Atlanta makes the playoffs with Amare getting the scoring le this year (if atlanta finds a pg).
I am wondering what the Suns do with their rotation though. Do they keep their current team or do they continue to shop Marion? If they move Marion, do they plug Diaw into that spot? Do they put Barbosa as the backup 2 and get a real pg?
Thomas is getting old to depend on for extended minutes I'm afraid.
If they can get garnett to finally play like a pf instead of a sf, they are a better team for now. If Garnett is an idiot and keeps taking outside shots, the Suns become too unbalanced offensively; with Amare they at least had some inside scoring.
This suns team is better IF they play some team D. If not, this team is worse. Garnett is not going to be as unstoppable on the pnr as Amare was.
well, the Suns did enter this off-season with the burning need to shed some payroll to avoid a Cuban-like luxury tax bill. Getting Garnett, even at the expense of losing Amare, only makes that looming bill worse. If this deal goes down, it does make you wonder if Sarver is cool with paying the tax for one year to take a shot at a le or if there is still another move coming from the Suns to stave off some of the taxes in the near term.
yah but they figure nash is old so these are his only chances, once he is gone phoenix is going to be worth a
Last edited by AnkleBreaker21; 06-27-2007 at 06:19 PM.
What the Hawks need is for the owners to stay out of the personnel business. Doesn't look like that's going to happen any time soon.
Why should we breathe easier? We're 3-0 in the last 3 series vs. PHO, and 12-5 in overall games in those series, 7-2 on YOUR floor. I frankly don't GAF what your whiner ing franhcise does. There is a culture of choking/losing there that Garnett isn't going to help. He will blend right in, though.
I honestly dont think Amare is that good, Steve Nash is the main reason he scores as much as he does. Rarely is Amare ever creating for himself and with some of his quickness visibly gone its gonna be that much harder for him. IMO if Amare loses Nash he will have a significant drop off in points unless hes shooting that much more, which can very well be the case in Atl. I just think its a lot easier to score when everyone is trying to guard Nash and he slips it to you 2 feet away from the basket.
Bingo. Give the man a prize.
Amare will still beat up on the east make no mistake, but he's never going to look as good as he did with Nash spoon-feeding him dunks. He wasn't a great creator before he lost his explosiveness so he'd better hope Johnson learns how to spoon feed him like he's used to.
What was the Suns record when Nash was out for while a couple years back? And what was it like when Amare went down? Hmmmmm.
How can people argue that it will slow Phoenix down for a time while KG learns the system? WHAT SYSTEM? Run your ass down the floor and take the first mediocre shot available. Then run back, play matador defense so you can get the ball back ASAP. If I were a Phoenix fan I'd welcome this trade, KG has never backed away from guarding Duncan, and that allows Phoenix to keep Kurt Thomas off the floor so they dont have to play 4 on 5 on the offensive end just for the sake of trying to stop Tim.
This also takes Phoenix out of the awkward position of building for the future and building for Nash at once. Obviously Nash doesn't have too many years left, so if the Phoenix FO really feels KG is better than Amare RIGHT NOW then you take your shot. Especially in the culture of the NBA, who says these front office guys will still have a job when it comes time to build around Amare if they can't win a le when building around Nash. If they feel that as of this moment KG gives Phoenix a better chance to win then you have to pull the trigger.
Great point. I probably should have mentioned that too.
Without Nash, Stoudemire is going to have to work a lot more for his baskets.. I see his career stalling if this trade materializes. But Phienix may be better off for the next several years.
Garnett>>Amare.
Amare looks like his hops are only 2/3 of what they once were. His best offensive move is to jump into the defender to draw a foul. Garnett is twice the defender Amare is and a much better rebounder.
I think Garnett would make the Suns a very dangerous team in the '08 playoffs.
Garnett plays too much away from the basket. He needs another big man to free him up for his style of play. Rasho wasn't anything special, but he took up space that allowed Garnett to roam free. There are no space eaters in Phx. Garnett will do good on the open floor, but his inside game is weak. Garnett is not going to provide Phx more than Amare. Amare has been hurt and just started to get his hops back. In Atl. he will get more looks, more rebounds and more of everything because they will try to play real basketball and not "I'm free for three" lauch-athon of the Suns.
i just think the trade would be a wash. garnett bothers duncan, sure, but if i remember the stats someone posted comparing the two, their numbers are awfully similar. so that matchups a push. gino showed that he can crush raja bell and i don't remember marion being that big a deal on parker, but my memory may simply be bad. my bigger curiousity is who else gets dealt from the suns. hopefully more than thomas.
LMAO
it would be GREAT to see Amare out of the west
and the lakers thought thaey hd enough with bynum and odom, hahahaha
how on earth have hawks fans not assasinated the owners?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2919016
The Minnesota Timberwolves' attempts to get a great deal for Kevin Garnett hit a major roadblock on Wednesday afternoon, sources told ESPN.com.
According to multiple sources, the Timberwolves have been talking to multiple teams about finding a third team to help facilitate a Garnett trade.
