Who was it, in here, talking about...

[Wild Cobra]

Back to the Fairness Doctrine. Anyone think it's necessary? According to Talkers Magazine, there are a fair amount of liberals and progressives in the Top 100.

Ed Shultz (liberal) makes #5, Randi Rhodes makes #13 and Alan Colmes is #16.

It seems to me that the primary reason that we don’t see more liberal radio hosts is that they cannot get the ratings to bring in advertisers. I believe there are several factors for this. I believe the primary reason is that the mainstream media already leans left. Talk radio of the left only amplifies what is already mainstream news. Talk radio of the right shows a different perspective.

Talk radio has little to do with a station owners views and more to do with profit. The higher the demand for a host, the more money that can be charged for advertisement. I’m sure some owners will take a position and flaunt it, but I only see that one small ownerships, not across mass markets. Paul Allen is a prime example. He owns the Jail Blazers, and he owns a local station, AM 750 KXL. Guess what gets preempted anytime a Blazers game is on!

Now there are a couple corporate owners who have only conservative programming. I would contend this is because conservative formats are profitable, and as soon as the mix it up with liberal programming, they will lose listeners. One station I listen to is AM 860, KPAM. They have Sean Hannity, Victoria Taft, and Larry Elder. I like listening to them. I often miss the start of Victoria’s show because they have Mark Levin on just before her. I don’t like him. He is a conservative, but one with bad manners. I sometimes listen to him just because he precedes Victoria’s show. Now before they changed the lineup, they had Tom Leykis before Victoria, and Lionel after her. A liberal before and after her. They tried the “fair” approach, and the listeners rebelled. Now Larry Elder is a libertarian, but his leaning is primarily right.

The fairness doctrine amounts to regulating free speech. In a time of limited TV and radio stations, it was a good thing to have. It is no longer needed, and that’s why it was completely abandoned some years back.

Link:

Talkers Magazine top 100 list

[xrayzebra]

^^WC haven't they tried the same thing with the "fairness" in
political campaigns? The Supreme's just shot down part of that
law and when it was written the writers, like McCain, made sure
that his big contributors weren't included. You know like the
American Indian tribes.

I heard on a talk radio program the other day a caller who
explained it better than any explanation I have previously
heard. The reason the conservative talk shows are so
popular is because they express the views of the biggest
portion of the public.

And as you stated radio owners are going where the money is.
If liberal radio was popular you can bet your booties that is
what would be on the air.

Some on here criticize Rush about his show, but think about
it, he has about 20 million listeners. And how many radio
stations that carry his program somewhere, I think, in
excess of 600. That is quite something. And his show is on
for three hours daily, as well as Hannity, who I think is
rated #2 or is it Beck. No matter all are conservative talk
shows.

The dimm-0-craps, liberals, have thrown everything they can
to blunt these shows and have failed. Now they want to give
their next effort a wonderful sounding le: Fairness, and
silence these folks. It is so blasted typical of the liberals. They
control every other media except radio and now they want to
legislate their control over it.

I would like to issue a challenge to those on this board that
always criticize Rush.

Listen to him, then come on to this board and show the rest of
us where he is wrong in his statements, sound bites and
articles he cites. I wont accept just outright criticism of his
views, I mean the meat of his assertions. He will give you the
source of all his material. Now isn't that 'fair'.

[Oh, Gee!!]

In case you were wondering, Yoni the lying hypocrite plagiarized that from slate.com.

I'm shocked!

[Yonivore]

KERRY FOR FAIRNESS DOCTRINE; CORRECT 'IMBALANCE'

[Yonivore]

a mediocre quarterback enjoying a fawning press simply because he was black.

that is your opinion Yoni..

That was Rush's opinion. Frankly, I wasn't paying attention at the time.

And, according to my pilfered Slate article, that particular writer agreed with Rush.

[Yonivore]

Today's Hill carries Alexander Bolton's story on Republican preparation to do battle against the reimposition of the Fairness Doctrine. Bolton quotes media critic Durbin, who seems to be unaware of news media other than radio:

Democratic leaders say that government has a compelling interest to ensure that listeners are properly informed.

“It’s time to reins ute the Fairness Doctrine,” said Senate Majority Whip Durbin (D-Ill.). “I have this old-fashioned at ude that when Americans hear both sides of the story, they’re in a better position to make a decision.”

