in this run does not really fit in with the rest for two reasons. First, the season was tainted because of the strike, which made the season only 50 games long and cheapened the entire enterprise. Secondly, other than a very young Duncan, that team has no relation to the current squad that has won 3 les in 4 years. That team was Duncan and David Robinson. This team is Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili and is an entirely different team that is three years detached from that '99 squad.
    I love that both of these are listed. If 1999 doesn't count, then the lakers 3-peat is irrelevant because the Spurs counter would start afterwards. To me, the Laker's 3 peat means 1999 shouldn't be counted in dynasty talks, but that's just me.

    Personally I don't care about dynasty talk. Having the most dominant winning percentage in profession sports over the last decade is more than enough for me!

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    More about the so-called "Spurs Dynasty"

    CLEVELAND -- All right, let's get all the reasons we would not consider the San Antonio Spurs one of history's most successful franchises out of the way immediately.

    • They never had to win a championship against Michael Jordan, a notorious spoiler of the Clyde Drexler Trail Blazers,
    Exactly how is it the Spurs fault that Jerry Reinsdorf blew up his championship team?
    the Charles Barkley Suns,
    I'm sorry, but did the Barkley Suns ever beat ANYONE to win a le? No.
    the Gary Payton SuperSonics and the John Stockton-Karl Malone Jazz.
    Once again, who did either of these teams beat to win a championship? Nobody. What does this have to do with the Spurs success?
    • They play in a league diluted by expansion.
    "Diluted by expansion" incinuates parity. The Spurs have a 70% winning percentage since the 1998 season. If the rest of the league was diluted by expansion, wouldn't that mean the Spurs would be diluted as well?
    • Their first le, in 1999, occurred in a lockout-shortened season.
    Another classic reason given by haters and whiners.

    Did the Spurs play less games than the rest of the league? No. EVERY TEAM PLAYED 50 GAMES. The Spurs won 15 games in the playoffs to win the championship just like many teams did for many years before them. This argument does not hold water. The Spurs had no advantage over any other team. Also, the lockout was not the fault of the Spurs organization.

    • Their most recent championship came against what was surely one of the worst Finals teams ever, LeBron James' individual brilliance notwithstanding.
    So, is it the Spurs fault that the Eastern Conference is weak? Nope.


    OK, that said, San Antonio's fourth le in nine years, completed Thursday night at Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, is a monumental accomplishment that should give the Spurs a permanent place in sports history.

    Let's just not bring up the "D" word. The Spurs are not a dynasty. They haven't suggested that about themselves. To me, a dynasty means this: A team must win more than half the championships over a decade and be considered the clear favorite in most of those seasons. A decade is a ---- measure, of course, but dynasty-dom has to be demonstrated over an extended period of time; the Mings, after all, lasted from 1368 to 1644. (Not the Yao Mings.)
    By the way, I couldn't care less whether or not media hacks use a meaningless word to describe the team of which I have been a fan for 20 years.

    This is not YOUR view, turd. I've read this article before you posted it. You could at least give credit to the person who wrote it.

    only two franchises truly qualify as a dynasty -- the Boston Celtics, who, absurdly, won 11 championships in 13 seasons from 1957 to 1969 during the Bill Russell days, and Jordan's Chicago Bulls, who won six les in eight years (the franchise's only championships) from '91 to '98.

    Overall, the Celtics have won 16 les (though a contemporary cynic would have to note that not a single one has come since '86). That career record is challenged only by the Lakers, who have 14 championships, five of them when the team was in Minneapolis, which was the dominant franchise in the NBA's first decade. But the Lakers have never had a true dynasty. They won five les from '80 to '88, a tremendous achievement to be sure, but they clearly shared the decade with the Celtics, who won three les in seven seasons. And they would've needed a couple more with the Shaquille O'Neal-Kobe Bryant combo to meet the dynasty standard in the early years of this century.