As ESPN.com reported on Tuesday evening, Minnesota was looking to acquire Atlanta's No. 3 and No. 11 picks in the draft along with several cap-friendly contracts from the Hawks and Phoenix Suns. To participate, Atlanta wanted Amare Stoudemire from Phoenix.
On Wednesday, sources say one of the Hawks owners vetoed a hypothetical deal for Stoudemire.
The Suns claim to have never had any direct contact with the Hawks about a deal. While they have shown strong interest in acquiring Garnett, the deal never reached a stage where they were asked by either team to give up Stoudemire and never offered him in a trade.
While teams like the Lakers and Suns will continue to pursue Garnett, and the Wolves seem intent on trading him, sources say that it's unlikely a deal goes down by the time of the draft.
The latest drama in the KG saga shows some of the perils of dealing with the Hawks -- arguably the most dysfunctional franchise in the league.
The Hawks ownership group, Atlanta Spirit LLC, is embroiled in a nasty lawsuit with former partner Steve Belkin. Belkin won a lawsuit against Atlanta Spirit LLC last summer and a judge ruled that he could buy out the owners of Atlanta Spirit and gain full ownership of the team. Atlanta Spirit is currently appealing the ruling.
In the meantime, Belkin holds some authority over the team. He can veto any trade or free agent signing that takes the team above the NBA salary cap. Several sources suggested that it was Belkin who vetoed the trade.
This fiasco isn't the only situation the Hawks are dealing with. Sources said that Hawks general manager Billy Knight is in a dispute with some of the Hawks owners over who to take at No. 3. Knight prefers Florida's Al Horford. Some in the Hawks ownership, including influential owner Michael Gearon Jr., want to draft Yi Jianlian out of China.
Ding, dong this is dead! Holy crap... I've never heard so much said about a trade that made so little sense, nor even matched salary-wise.
Yeah, but the funny thing is the team that stood to gain the most from the trade vetoed it. Billy Knight could've righted a lot of wrongs and his ownership kills him. Now reports are coming that they want to take Yi with the 3rd pick.
Yeah, I don't get where all this hubbub came from. By all accounts Phoenix hasn't shown interest in giving up Amare for KG. This trade "proposal" didn't solve that so unless someone heard something from Phoenix, which it sure doesn't sound like anyone did, this rumor should have been DOA.
Official: Chances for 3-team deal overblown
/ Associated Press
Posted: 1 hour ago
Reports the Phoenix Suns were nearing a deal to acquire Kevin Garnett were downplayed Wednesday by an NBA official with knowledge of the situation.
Contrary to several reports, the official told The Associated Press, the sides were not close to a three-team deal that would send Amare Stoudemire to Atlanta and Garnett from Minnesota to Phoenix.
Publicity regarding the Suns' possible acquisition of Garnett had been overblown, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the subject. However, the Timberwolves and Suns have talked about Garnett, the person confirmed.
A more likely scenario would have Phoenix trading up in the order of Thursday's draft, though few teams seem interested in moving down with what's regarded as a deep talent pool available.
Suns officials did not return telephone messages left at their offices on Wednesday, but new general manager Steve Kerr indicated on Tuesday that anything that might happen probably wouldn't occur until Thursday.
"Everything usually comes down to the last minute because everybody's waiting for the home run," Kerr said Tuesday, "and usually no one hits one."
D'Antoni wasn't talking like a coach who expected to lose Stoudemire.
"We can get better with what we have," D'Antoni said, "and we should play better next year. One more year together, Amare's going to get better. We're going to be better. If we can get the end of the bench a little bit better and some of our guys come back ready to roll, then we're automatically better."
D'Antoni long has cautioned against breaking up the nucleus of a team that's won three consecutive Pacific Division les. Stoudemire came back from microfracture surgery on one knee and arthroscopic surgery on the other to make first team all-NBA last season.
Had Stoudemire not been suspended for taking a few too many steps off the bench when San Antonio's Robert Horry sent Steve Nash crashing into the scorer's table, the Suns might have won their Western Conference semifinal series with the eventual NBA champion Spurs.
The scenario being bandied about had the Suns sending Stoudemire to Atlanta, the Hawks shifting their No. 3 pick and other selections to Minnesota, and the Timberwolves shipping Garnett to Phoenix.
The idea gained a bit of credence because Garnett, a good friend of Nash, has said he would like to play for the Suns. But Stoudemire is 24 and Garnett 31. Still, Kerr has told the players that no one on the team is untouchable.
Another supposed deal would send Shawn Marion to Boston, with the Celtics giving Minnesota their No. 5 pick and Garnett coming to Phoenix. Celtics general manager Danny Ainge deflated that report by saying it was "unlikely" Boston would trade its pick.
There was considerable evidence, though, that Phoenix was attempting to acquire a better draft pick. The Suns have the 24th and 29th picks, but many of the players brought to Phoenix to work out for the team are sure to gone before those picks.
North Carolina power forward Brandan Wright and Florida State small forward Al Thornton worked out for Phoenix on Wednesday. That follows workouts Tuesday by two members of the NCAA champion Florida Gators — small forward Corey Brewer and power forward Joakim Noah - along with Georgetown small forward Jeff Green.