What happened to the First Amendment principle that Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of the press?

[DarkReign]

Limbaugh-haters took the opportunity to mischaracterize his words and turn it into a racial issue. I'll give 'em this, they were successful.

Wait, let me get this straight.

Rush Limpballs, the guy who has made a career out of mischaracterizing what other people say, then espousing his opinions as fact, had someone else mischaracterize his words and got him fired?

Define irony.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Wait, let me get this straight.

Rush Limpballs, the guy who has made a career out of mischaracterizing what other people say, then espousing his opinions as fact, had someone else mischaracterize his words and got him fired?

Define irony.

I could not have said it any better myself. bravo!!..

but wait limpballs shadow boxes with soundbites..

[xrayzebra]

Wait, let me get this straight.

Rush Limpballs, the guy who has made a career out of mischaracterizing what other people say, then espousing his opinions as fact, had someone else mischaracterize his words and got him fired?

Define irony.

Refer you to a statement I made earlier: Want to
take the challenge

I would like to issue a challenge to those on this board that
always criticize Rush.

Listen to him, then come on to this board and show the rest of
us where he is wrong in his statements, sound bites and
articles he cites. I wont accept just outright criticism of his
views, I mean the meat of his assertions. He will give you the
source of all his material. Now isn't that 'fair'.

[clambake]

Refer you to a statement I made earlier: Want to
take the challenge

I would like to issue a challenge to those on this board that
always criticize Rush.

Listen to him, then come on to this board and show the rest of
us where he is wrong in his statements, sound bites and
articles he cites. I wont accept just outright criticism of his
views, I mean the meat of his assertions. He will give you the
source of all his material. Now isn't that 'fair'.

Nobody listens to the "rights" Rosie O'Donnell. I, myself, try to shield my ears from incoherent ramblings that emanate from drug addicted racist.

[xrayzebra]

Nobody listens to the "rights" Rosie O'Donnell. I, myself, try to shield my ears from incoherent ramblings that emanate from drug addicted racist.

Ah yes, typical Liberal rantings. No, no I wont listen, but
I will comment on how the is a drug addicted racist.

Oh, what a guy you are. Cant stand on your own arguments.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Refer you to a statement I made earlier: Want to
take the challenge

I would like to issue a challenge to those on this board that
always criticize Rush.

Listen to him, then come on to this board and show the rest of
us where he is wrong in his statements, sound bites and
articles he cites. I wont accept just outright criticism of his
views, I mean the meat of his assertions. He will give you the
source of all his material. Now isn't that 'fair'.

Ray I do listen to him regularly.. I don't need for him or anyone else to interpret statements made by other people. how many times has he had to 'explain' what someone mean't to say?If his listeners are to stupid to figure out what people are saying then they deserve him!

[Yonivore]

Wait, let me get this straight.

Rush Limpballs, the guy who has made a career out of mischaracterizing what other people say, then espousing his opinions as fact, had someone else mischaracterize his words and got him fired?

Define irony.

Your unsupported assertion that Rush Limbaugh mischaracterized other's words and presented opinion as fact aside, are you claiming two wrongs make a right?

And, it's at least progress to see you acknowledge his words were mischaracterized.

[Wild Cobra]

That was Rush's opinion. Frankly, I wasn't paying attention at the time.

And, according to my pilfered Slate article, that particular writer agreed with Rush.

OK, we just cannot stay on topic...

OK...

What I remember of the time was it was during McNabb's first season. He couldn't throw any long ones accurately. The receivers were scrambling to catch his throws. He resorted to running the ball himself more than other quarterbacks, while blaming his bad throws on the receivers!

Rush called it like he saw it, and since he was a white conservative correctly criticizing a black man, he was drummed out.

McNabb did get much better, but there was a time he was not worthy!

[Wild Cobra]

Refer you to a statement I made earlier: Want to
take the challenge

I would like to issue a challenge to those on this board that
always criticize Rush.

Listen to him, then come on to this board and show the rest of
us where he is wrong in his statements, sound bites and
articles he cites. I wont accept just outright criticism of his
views, I mean the meat of his assertions. He will give you the
source of all his material. Now isn't that 'fair'.

Ditto

[Bear Grylls]

OK, we just cannot stay on topic...

