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    What I don't understand is that if it's a business, why are people so angry when the Spurs both win, and look to their bottom line? You've been OTR for a year over a business move to trade Rasho to Toronto. At some point you should let go of that anger, or it'll eat you up.
    I have no problem with the Spurs being a business. The problem I have is with their BS to cover up the fact that they are operating solely as a business.

    If the Spurs came out and said- we traded Scola to save $7M, I could actually respect that. It is a business move to save money. But instead- they send out lies about Scola to make him look bad and make bogus claims of how much they care about him as motives for trading him. That is what I can not stand.

    They lie about people and lie about their motives and people buy it. They make claims that decisions are based upon basketball when they are all about money, They think it tarnishes their reputation to admit they are looking at the bottom line, but do not care how they tarnish the image of players.
    They want people to think they actually care about playes and their families, but they don't. They bad mouth people and hurt their reputations to preserve their own public image.

    They tell players when they want them to sign, especially for less money, how much they care about them. but when it is time to dump them, all that care disappears. They use it to get what they want and people just somehow don't want to hear that.

    They want the public to believe that the Spurs care so much about Scola that they traded him to Houston to fulfill his dream of playing in the NBA- not that his agent threatened he would sign a long term deal in Europe and they would get nothing, so they used him to dump Butler's salary and save money.

    It is the PR and the marketing that I hate. It is all the crap they send out through the media that I hate. It's how they play the public and the fans that I hate.

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    Kind of like you have this perfect girlfriend. Then she dumps you. You know you'll never be lucky enough to have a girlfriend anywhere close to that good again. So you turn bitter, hate that girlfriend. Say everything you can to denigrate her. That's ploto and the Spurs

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    It is the PR and the marketing that I hate. It is all the crap they send out through the media that I hate. It's how they play the public and the fans that I hate.
    Marketing is part of business. You sell your product. Companies lie to you every day to sell . It's the way the economy works, and to think otherwise is the height of naievete'.

    I've also read every quote by Scola since the draft, and he does strike me as a bit of an ass, starting by immediately whining about being drafted in the second round of a draft that he could have, and probably should have pulled out of, his buyout being what it was.

    Did it occur to you that maybe he's a bad egg AND the Spurs wanted to save money? Nothing says those are mutually exclusive states.

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    God someone pull the plug on the 's account for christ sake.

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    . . . of a draft that he could have, and probably should have pulled out of, his buyout being what it was.
    without commenting on the rest . . .

    I don't know how this nonsense is still thrown around.

    He was an international and 22 years old, automatically eligible.

    No way for him to 'pull out' of anything.

    He didn't have to go to workouts, true, but he was in the draft whether he liked it or not.

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    Marketing is part of business. You sell your product. Companies lie to you every day to sell . It's the way the economy works, and to think otherwise is the height of naievete'.
    It is why I do not work for any profit driven en y and only ever as an adult have worked for non-profits or governmental service agencies.

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    Kind of like you have this perfect girlfriend. Then she dumps you. You know you'll never be lucky enough to have a girlfriend anywhere close to that good again. So you turn bitter, hate that girlfriend. Say everything you can to denigrate her. That's ploto and the Spurs
    Kind of odd comparing the Spurs to a perfect girlfriend dumping me- not only for the obvious gender problem- but because I am the one with the decision to no longer give them any of my season ticket money. See, I drop them.

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    without commenting on the rest . . .

    I don't know how this nonsense is still thrown around.

    He was an international and 22 years old, automatically eligible.

    No way for him to 'pull out' of anything.

    He didn't have to go to workouts, true, but he was in the draft whether he liked it or not.
    You are correct, and I withdraw my snipe at him for not pulling out. He's still a whiner, though, and actually ended up better off by being drafted in the second round after all. You can't negotiate your salary if you're a first rounder. He got negotiating leverage by going to a ty team with no real PF. I'm sure ploto wouldn't approve if she sat down an thought about it. Players are commercial for-profit en ies, too. They sell themselves, usually with a non real persona in the mix.

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    It is why I do not work for any profit driven en y and only ever as an adult have worked for non-profits or governmental service agencies.
    you say that as though nonprofits don''t advertise or cheat. the american red cross is losing some of its luster exactly because of that. what's more, what do you think all those nfl-united way commercials are? how do you think nonprofits find volunteers and work staff? osmosis? marketing isn't something restricted to businesses, we are all walking advertisements because we have to be. we sell ourselves, whether to get a job or whatever. and geez, drop the sanctimony over where you have worked: nonprofits exist, and readily praise, for-profit en ies precisely because they make the money that can then be used as donations to nonprofits and thus allow them not to be for-profit. govt. services also market themselves (armed services, police and firefighting positions that come open, etc.). yeesh.

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    I have no problem with the Spurs being a business. The problem I have is with their BS to cover up the fact that they are operating solely as a business.

    If the Spurs came out and said- we traded Scola to save $7M, I could actually respect that. It is a business move to save money. But instead- they send out lies about Scola to make him look bad and make bogus claims of how much they care about him as motives for trading him. That is what I can not stand.