    Which brings us to the Spurs. Four les in nine years in an era of free agency and revolving-door coaches is a monumental accomplishment. Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich have been around for all four. Duncan's complementary pieces (Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Bruce Bowen) have been there for the last three. One thing the Spurs have not done, however, is repeat, a fact pointed out to Popovich on Thursday night.


    "Will that be extra motivation for next season?" he was asked.

    "I don't give a ," Pop said with a smile.

    My guess is, he does. And if the Spurs win again, we'll resume this conversation.
    Do you have any takes of your own? Or do you just plagiarize other peoples' articles?
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    The book on the Spurs dynasty is incomplete.

    There is more to come, wait and see. Once Tim retires if they slip into the lottery, then will be the time to consider whether they were a dynasty or not. At this time, it's looking pretty dang good.

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    Next year:

    Don't expect the Mavs to get knocked out in the First round.

    Don't expect suspensions on Suns players...
    On Mavs....Why not? After the choke job last year, and the early elimination this year, who's to say after all that that the Mavs will even make playoffs next year?

    As far as the Suns go, they were beaten three times at full strength. Why does everyone just assume that the loss of two players for one game cost them the series? What was their excuse for losing 3 with a full squad? Fact is, Spurs own the Suns. They are like the little brother that keeps trying to measure up, but can't ever get r done.

    As for Dynasty. , it's just a word. Who really cares whether they are crowned a Dynasty by the media or not, just as long as the trophies keep rolling in?

    But remember that winning percentage? The best in all major sports that the Spurs have going on? Why do they conveniently forget that, when giving all the reasons why the Spurs aren't considered a "Dynasty" of their era?

    But , just keep the O brians and the Finals MVPs headed our way, and call the Spurs whatever the it is they want to call them. We will all be happy.

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    Okay, FastDunk, our team is not a "dynasty." What I want to know is: Can you spell broom? You know, as in "sweep."

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    The book on the Spurs dynasty is incomplete.

    There is more to come, wait and see. Once Tim retires if they slip into the lottery, then will be the time to consider whether they were a dynasty or not. At this time, it's looking pretty dang good.
    ^ correct


    You cant call "it" a dynasty because "it" is not completed yet. Everyone acts like we should be looking BACK on what the Spurs did and fail to realize we are right in the middle of it. Tim has 5-6 more good years left in him, and Tony and Manu are just hitting thier primes, IMO the Spurs should be considered the favorites to win the les for each of the next 5 years. And im predicting they will get atleast 2 more.

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    You cant call "it" a dynasty because "it" is not completed yet.
    Good point.

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    • They never had to win a championship against Michael Jordan, a notorious spoiler of the Clyde Drexler Trail Blazers, the Charles Barkley Suns, the Gary Payton SuperSonics and the John Stockton-Karl Malone Jazz.

    • They play in a league diluted by expansion.

    • Their first le, in 1999, occurred in a lockout-shortened season.

    • Their most recent championship came against what was surely one of the worst Finals teams ever, LeBron James' individual brilliance notwithstanding.
    What does that have to do with the Spurs? We might as well discount the Lakers les too because they never played against Michael Jordan.

    Houston's les didn't mean cause they never played against Michael Jordan who wasn't in the league.

    It's ridiculous that they are holding things against the Spurs that they have no control over.

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    No one can claim a legitimate le anymore since they can't play against Jordan.

    I thought James was the second coming of Jordan?

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    Why do people care if the Spurs are labeled a "dynasty"?

    As Spurs fans, we've enjoyed watching our team win 4 les in 9 years.

    Works for me.

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    People can call them whatever they want for all I care. Call em' dirty. Call em' boring. Call em' a non-dynasty. Go crazy and call em' every name in the book. But when all is said and done, they have no choice but to call them 4 time Champs.

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    I don't even think the Spurs are even done yet.