OK...

What I remember of the time was it was during McNabb's first season. He couldn't throw any long ones accurately. The receivers were scrambling to catch his throws. He resorted to running the ball himself more than other quarterbacks, while blaming his bad throws on the receivers!

Rush called it like he saw it, and since he was a white conservative correctly criticizing a black man, he was drummed out.

McNabb did get much better, but there was a time he was not worthy!

Not right at all

The Limbaugh incident occured in 2003 right when Rush joined countdown.

Here is exactly what he said after a few of the other guys were talking about McNabb playing poorly.

I think the sum total of what you're all saying is, Donovan McNabb is regressing, he's going backwards. And my, I'm sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well, for instance, black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there is a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he really didn't deserve.... The defense carried this team, I think, and he got credit for it

[Wild Cobra]

Well Bear, I'm basing that on my own observation of watching McNabb not be able to throw long and accurate.

I agree with Rush's comments. How is his pointing out the media hype wrong? He made an observation that many of us believe, but the PC police took him to task on it.

Now I don't recall the quote, I assume you quoted it correctly. It is just what I saw. The reast of the team was compensating for McNabb's sloppy arm, and McNabb ran the ball way too much.

He was good at running it, but a QB is normally throwing!

[Bear Grylls]

The reast of the team was compensating for McNabb's sloppy arm, and McNabb ran the ball way too much.

He was good at running it, but a QB is normally throwing!

Hmmm.... I dont think you watched McNabb real close then.

Im not going to count McNabb's first year because he only started 6 games.

2000, In McNabb's 2nd year he threw for almost 3,400 yards had 21 TD's and 13 INT's including 45 completions that went for more than 20 yards. Had a 77.8 QB rating

2001, In McNabb's 3rd year he threw for 3,200 yards had 25 TD's and only 12 INT's includinig 44 completions that went for more than 20 yards. Had a 84.3 QB rating which was actually higher than Peyton Mannings.

2002, In McNabb's 4th year he only played 10 games because of an injury he threw for almost 2,300 yards had 17 TD's and only 6 INT's including 27 completions that went for more than 20 yards. Had a 86.0 QB rating only 2 points lower than Peyton Mannings.



Those are McNabb's first 3 seasons as a starting QB passing numbers. I would hardly call them sloppy.


List of the recievers McNabb had to throw to in those 3 seasons

Na Brown
Dameane Douglas
Charles Johnson
Todd Pinkston
Torrance Small
Alex Van
Freddie Mitc
Gari Scott
James Thrash
Antonio Freeman


Now, those recievers I would call sloppy.

[Wild Cobra]

Hmmm.... I dont think you watched McNabb real close then.

I didn’t watch real close until right after Rush made the comment. His aim was bad for all long throws. The receivers didn’t miss on the games I watched, he threw the ball out of their range. And really, he ran the ball more than a QB is suppose to.

Im not going to count McNabb's first year because he only started 6 games.

Fine

2000, In McNabb's 2nd year he threw for almost 3,400 yards had 21 TD's and 13 INT's including 45 completions that went for more than 20 yards. Had a 77.8 QB rating

Link:

Donovan McNabb #5

330 completions out of 569 attempts for 58% and 3365 yards. That’s an average of 210.3 yards per game and 5.9 yards per attempt. He rushed 86 times for 629 yards. He throws 13 interceptions and gets sacked 45 times for a loss of 262 yards.

2001, In McNabb's 3rd year he threw for 3,200 yards had 25 TD's and only 12 INT's includinig 44 completions that went for more than 20 yards. Had a 84.3 QB rating which was actually higher than Peyton Mannings.

285 completions out of 493 attempts for 57.8% and 3233 yards. That’s an average of 202.1 yards per game and 6.6 yards per attempt. He rushed 82 times for 482 yards. He throws 12 interceptions and gets sacked 39 times for a loss of 273 yards.

Now let’s be clear about something the PC types ignore. McNabb’s teammate, fellow QB A.J. Feeling had a 2001 QB rating of 114, yet they played McNabb. Affirmative action anyone? He also had a 71.4 completion average for 10.2 yards per attempt.

2002, In McNabb's 4th year he only played 10 games because of an injury he threw for almost 2,300 yards had 17 TD's and only 6 INT's including 27 completions that went for more than 20 yards. Had a 86.0 QB rating only 2 points lower than Peyton Mannings.