"All really impressive kids," Kerr said on Tuesday. "They're compe ors, really good players. That's why they're projected to go in the top 10."
Moving up, if it's possible at all, would not come easily. Phoenix might have to part with the pick it holds from Atlanta next season.
"Of course it's going to come with a price," Kerr said. "So you have to evaluate that, whether it means giving up something in the future, you have to evaluate whether it makes sense."
Remember when we were this close to trading Parker for Kidd, but it didn't happen? Think of how horrible Parker must have felt and how much much maturity it took on his part to get over his hurt feelings. Now consider how Amare feels. What's kind of player will Amare be next year for PHX if the deal doesn't happen?
To piggyback, there's also a story that says the Hawks Ownership is putting on the pressure to select Yi Jianlian because they have an interest IN EXPANDING TO CHINA!
SOMEONE TELL THESE PEOPLE THAT THE NBA IS NOT A BUSINESS VENTURE, BUT AN ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY!!!!
Yi will not sell tickets and will not win games....
Damn, I hate living here and having to deal with this crap constantly....
New twist in Garnett Saga....Bobcats getting involved
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2919016The Minnesota Timberwolves' attempts to trade Kevin Garnett continued Thursday afternoon.
The Wolves have contacted the Charlotte Bobcats to try to help facilitate a deal for Garnett, one day after a potential three-way deal with the Phoenix Suns and the Atlanta Hawks hit a roadblock.
According to sources, the Wolves are asking the Bobcats to give up the No. 8 pick along with an undisclosed player. In the proposed deal, Garnett would go to Phoenix, and the Suns would send Amare Stoudemire to Charlotte. The Bobcats would also be required to take Suns guard Marcus Banks.
The Bobcats have been offering the No. 8 pick to various teams for weeks and have several offers. If they can't get something worked out with Minnesota and Phoenix before the draft, the Bobcats will likely move the pick in another deal, a source said.
However, a source in Phoenix continues to maintain that the team has not had any conversations about trading Stoudemire.
This is just the latest turn in what has been an increasingly bizarre saga of Minnesota superstar Kevin Garnett, who was until recently considered untouchable.
ESPN.com first reported on June 18 that Minnesota GM Kevin McHale was finally listening to trade offers for Garnett and was talking to the Boston Celtics. Shortly after that, Garnett's agent said Garnett would opt out of his contract if he were traded to Boston.
In the last few days, the Lakers got into the picture, trying to work a four-way trade and then a direct deal with the Wolves for Garnett.
When that fell through, Minnesota began looking to acquire Atlanta's No. 3 and No. 11 picks in Thursday's draft along with several cap-friendly contracts from the Hawks and Phoenix Suns. To participate, Atlanta wanted Amare Stoudemire from Phoenix.
On Wednesday, sources say one of the Hawks owners vetoed a hypothetical deal for Stoudemire for financial reasons.
However, late Wednesday night the Wolves were trying to resurrect the deal in a way that would overcome the objections. The sticking point has been a trade kicker in Garnett's contract. The Wolves were talking to a fourth team that could help alleviate the financial burden on Atlanta and Phoenix.
"All I can tell you is we're talking to a lot of people," Hawks general manager Billy Knight said Wednesday afternoon, according to the Atlanta Journal-Cons ution. "I can't say that anything is imminent or even likely to take place. Right now, we have the No. 3 and No. 11 picks and that's all we have.
"We feel good about what we could do if we draft at No. 3 and then again at No. 11. But we are talking ... we're talking about a lot of different things, and we're going to continue to do so up until the draft begins."
The Suns claim to have never had any direct contact with the Hawks about a deal. While they have shown strong interest in acquiring Garnett, the deal never reached a stage where they were asked by either team to give up Stoudemire and never offered him in a trade.
While teams like the Lakers and Suns will continue to pursue Garnett, and the Wolves seem intent on trading him, sources say that it's unlikely, but not impossible, that a deal goes down by the time of the draft.
The latest drama in the Garnett saga shows some of the perils of dealing with the Hawks -- arguably the most dysfunctional franchise in the league.
The Hawks ownership group, Atlanta Spirit LLC, is embroiled in a nasty lawsuit with former partner Steve Belkin. Belkin won a lawsuit against Atlanta Spirit LLC last summer and a judge ruled that he could buy out the owners of Atlanta Spirit and gain full ownership of the team. Atlanta Spirit is currently appealing the ruling.
In the meantime, Belkin holds some authority over the team. He can veto any trade or free agent signing that takes the team above the NBA salary cap. Several sources suggested that it was Belkin who vetoed the trade.
This fiasco isn't the only situation the Hawks are dealing with. Sources said that Knight is in a dispute with some of the Hawks owners over who to take at No. 3. Knight prefers Florida's Al Horford. Some in the Hawks ownership, including influential owner Michael Gearon Jr., want to draft Yi Jianlian out of China.
Reported deal is KG to Suns, Amare + Banks to Bobcats, and #8 + undisclosed player (Felton, May, Okafor?) to T-Wolves...but it's just speculation to this point.
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