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who gives a ? they both suck.
I am pretty positive Rasho averaged 2 blocks per 40 minutes in Euroleague.
who gives a ? they both suck.
The Mahinmi haters are going to get owned.
I suggest all go back and watch him play again....
Some news about Mahinmi injury :
Mahinmi rehab is going well. He is ahead of schedule and should be back before the 8 weeks planned.
That's if Mahinmi was injured at all.
If the Spurs wanted to showcase Butler to up his trade value, they wouldn't want Mahinmi getting in the way. Plus who gets injured going up for a dunk? No one that I know, excluding Marcus Camby of course.
You'd be surprised
Not that I disagree with the point you are making...
And obviously the Spurs were showcasing Butler.
I just went back and looked at Ian's totals from last year...pretty similar to Jackie's numbers...except Ian was younger. I was particularly impressed with Ian's numbers in the final game against a talented Jazz squad that included Paul Milsap.
The main thing Ian needed to work on was his strength...and everything I have read seems to indicate Ian has indeed worked on that and the Spurs are very happy about it.
Ian's more of a rebounder than Butler is IMO.
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Or if you don't like that...in 03 when he was going up for a dunk and got fouled by Webber up high...ended up missing quite a bit of time IIRC.
Mahinmi's was a non-contact injury.
IIRC Drob got his thumb stuck in the net on a dunk...It might have been a shot block...but I'd put money on it being a dunk before I would a block.
That injury was always hard to pinpoint when it happened IIRC...because he played a few games after it happened. But I remember seeing the game where he first looked at his thumb running down the court after a dunk....then like a week later they said he most likely done for the regular season and hurt it in that game I saw him look at his thumb after the dunk...then again, that was 15 years ago and I haven't seen a replay of the event since then...so I could be way off...I'm usually not on this sort of thing though.
Didn't some er from the Celtics end his career trying to dunk during a dead ball?
You must have clicked on a wrong link somewhere in your researching.
Mahinmi
24.3 minutes
8.3 points
5.7 rebounds
.6 blocks
.2 assists
Butler
28.0 minutes
12.2 points
7.0 rebounds
1.0 blocks
2.4 assists
If by "pretty similar" you meant "Butler dominated Mahinmi in every category" then I understand your mistake. I like Mahinmi and hope he'll do good but:
A) Butler put his numbers to shame in every category.
B) If Mahinmi is the second coming, why did the Spurs try to sign Amir Johnson?
Try again. On top of that, fat ass Butler blocked more shots. Mahinmi averaged the same amount of blocks he averaged in Euroleague.
You must have clicked on a wrong link somewhere in your researching.
Mahinmi
24.3 minutes
8.3 points
5.7 rebounds
.6 blocks
.2 assists
Butler
28.0 minutes
12.2 points
7.0 rebounds
1.0 blocks
2.4 assists
If by "pretty similar" you meant "Butler dominated Mahinmi in every category" then I understand your mistake. I like Mahinmi and hope he'll do good but:
A) Butler put his numbers to shame in every category.
B) If Mahinmi is the second coming, why did the Spurs try to sign Amir Johnson?
Try again. On top of that, fat ass Butler blocked more shots. Mahinmi averaged the same amount of blocks he averaged in Euroleague.
Go look at it on a game by game basis.
Robinson hurt his thumb when he collided with Kenny Gattison of the Charlotte Hornets. You don't remember the season flashing before your eyes?
Robinson tried to tough it out but it looked pretty ugly when it happened.
Good idea. Since averages aren't derived from games played.
No, I don't. In fact I didn't think much about it at all...I just remember him looking down at his hand....and I am almost certain he did it after a dunk. And I remember saying WTF when I found out he was going to miss the rest of the regular season...
I don't remember anything like that...and I am pretty sure he played a few games after it happened and scored like there no problems whatsoever.
Then I must have been taking a piss or something when the initial incident happened. I don't remember it being the result of any kind of collision at all...I do think it was against the Hornets though....Hornets or Sixers.Robinson tried to tough it out but it looked pretty ugly when it happened.
Averages are averages and not an indication of peak perfomance...
Averages are the statistical equivalent of racism.
Yeah he played like three or four more games. His final game he shot pretty poorly and the wrap thing on his hand was bothering everything he was trying to do. He didn't want the surgery but the doctors said it could be career-ending if he hurt it further.
Unless there is a youtube or something out there, you'll have to trust me. But I remember the exact play. Kenny Gattison and David Robinson collide. Robinson immediately grabs his thumb. Replays ugly. 10-year-old timvp fears the worst.
Fair enough...you might have seen something I didn't...and I genuinely might have been taking a piss when the actual incident happened. I just remember seeing him look at his hand after a dunk and shaking it.
Unless there is a youtube or something out there, you'll have to trust me. But I remember the exact play. Kenny Gattison and David Robinson collide. Robinson immediately grabs his thumb. Replays ugly. 10-year-old timvp fears the worst.
Well I never saw any kind of replay...but I'll check with my old man who was at the game too. It might have been nice if he'd told me that bit of info...instead of letting me find it out in the middle of a message board argument 15 years later.
And BTW...you really do yourself a disservice by not checking Ian's stats more thoroughly...Ian had some crappy games, he also had some really nice games. Just like Butler...difference is...Ian's fouls were because of playing too hard, and being too light..those weren't Jackie's problem.
No doubt Jackie is a more polished offensive player than Ian(although I bet Ian wouldn't blow 14 ing dunks in a row)...but Ian is definitely more of a hustler, defender, rebounder. IOW...the type of player the Spurs want.