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    ok i am tired of this bs about the dynasty...ok...look i hate it when people say 99 does not count...u think barkley, malone and stockton would take a 99 ring??? i think so....and if people really do not want to count it...then em..they are haters and they wouldve loved it if their team wouldve won..what if the lakers won it in 99...would their "four peat" be tarnished?? i doubt that....and whatever anybody says counting 99 or not 3 out of 5 is ing pretty impressive...i mean look how the spurs were eliminated those years... a .4 miracle shot that was totally bs( i used tivo) and a dumbe fould by manu...what if the spurs went to the finals those years would they be considered a dynasty then??? i dont care what anybody says the spurs are 4 for 4 when it comes to getting to the finals and walkin away with the o'brien....all this talk will end next year when the spurs win their 4th in 6 years and 5 out of the last 10...unless another miracle happens not allowing them to accomplish it...dont care if they are a dynasty...were the champs once again and nobody can take that away from us..no matter how hard they try!!! THE HATERS....and to all cavs fans!! what were we supposed to witness??

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    This message is cavsfan. Why are you here on this site trolling?? You should be on your own site worried about what your weak rookie team is going to do next year. Your team got slapped with a sweep. Spurs have more rings then any team in your city...Oh wait..cleveland never won any championships. Sorry for the mishap.. Lol!!

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    Example of Circular Reasoning:

    The Spurs aren't any good, becuase they never beat MJ and the Bulls for a le.

    Hypothetical: The Spurs beat MJ and the Bulls for 1-3 les in the '90s. Therefore, Michael Jordan must be overrated.


    My point: Michael Jordan wouldn't be viewed as he is today without six les. If the Bulls had actually lost a few times in the Finals, his legacy would be diminished. Therefore, beating him wouldn't be such a remarkable thing. Most of these fools don't seem to understand that sports are a zero-sum game.

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    I agree with Pop. There have been two dynasties in basketball. The Celtics and the UCLA Bruins. Let's leave it at that.

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    I agree with Guajalote

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    Hey troll... your pathetic one man show team got its ass stomped by the champs. Get the over it and go away.

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    People, people!!!

    We're not talking about the Cavs here, I know you want to get back at me but the subject here is about the national consensus, the Spurs are NOT a dynasty, only dumb people would think they are...

    No offense but LEBRON JAMES is NOT KING. Good player but way overated. We were all witnesses.

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    the spurs aint no dynasty.they are not done just yet.
    I would call them the next generation of a franshise prototype with fans all over the world and the perfect mix of Domectics and International players.
    Leave the Dynasty tle to the Celtics,Bulls ect. who have won in a long ing time.

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    Who cares take out you NBA books and look it up dynasty or not it is one of the great runs in the history of the NBA to win 4 in 9 years. The Bad Boy Pistons did not do that, the Bird Celtics did not do that, Shaq and Kobe Lakers did not do that the list goes on and on.

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    What does that have to do with the Spurs? We might as well discount the Lakers les too because they never played against Michael Jordan.

    Houston's les didn't mean cause they never played against Michael Jordan who wasn't in the league.

    It's ridiculous that they are holding things against the Spurs that they have no control over.
    Exactly and while you are at it don't call MJ the best of all time because he no way has 6 rings if he played in the era where Magic and Bird were in their primes. Those Laker and Celtic teams would have killed his Bulls.

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    Alone? Why quibble, the Spurs had or were tied for the best record in the NBA 3 times. In fact the only time they were not tied they got swept by the Lakers. But why all the handwringing, what does it matter. the Spurs themselves don't consider themselves a dynasty and if writers want to say they are more power to them, where was all this nitpicking when most of the press were calling them boring? I just think it's all whining cause some people don't want to admit that the Spur's in Pop's words kicked ass!!!!!!!

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    When I hear 4 in 9 years, I think to myself no. When I hear 3 in 5 years, I think yes

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    Exactly and while you are at it don't call MJ the best of all time because he no way has 6 rings if he played in the era where Magic and Bird were in their primes. Those Laker and Celtic teams would have killed his Bulls.
    Er... Michael played Magic in his prime, and the Bulls beat the Lakers 4-1. Magic's career was cut short in his prime because he contracted HIV.

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