Well, I'm convinced.
We all know Ginobili can score, but Oberto???
Vaughn can sometimes hit the open j, but Bowen can only hit it from the corners and that's if TD is in the game to draw double teams. No one in that lineup besides Ginobili can create their own shot to save their lives.
Why am I arguing with the village idiot again?
Vaughn did what he was supposed to do last year, and gave us some quality minutes as well. He's fine. Get off his case!!!
Geez, this Vaughn hate is completley stupid.
Someone's got to...We all know Ginobili can score, but Oberto???
Vaughn can sometimes hit the open j, but Bowen can only hit it from the corners and that's if TD is in the game to draw double teams. No one in that lineup besides Ginobili can create their own shot to save their lives.
Why am I arguing with the village idiot again?
jacque runs the point very well, and is a very good defender. he hustles and isnt afraid to take an open jumper. he isn't the best, but he does what the spurs ask him to do. i couldnt ask for more than that
Keep Vaughn. A smart, reliable back-up. If it ain't broken? Why fix it?
ya brevin had such an incredible year leading his team to the playoffs and winning so many games...oh nevermindsadly....wouldnt mind beno
If there's no better option then just sign and clause 'no shooting'
I thought I heard that Devin Harris was available, although I'm trying to confirm that and can't at the moment.
He'd be a nice fit I think. He's young, so mistakes will be made, but he's not a bad defender and he's just as quick as Parker. If you want Parker lite, Harris is it.
Again, not sure if he's available, but I wouldn't mind that signing were it to happen. Problem is, he may be too expensive if he's free to leave.
Just throwing it out there.
Devin Harris, Dallas Mavericks (restricted)
It’s likely the Mavericks would match any offer made to Harris, but a team like the Atlanta Hawks could get a little crazy and make him an offer the Mavs would politely refuse. Harris hasn’t quite fulfilled all their expectations, but his inconsistency seems to be getting better – just not quite as fast as the team had hoped.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_22383.shtml
I see he's a restricted free agent. Even if the Spurs were dead set on getting him, it would be tough to get him because you know Cuban wouldn't want him to go to the Spurs unless they offered an outrageous deal.
Oh well. No big loss I guess.
So you want to replace a reserve PG with proven Championship experience, proven endurance and resilience, and proven leadership skills who knows the offense with an injury prone, unproven PG with a worse jump shot?
There should be a pre-requisite class of Basketball 101 necessary to post here. You and quite a few others here know absolutely nothing about basketball and talk completely out of your ass. You should be the butt of an ESPN commercial about talking out of your ass.
I guess you've never seen Tony Parker play. His game is predicated on creating his own shot.
Vaughn does need to go, he's a detriment and a liability to the team. He takes way too many shot attempts and makes too many mental errors/turnovers. Winning a championship has probably erased how awful this guy was from your mind, but he's easily the worst player on the squad.
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hes not worse than elson and udrihbut he's easily the worst player on the squad.
wrong wrong wrong
Every now and again. He deserves vet minimum, not 1.7 mill.Vaughn plays good D, can bring the ball up the court, and hits the open jumper. What more do you want from a backup at minimum wage? Sheesh.
[QUOTE=BeerIsGood!]So you want to replace a reserve PG with proven Championship experience, proven endurance and resilience, and proven leadership skills who knows the offense with an injury prone, unproven PG with a worse jump shot?
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Championship experience? That means that teams should be fighting like mad for the services of Brent Barry. Why don't we trade our champions, Vaughn, Barry, and Elson for KG? He was a glorified babysitter. Why do people overplay his importance in the playoffs?
[QUOTE=cecil collins]I don't remember seeing Tony Parker play 48 minutes a game throughout the playoffs and the Finals, and during the time he wasn't in there was this little guy named Vaughn who was playing defense, running the offense, and being a leader on and off the court. He knocked down open jumpshots at a consistent pace as the playoffs went on. I don't see how you can downplay his importance.
I was responding to the guy who wanted Brevin Knight to replace Vaughn - the same Brevin Knight who has a worse jumpshot and is constantly injured. The thing about Vaughn is that we know that he can come in to spell TP and run the offense, play defense, and play close to mistake free. That's the Championship experience, and for a fraction of what Knight would cost. He knows the offense and has the confidence of his coach and team.
Look, I'm not saying that the Spurs shouldn't be looking for another reserve point guard, I just think they should retain Vaughn as long as the price is right and find a way to get another PG by way of getting rid of Beno. IMO this would be the perfect situation to take a chance on a young, big PG if the Spurs can find one. The Spurs don't need another PG scorer, and definitely don't need a PG chucker. They need a big PG who can run the offense during spot minutes and effectively match up against the bigger PG of the league (such as Utah's Deron Williams). Right now the Spurs have one star PG and one solid backup, but they're both small and have trouble defensively with bigger guards.
Royal Ivey is the answer. He has a subpar jumpshot, minimal dribbling skills, but he's athletic, 6'4, and very defensive minded. I don't mind Vaughn unless he starts getting more credit, and money then he deserves.
Vaughn isn't spectacular, but he's solid.
Sign him up! He has BAROY written all over him.
Ok but only if he promises to wash it off...that's kind of a strange thing to have written all over him.
Hopefully Vaughn won't think he deserves to be paid more than he deserves to be paid...
I hated the guy in the early part of the season, in fact I think I disliked seeing him come into the game just about more than I have any player to suit up for the Spurs in the Duncan era, but he won me over during SPAM.
He hits his shots consistently when teams dare him to shoot...it's not that easy to find guys who can do that, and I think he surprised everyone, including the Spurs brass...with his ability to hit them consistently. TimVP posted his PCT on his midrange...I think his PCT when he was open and being dared to shoot was much higher...I think over 50% during the playoffs, and I was watching that pretty closely as that has been an important thing to me since the Drob era. IF you have role players that can simply hit their open shots on a team with Tim Duncan...Tim Duncan(and Parker and Manu) will take care of the rest.
Vaughn is a must sign unless he asks for more than he's worth. It'd be so nice if he would be an easy signing and eliminate that worry(and cap space issues) from the off season.
For the record:
Nick van Exel in 2006 playoffs:
133 min, 7-32 FG, 3-10 3ptFG, 17 assists, 5 turnovers.
Vaughn in 2007:
209 min, 20-50 FG, 0-0 3ptFG, 28 assists, 11 turnovers.
Oh, and one championship ring.
Point being, JV was far better suited to the backup PG role for the Spurs than the 'savvy veteran' NVE. And that doesn't even consider his defense---NVE had none in the '06 playoffs. Now, if you can get someone better for the same cost, who's willing to play that role, fine with me. But don't bash the guy over his allegedly poor stats----the facts don't bear that out.
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