And say what you want about the Spurs going after Amir...but it's pretty obvious the Spurs wanted Ian on the roster this year from early on(and probably still do). I'm glad they went after Amir...since he's got more NBA experience than Ian...the fact that they were willing to cut Jackie loose inspite of being more experienced should tell you all you need to know about their plans for Jackie. If the Vegas League doesn't...
The Spurs CIAed the entire forum memberships of ST and SR with the Butler Summer League show. No one figured he was being showcased...
They don't want a guy who total contributions to the team will consist of some nice passes and jump shots on the 40% of plays he has the energy to participate in...
2007 Game 1 Butler:
24:28 mins
11 pts (3-8FG, 5-5FT)
5 rebounds
6 assists
1 steals
2 blocks
2006 Game 1 Mahinimi
23:00 mins
4 pts (0-3FG, 4-6FT)
3 rb
0 ast
2 st
2 bl
Game 2 Butler:
27:45 mins
7 pts (2-12FG, 3-3FT)
5 rb
0 ast
0 st
2 bl
Game 2 Mahinimi:
30:22 mins
13 pts (4-5FG, 5-7FT)
8 rb
0 ast
0 st
2 bl
Game 3 Butler:
29:26 mins
16 pts (8-14FG, 0-0FT)
12 rb
2 ast
0 st
0 bl
Game 3 Mahinimi:
22:18 mins
16 pts (6-10FG, 4-4FT)
7 rb
1 ast
2 st
0 bl
Game 4 Butler:
28:11 mins
16 pts (8-15FG, (0-0FT)
7 rb
2 ast
0 st
1 bl
Game 4 Mahinimi:
17:16 mins
2 pts (1-3FG, 0-0FT)
5 rb
0 ast
2 st
0 bl
Game 5 Butler:
30:33 mins
11 pts (4-7FG, 3-4FT)
6 rb
2 ast
0 st
0 bl
Game 5 Mahinimi:
Side note...I didn't really need another reason to hate Utah..but the ing Adobe boxscores have provided one...anyhooo:
26:51 mins
5 pts (1-3FG, 3-6FT)
3 rb
0 ast
0 st
0 bl
No game 6 for Jackie...
Game 6 Mahinimi:
26:20 mins
10 pts (3-7FG, 4-4FT)
8 rb
0 ast
1 st
1 bl
As you can see...
Ian was the superior rebounder per minutes played with the exception of one huge game by Butler.
He also got to the line more, much more, per game, beating Jackie's total every time but 1.
He also showed a surprising knack for stealing the ball...getting multiple steals in many games.
The difference is?
Jackie is an experienced NBA player who has spent 2 full seasons in the NBA, including a full sesason with the Spurs, and part of a third season also with the Knicks...the Spurs were featuring him, running offense to show off his passing, and pulling him off the court as soon as he started to tank...doing everything in their power to make him look good....
Ian on the other hand was a guy that was playing on a much deeper team, was younger, less experienced, wasn't not being featured in any way...and was not expected to make the team.
Making blanket stat analysis...es...on the players is a bad move.
Ian was every bit as impressive as Jackie in every thing except passing...and more impressive once all the factors are considered...more impressive in the categories important to the Spurs I might add.
The Spurs give exactly jack about bigman assist totals...they don't even care about their PG's assist totals.
Mahinimi>Butler is the obvious conclusion here.
Add in the fact that Ian wasn't sucking wind after 5 min stints and actually got into the shape the Spurs wanted him to be in(without Pop's foot up his ass on a daily basis O might add)...and his fouls were actually the result of effort...instead of bailouts.
And well...you're just flat out wrong to rate Butler over Ian...especially given the Spurs needs and Pop's wants.
I used to think you understood Spurs basketball...now I am going to have to reconsider...
You want Brad Miller, not Marcus Camby...no wonder you are upset about this trade...
Oh..and the Rockets got CIAED...I'm convinced of it.
The Spurs deliberately tried to showcase Jackie's passing knowing it was going to appeal to Adelman...and covered his faults as best they could...they also surrounded him with utter to make him appear much better(relative to the guys around him).
CIA...quite brilliant when you think about it.
And don't you think if Scola was as good as everyone thinks he is the Spurs would have paid the 3 mil per year? Instead of Oberto? or Bonner? They had 5 years to watch him...even if they didn't like him...they could have still signed him and dealt him later...unless of course Luis was veing an asshole and refusing to play for them...which says enough about Scola to make hte idea of dumping his ass a wise one.
They knew it wouldn't work...
CIA all the way.
whottt, that was a really nice bit af analysis on Mahinmi. You've given me some hope that he'll turn out. Thanks.
Then I see this:
Let this good doctor leave you with a bit of medicinal haiku:
Hits head with stick; you!
Smiles, bows;
Namaste.
The yin and yang of whottt. Gotta love it!
It's not a fluke that the Spurs were running hte offense through a guy they intended to trade from game 1...
If the Spurs had any intention of keeping Jackie...he played well enough to justify keeping him.
The fact that the skill of his that stood out the most(his passing) just so happens to be the the favorite skill of a coach for a team with cap space to trade...
No coincidence here....
And if Vaginis actually does change his mind about playing with the Spurs(their international roster)...allowing them to move Beno or Barry...perhaps even both to a team in need of a couple of vet guards with championship experience...
The Spurs are going to come out of this looking absolutely brilliant...
Especially if Scola turns out to be the worlds slowest uptempo bigman(paired with the worst running bigman in the NBA) as I think he will be....not to mention his lack of media savy...and tendency towards whining.
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