    They lie about people and lie about their motives and people buy it. They make claims that decisions are based upon basketball when they are all about money, They think it tarnishes their reputation to admit they are looking at the bottom line, but do not care how they tarnish the image of players.
    They want people to think they actually care about playes and their families, but they don't. They bad mouth people and hurt their reputations to preserve their own public image.

    They tell players when they want them to sign, especially for less money, how much they care about them. but when it is time to dump them, all that care disappears. They use it to get what they want and people just somehow don't want to hear that.

    They want the public to believe that the Spurs care so much about Scola that they traded him to Houston to fulfill his dream of playing in the NBA- not that his agent threatened he would sign a long term deal in Europe and they would get nothing, so they used him to dump Butler's salary and save money.

    It is the PR and the marketing that I hate. It is all the crap they send out through the media that I hate. It's how they play the public and the fans that I hate.
    this only applies to 6-year-olds. no adult, or , 16-year-old is falling for any idea that an nba team is anything other than a business. but beyond that, i can't recall one iota of bad pr dished out by the spurs about this guy, and no spin about why the spurs did what they did came across in the article about it

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/...de.35d9aa1.html

    Spurs find spot for Scola, Butler — Houston

    Web Posted: 07/12/2007 10:51 PM CDT

    Johnny Ludden
    San Antonio Express-News

    Ending a five-year relationship with Luis Scola, during which his agent once famously declared the Argentine forward was being held prisoner in the "country of liberty," the Spurs finally found a home for him, about 200 miles from their own.

    The Spurs traded Scola's draft rights and center Jackie Butler to the Houston Rockets on Thursday evening for guard Vassilis Spanoulis, a 2009 second-round pick and cash.

    A 2002 second-round draft pick of the Spurs, Scola has been playing for Spanish team Tau Ceramica, where he is generally regarded as one of the best players in Europe. The Spurs had hoped to sign him two years ago, but his buyout was too large, so they instead opted to bring over his friend and countryman, center Fabricio Oberto.

    The Spurs had since fielded offers for Scola, but didn't find anything to their liking until this week. A year ago, Scola's agent accused the Spurs of preventing his client from reaching the NBA, saying "in the country of liberty, he is being held prisoner."

    "As an organization, we felt responsible to allow Luis to pursue his dream of the NBA," Spurs general manager R.C. Buford said, "and this was the best opportunity to realize his value."

    While the trade potentially landed Houston a starting power forward, it did little for the Spurs other than reduce their payroll and open up a roster spot. The trade removed the $2.4 million Butler was due to make this season, and the Spurs also might not have to pay Spanoulis the $1.9 million he is slated to earn.

    After playing sparingly last season, Spanoulis had already told the Rockets he wanted to return to Greece. The trade isn't expected to make him change his mind: Two weeks ago, his agent, Miodrag Raznatovic, said, "They could trade him to San Antonio and he could be the starting point guard, and he would say, 'No, I cannot.'"

    If the Spurs have to pay all or part of Spanoulis' salary, it will be offset by the cash the Rockets included in the deal.

    The Spurs didn't think they would have room for Scola even after next season because they plan on signing one of his teammates on Tau Ceramica, forward Tiago Splitter, their first-round draft pick in June. They also are re-signing Oberto.

    Butler signed with the Spurs a year ago, but rarely played after reporting out of shape. Though he has shown improvement and is just 22 years old, team officials questioned whether he would ever be successful playing in their defensive system, which requires their big men to make reads and communicate with teammates.

    "With our roster intact, it would appear unlikely that neither (Butler nor Scola) would impact our rotation," Buford said.

    The Spurs had hoped to trade Scola outside their division and were close to sending him to Cleveland, but a three-team deal that would have sent Butler to Sacramento fell apart. A potential trade to send Butler to New Jersey also didn't materialize, so the Spurs decided to package Scola with him.

    The Spurs re-signed two of their own free agents Thursday, solidifying deals with forward Matt Bonner (three years, $9 million) and Jacque Vaughn (two years, $2.5 million). They had hoped to also sign Detroit forward Amir Johnson to an offer sheet, but he agreed to take less money (three years, $11 million) to stay with the Pistons.

    Buford wouldn't comment on whether trading Butler increased the odds the Spurs will sign Ian Mahinmi, their 2005 first-round pick, except to say, the trade "gives us roster options."

    With Johnson off the market, the Spurs could turn their attention to Portland free-agent swingman Ime Udoka. Udoka, who turns 30 in August, averaged 8.4 points and 3.7 rebounds while starting 75 games for Trail Blazers.

    Udoka is a rugged defender and a dependable 3-point shooter, skills he shares in common with Bruce Bowen, the player he would most likely back up.

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    "I have said many times that he is the most important player in the club's history, so to lose a player of this calibre would logically be a problem," Club president Josean Querejeta said. "He is also one of the most important players in Europe, but in the past we have been able to overcome the departures of (Andres) Nocioni, (Jose Manuel) Calderon and (Arvydas) Macijauskas.

    "The player has told me that he has an offer from Houston and that he wants to accept it. He says that he is very sorry but that this is his ambition. We thank him for his behaviour and we support him."

    Querejeta warned Scola and his agent, however, not to expect a reduction in the buyout.

    "The buy-out clauses are there to be followed," Querejeta said. "Evidently, if he pays the buy-out clause there's nothing to discuss because he is within his right of leaving."
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