There is still nothing stellar about his stats. Round to the nearest integer and it’s three points. Manning had a 88.8! Please don’t exaggerate.

211 completions out of 361 attempts for 58.4% and 2289 yards. That’s an average of 228.9 yards per game and 6.3 yards per attempt. He rushed 63 times for 460 yards. Add 6 TD’s rushing to your number! Shouldn’t he be someone running the ball, not a QB? He throws 17 interceptions and gets sacked 28 times for a loss of 273 yards.

McNabb’s teammate, fellow QB Koy Detmer had a 2002 QB rating of 115.8, yet they played McNabb. Affirmative action angain? He also had a 67.9 completion average for 8 yards per attempt.

Those are McNabb's first 3 seasons as a starting QB passing numbers. I would hardly call them sloppy.

I cannot attest to those first few years myself. I do know that without his rushing TD's the rating would be lower. Again, he couldn't throw the ball well.

275 completions out of 478 attempts for 57.5% and 3216 yards. That’s an average of 201 yards per game and 6.7 yards per attempt. He rushed 71 times for 335 yards. He throws 11 interceptions and gets sacked 43 times for a loss of 253 yards.

Don’t you McNabb supporters get it? He is appears to be a product of affirmative action. With the two years before playing him instead of better quarterbacks from the same team, people wonder why the criticism? Also, only in the 2004 season was McNabb able to do a 60% passing average and 7 yard per attempt with is considered the standard measure of a good QB!

Should we compare that to another QB? How about my Seahawks, Matt Hasselbeck; link:

Matt Hasselbeck #8 :

2000:
10 completions out of 19 attempts for 52.6% and 104 yards. That’s an average of 6.5 yards per game and 5.5 yards per attempt. He rushed 4 times for a 5 yard loss. He throws 0 interceptions and gets sacked once for a loss of 2 yards.

Looks like a pretty slow season…

2001:
176 completions out of 321 attempts for 54.8% and 2023 yards. That’s an average of 155.6 yards per game and 6.3 yards per attempt. He rushed 40 times for 141 yards. He throws 8 interceptions and gets sacked 38 times for a loss of 251 yards.


2002:
267 completions out of 419 attempts for 63.7% and 3075 yards. That’s an average of 192.2 yards per game and 7.3 yards per attempt. He rushed 40 times for 202 yards. He throws 10 interceptions and gets sacked 26 times for a loss of 143 yards.

Hasselbeck made the gold standard now of 60%/7 yards.

2003:
313 completions out of 513 attempts for 61% and 3841 yards. That’s an average of 240.1 yards per game and 7.5 yards per attempt. He rushed 36 times for 125 yards. He throws 15 interceptions and gets sacked 42 times for a loss of 246 yards.

Gold standard two years in a row.

Look at the trends. Hasselbeck gets better and McNabb is pretty much flat over the same timeframe. Consider this. Hasselbeck has a 60.2% career passing average for 7.1 yards per attempt. McNabb’s is 58.2% and 6.8 yards.

Cool... Gold standard for a career average for Hasselbeck... Donovan, where are you?

He is above average for a QB in overall ratings now, but not so special before. Rush is right in that the only reason he had as much media attention as he did is that he is a black QB! During 2001 and 2002, he had just above average QB ratings. It’s good to see he was able to make himself better, but the hype about him in 2000 to 2003 was overrated. It was just for PR and PC reasons.

QB stat links:

2001

2002

Now the two other QB’s I mentioned were rally not that good for career averages, but they did rather well with the same receivers McNabb had. It supports the rumor I heard that McNabb was the weak link, not the receivers. Have to consider when you are replacing the regular, hard to stay in a zone unless you have several consecutive quarters too.

I did some fact finding. In wiki’s entry for Rush; link:

Rush’s Sports casting career:

Sportscasting career

On the September 28 episode of Countdown, Limbaugh commented about Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb's role in his team's 0-2 start to the season:
“ Sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team.”

On October 1, 2003, Limbaugh resigned from ESPN with the statement:

“ My comments this past Sunday were directed at the media and were not racially motivated. I offered an opinion. This opinion has caused discomfort to the crew, which I regret. I love Sunday NFL Countdown and do not want to be a distraction to the great work done by all who work on it. Therefore, I have decided to resign. I appreciate the opportunity to be a part of the show and wish all the best to those who make it happen.”

