It's far from sure.
The Cavs offer was likely linked to Gooden leaving for Sacramento.
I can imagine Scola saying no to Chicago (cold city, defense first team and not a lot of playtime available).
And Scola+Butler for a 2nd round pick is a better deal than Scola for a 2nd round pick.
This was purely a dump Butler move. Rockets asked what will you give us to take this guy off your hands. Spurs respond by sending them someone who was never going to play here anyway. One more roster space and some extra change to spend on a FA. I'll be shocked if Bulter is with the Rockets by opening nite.
How many times have you seen him play ?
People seem to forget that Butler is in a fix, he will not get better in San Antonio, he can't play in the D-league, all he can do is sit the bench, play in blowouts and get screwed in his development sending him packing is the best thing for him, who cares about Scola, he was dead to me last year.
Fact is Butler would never be a good player for us and unless we get a 1st which obviously no one wanted to offer then I would rather have the cap space
Numerous teams would have taken him for a 2nd rounder before the draft, which the Spurs laughed at. Then they turned around and threw him in as filler to the Rockets. I don't know why you aren't getting this.
As for the buyouts, it's clear now that Scola wasn't lying that he could get out of his contract last year, the Spurs were. The Rockets are about to sign him for the figure he's been asking for all along. Proof is in the pudding. I don't know why you're not getting this.
I have people I trust who have seen him play- what little that was last season. He surely does not compare to Luis Scola as the poster claimed.
First, they traded him in a better deal than Scola for a 2nd round pick.
Second, teams likely wouldhave asked to talk to Scola before doing the deal and Scola could ahve said no to them.
i don't knwo why you aren't getting this.
Spurs have never said that Scola couldn't sign with them next summer but they have decided to go with Elson/Butler over him.
Look at this from the Rockets' point of view. They made out like felons.
That's what you're not getting. Perhaps you've heard of the Rockets? Division rivals? Why aren't you grasping that this was a piss poor trade in the face of a number of other trades? The Spurs could have gotten far more for Butler and Scola, together or separately, in a number of other basketball-positive deals, but wanted the money instead.
Stop painting lipstick on this pig. I won't it.
He isn't Scola but I'm just amazed how people can say "Ian is at least 2 or 3 years from even being a borderline NBA quality player" while they barely know him.
Mahinmi isn't nba ready for the moment but he has a lot of qualities and could be a good nba player in 08-09 if everything goes well. He is a very good prospect.
They didn't have to trade Butler, that's for certain. Scola's situation has always been somewhat murky but if the Spurs really wanted him on the team he would have made it over earlier. Gifting those two within the division is rather questionable, even with them pulling netting $6.85 mil out of the deal.
Continue to live in your fantasy world Mr. Body.
Fact is that you (baring you aren't RC Buford) and I haven't a clue about that "The Spurs could have gotten far more for Butler and Scola, together or separately, in a number of other basketball-positive deals, but wanted the money instead."
It's your POV, I respect it but it's far from being a sure thing.
Even you said he was a couple of years away from the NBA but now that has changed!
As it is, I do not even think the Spurs are going to bring him over this season.
I've never said that Mahinmi couldn't start to help Spurs in 08-09.
Here are a few FACTS for you.
#1.) Scola was only going to accept being traded to a few certain teams.
#2.) We had until July 15th to deal him, or lose all value for him as he was going to sign a longterm deal with Tau that had no buyout.
#3.) NO ONE was offering more than a second round DP for Scola.
The Spurs were the ones with ZERO leverage. And despite having zero leverage, they were not only able to still get the EXACT same thing in return for Scola that all the other teams were offering a second round DP, they were also able to save themselves $7 million dollars.
Even going with the idea that everyone has that we could have gotten a second round DP for Butler, is a second round DP really more advantageous to the team than $7 million dollars to work with?
A year ago you said he was a couple years away, now you claim he's not -- why can't you be more consistent!?!
I've never said that Mahinmi couldn't start to help Spurs in 08-09.
At least this trade opens up a roster spot for spurs to sign Slokar.
Because he has had a bad year with Pau in France.A year ago you said he was a couple years away, now you claim he's not -- why can't you be more consistent!?!
BB wise, he lost a year.
The only postive of his year with Pau Orthez is that his body is more nba ready now and that he should be mentally stronger after this difficult year.
And the sooner Spurs sign him, the sooner he will be ready to help them.
Sorry, I was kidding.
If you were dead right about 08-09 all along, he would have been a couple of years away a year ago.
My bad, I haven't read your post carefully.
Before the trade:
After the trade:
These takes aren't adding up.
Now that is the understatement of all time.
I haven't said that Butler > 2nd round pick.
I have said that dumping Butler makes sense for Spurs and after his good showing in SL, that it maybe doesn't make less sense.
Today, we learned that Pop was fed up with Butler. Dumping his contract was the thing to do.
About Scola : keeping or signing Scola wasn't a solution available. Scola didn't want to sign with Spurs and was going to sign an extension with Tau. The fact that he wanted to play only for a limited number of team should has hurted a lot his trade value.
How many significant minutes did you all realistically see Butler and Scola playing? We already have TD, Oberto, Elson, Horry, and Bonner. We have Ian and Tiago who the spurs felt were just as good if not better for our system than these two, so why not make the path easier for them to get to us at the same time free up some money and allow Luis to play in the NBA like he wanted. I think we made a pretty good deal, b/c basically this deal was Udoka/2nd Rd/$$$ for Butler/Scola.
Why is sports writing so bad, in general?
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