[George Gervin's Afro]

Well Bear, I'm basing that on my own observation of watching McNabb not be able to throw long and accurate.

I agree with Rush's comments. How is his pointing out the media hype wrong? He made an observation that many of us believe, but the PC police took him to task on it.

Now I don't recall the quote, I assume you quoted it correctly. It is just what I saw. The reast of the team was compensating for McNabb's sloppy arm, and McNabb ran the ball way too much.

He was good at running it, but a QB is normally throwing!

How is his pointing out the media hype wrong?

If that is all Limpballs would have said he would have been alright. What the dumb ass said was the the rest of the media was trying to make him better because they, the media, wanted a black QB to succeed. So in other words he got called on something and he backtracked. Hush is so used to making stupid comments like that because he never has to answer for his remarks. This time he got hammered for it and rightfully so.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I didn’t watch real close until right after Rush made the comment. His aim was bad for all long throws. The receivers didn’t miss on the games I watched, he threw the ball out of their range. And really, he ran the ball more than a QB is suppose to.

Fine

Link:

Donovan McNabb #5

330 completions out of 569 attempts for 58% and 3365 yards. That’s an average of 210.3 yards per game and 5.9 yards per attempt. He rushed 86 times for 629 yards. He throws 13 interceptions and gets sacked 45 times for a loss of 262 yards.

285 completions out of 493 attempts for 57.8% and 3233 yards. That’s an average of 202.1 yards per game and 6.6 yards per attempt. He rushed 82 times for 482 yards. He throws 12 interceptions and gets sacked 39 times for a loss of 273 yards.

Now let’s be clear about something the PC types ignore. McNabb’s teammate, fellow QB A.J. Feeling had a 2001 QB rating of 114, yet they played McNabb. Affirmative action anyone? He also had a 71.4 completion average for 10.2 yards per attempt.

There is still nothing stellar about his stats. Round to the nearest integer and it’s three points. Manning had a 88.8! Please don’t exaggerate.

211 completions out of 361 attempts for 58.4% and 2289 yards. That’s an average of 228.9 yards per game and 6.3 yards per attempt. He rushed 63 times for 460 yards. Add 6 TD’s rushing to your number! Shouldn’t he be someone running the ball, not a QB? He throws 17 interceptions and gets sacked 28 times for a loss of 273 yards.

McNabb’s teammate, fellow QB Koy Detmer had a 2002 QB rating of 115.8, yet they played McNabb. Affirmative action angain? He also had a 67.9 completion average for 8 yards per attempt.

I cannot attest to those first few years myself. I do know that without his rushing TD's the rating would be lower. Again, he couldn't throw the ball well.

275 completions out of 478 attempts for 57.5% and 3216 yards. That’s an average of 201 yards per game and 6.7 yards per attempt. He rushed 71 times for 335 yards. He throws 11 interceptions and gets sacked 43 times for a loss of 253 yards.

Don’t you McNabb supporters get it? He is appears to be a product of affirmative action. With the two years before playing him instead of better quarterbacks from the same team, people wonder why the criticism? Also, only in the 2004 season was McNabb able to do a 60% passing average and 7 yard per attempt with is considered the standard measure of a good QB!

Should we compare that to another QB? How about my Seahawks, Matt Hasselbeck; link:

Matt Hasselbeck #8 :

2000:
10 completions out of 19 attempts for 52.6% and 104 yards. That’s an average of 6.5 yards per game and 5.5 yards per attempt. He rushed 4 times for a 5 yard loss. He throws 0 interceptions and gets sacked once for a loss of 2 yards.

Looks like a pretty slow season…

2001:
176 completions out of 321 attempts for 54.8% and 2023 yards. That’s an average of 155.6 yards per game and 6.3 yards per attempt. He rushed 40 times for 141 yards. He throws 8 interceptions and gets sacked 38 times for a loss of 251 yards.


2002:
267 completions out of 419 attempts for 63.7% and 3075 yards. That’s an average of 192.2 yards per game and 7.3 yards per attempt. He rushed 40 times for 202 yards. He throws 10 interceptions and gets sacked 26 times for a loss of 143 yards.

Hasselbeck made the gold standard now of 60%/7 yards.

2003:
313 completions out of 513 attempts for 61% and 3841 yards. That’s an average of 240.1 yards per game and 7.5 yards per attempt. He rushed 36 times for 125 yards. He throws 15 interceptions and gets sacked 42 times for a loss of 246 yards.

Gold standard two years in a row.

Look at the trends. Hasselbeck gets better and McNabb is pretty much flat over the same timeframe. Consider this. Hasselbeck has a 60.2% career passing average for 7.1 yards per attempt. McNabb’s is 58.2% and 6.8 yards.

Cool... Gold standard for a career average for Hasselbeck... Donovan, where are you?

He is above average for a QB in overall ratings now, but not so special before. Rush is right in that the only reason he had as much media attention as he did is that he is a black QB! During 2001 and 2002, he had just above average QB ratings. It’s good to see he was able to make himself better, but the hype about him in 2000 to 2003 was overrated. It was just for PR and PC reasons.

QB stat links:

2001

2002

Now the two other QB’s I mentioned were rally not that good for career averages, but they did rather well with the same receivers McNabb had. It supports the rumor I heard that McNabb was the weak link, not the receivers. Have to consider when you are replacing the regular, hard to stay in a zone unless you have several consecutive quarters too.

I did some fact finding. In wiki’s entry for Rush; link:

Rush’s Sports casting career:

do you understand sports in general? I almost fell out of my chair reading that you think Mcnabb only played because he was black. You go on to say that their were others better than him but he played because of affirmative action. Let me let you in on a little secret about professional sports. They want to win at any cost so whether the QB is white or black the bottom line is winning and not making a social statement. I am in a state of disbelief right now because I could swear someone just said that affirmatice action played a part in sports. Another important aspect of team sports is that most young players have a rough time their first few years..(that's a secret don't tell anyone) and most teams allow these players to take their lumps to gain experience.

[clambake]

do you understand sports in general? I almost fell out of my chair reading that you think Mcnabb only played because he was black. You go on to say that their were others better than him but he played because of affirmative action. Let me let you in on a little secret about professional sports. They want to win at any cost so whether the QB is white or black the bottom line is winning and not making a social statement. I am in a state of disbelief right now because I could swear someone just said that affirmatice action played a part in sports. Another important aspect of team sports is that most young players have a rough time their first few years..(that's a secret don't tell anyone) and most teams allow these players to take their lumps to gain experience.

Careful, you're going to encourage a few posters to break out their white hoods.

[ChumpDumper]

I hear McNabb called Hasselbeck an asshole.

[Wild Cobra]

I almost fell out of my chair reading that you think Mcnabb only played because he was black.

I never said "ONLY" but yes, his race was an obvious factor considering the lack of black QB's in the NFL. Look at the media covering ‘the black QB”

Why can’t we be a colorblind society? It is obviously a race thing. Limbaugh is the type that would have made the same remark if McNabb was white, but because NcNabb was Black, the truth is not acceptable, and automatically dubbed racist!

You go on to say that their were others better than him but he played because of affirmative action. Let me let you in on a little secret about professional sports. They want to win at any cost so whether the QB is white or black the bottom line is winning and not making a social statement.

Consider what the statistics say. You threw a bunch at me, so I threw some back. Right or wrong, there are clear perceptions that can be drawn for how well the other two Eagles QB's played in McNabbs absence. This was BEFORE the Limbaugh remark

I am in a state of disbelief right now because I could swear someone just said that affirmatice action played a part in sports.

Warning... the next sentence is not serious, but an example of correcting racial imbalance:

Maybe it should have affirmative action in sports so we can have a ratio of white that reflects society?

Another important aspect of team sports is that most young players have a rough time their first few years..(that's a secret don't tell anyone) and most teams allow these players to take their lumps to gain experience.

No ...

And all that, and McNabb still falls short of the standard that requires a 60% pass completion and 7 yard average.

Explain that!

How can anyone consider him a top QB when he misses that critical mark?

Could that be the whole basis of the Limbaugh remark?

Why are so many people so prejudice that they always think a critical remark from a white directed at a black is racist. Give me a break, and stop focusing on color.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I hear McNabb called Hasselbeck an asshole.

But that's ok because Tony Romo called Hasselbeck an asshole first.