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    ROFL. Only in whottt's world would giving up two guys who can play next year for a guy who's too much of a pussy to play in the states and a 2nd round pick in '09 be counted as progress.

    Butler is not going to do ...


    Butler was a liability...his contract was a liability, his slot was a liability.

    He did not have what the Spurs want and need and will want and need for the rest of the Tim Duncan era..

    Someday they might build around Forrest Gump with No D...but not the the Duncan era...you .

    Stop thinking the mofo is a HOF'er...



    Figure it the out.



    Isiah has owned the Spurs on every trade or release he has made...you think he's wrong on Butler?


    It was all about Scola...and what was the max they could get for him...moving Jackie and a second rounder was it.

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    Butler wouldn't help the Spurs this year so they traded him to make room for Mahinmi, who will spend all year in Austin.

    Good take


    AT least Mahinimi is elibigle for the D-League...

    What's Butler's excuse for being a lump of ?


    Figure it out.

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    They made this deal because they saw $7 mil in benefit the first season and then $5 mil or so a season after that with Mahinmi and Splitter instead of Scola and Butler in the rotation. For that they wouldn't care if they had to deal Scola and Butler to the Suns or Mavs.

    Figure it out Spurs fans.

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    So MB and Timvp...how many les are the Rockets going to win?

    Say it here and now...


    Because that's the only way this wasn't the best deal for the Spurs.
    Scola aint gonna make the rockets win a championship.But can make them considerably better tham what they were last year.That´s for sure.
    I say if the Rockets stay healthy,they can pass the playoffs 1 st.round,but facing the Suns,Spurs or mavs,they have no chance.Not next season.

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    So did this deal make them closer to getting that SF type?

    Because Udoka doesn't seem like that type at 6'5.


    He's more of that type than Jackie Butler and Luis Scola...

    You have better? That they are blowing off? Who? Where?

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    Spurs might as well offer Barry up to the Suns or Mavs.

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    you could've just said, they gave away scola in favor of mahinmi and splitter. two players who are no where near as good as scola.

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    They made this deal because they saw $7 mil in benefit the first season and then $5 mil or so a season after that with Mahinmi and Splitter instead of Scola and Butler in the rotation. For that they wouldn't care if they had to deal Scola and Butler to the Suns or Mavs.

    Figure it out Spurs fans.
    What's wrong the financial benfit...why waste money on guys you aren't going to use?

    Why waste Scola, on nothing?


    There's nothing macho about that...it's stupid, it destroys your future.


    Mahinimi and Splitter on paper have the talents they want, moreso than Scola and Butler.

    And you assume they would have traded them to the Mavs...that remains to be seen.




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    Originally the Spurs had a deal in place to send the talented Argentine, Luis Scola, to Cleveland. And by the way, I must say had they done that the Cavs could well have taken a huge step toward becoming an Eastern Conference dynasty, considering all their other parts.

    When that deal fell through, the Spurs turned to their rivals to the west and helped make the Rockets a lot better.
    wait . . .

    So Cleveland, who would have been a marginal playoff team in the west and proved it by getting smoked in 4 games, and already had semi-competant players at PF in Gooden with spot minutes by Varajao and Marshall, if the Cavs got Scola they'd be a dynasty . . .

    But this guy doesn't think that Scola would have a bigger impact on an arguably better team with worst talent at the PF in an unsigned Chuck Hayes?

    If anything, Scola would have a bigger impact on the Rockets than the Cavs.

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    There is no way the Spurs would have traded Scola to the Suns...under any cir stances...

    Not that the Suns were interested in taking on payroll this season anyway...tool.

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    ...Bowen can't score as good as Scola either...

    We should have dumped him too.

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    Scola aint gonna make the rockets win a championship.But can make them considerably better tham what they were last year.That´s for sure.
    I say if the Rockets stay healthy,they can pass the playoffs 1 st.round,but facing the Suns,Spurs or mavs,they have no chance.Not next season.

    Scola is an offensive player that is going to have to pry the ball out of TMac's dead hands...he's also coming into a league with a whole different level of defensive ability...not to mention a marathon schedule....and he's going to give up as much as he scores...if not more.

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    Same thing happened with Giricek. Giricek said he was going to sign an extension so the Spurs traded him for a second round pick that eventually turned into Mengke Bateer.
    Had no idea that was the deal with Giricek. Damn!

    I nearly had a nervous breakdown when I mentally exchanged the names Giricek and Ginobili.

    In that same contract situation, would these Spurs have traded Manu for Mengke Bateer?

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    wait . . .

    So Cleveland, who would have been a marginal playoff team in the west and proved it by getting smoked in 4 games, and already had semi-competant players at PF in Gooden with spot minutes by Varajao and Marshall, if the Cavs got Scola they'd be a dynasty . . .

    But this guy doesn't think that Scola would have a bigger impact on an arguably better team with worst talent at the PF in an unsigned Chuck Hayes?

    If anything, Scola would have a bigger impact on the Rockets than the Cavs.


    Stupidest logic ever...


    So the Lakers shouild trade Kobe to the Mavs...he'll help them the least.


    Stupid.

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    Scola is an offensive player that is going to have to pry the ball out of TMac's dead hands...he's also coming into a league with a whole different level of defensive ability...not to mention a marathon schedule....and he's going to give up as much as he scores...if not more.
    Nuff said.

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    What's wrong the financial benfit...why waste money on guys you aren't going to use?

    Why waste Scola, on nothing?


    There's nothing macho about that...it's stupid, it destroys your future.


    Mahinimi and Splitter on paper have the talents they want, moreso than Scola and Butler.

    And you assume they would have traded them to the Mavs...that remains to be seen.
    How so? As long as it satisfies the objective to dump them and move on who cares where they end up?



    The Spurs aren't near as stupid as you think they are...and there is nothing wrong with being smart and financially responsible...

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    There's nothing wrong with a couple suspensions and the greatest playoff upset in NBA history to help you win a le...

    Sincerely, the 2007 NBA Champions.



    It seems like the Spurs and Spurs fans are overestimating what happened last season. Sure, every le team has a few breaks, but that doesn't mean you can start helping out charity cases like the Rockets.

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    And that Giricek trade killed us....Jerry West sure did assrape the Spurs on that one


    Better we sat him and not have enough money for Manu.

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    Scola is an offensive player that is going to have to pry the ball out of TMac's dead hands...he's also coming into a league with a whole different level of defensive ability...not to mention a marathon schedule....and he's going to give up as much as he scores...if not more.
    Scola can shoulder some of Yao's scoring burden and let Yao focus on the offensive glass as well as playing D. Plus you should know as a student of Rick Adelman that he places an emphasis on sharing the rock.

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    How in the can anyone make the claim we should have traded him to the Bulls or Cavs over the Rockets?

    The Cavs and Bulls are good...they are teams missing an essential piece, and they have the talent, and coaching, to cover up Scola's weakness.

    Houston...has two injury prone stars, a coach who prefers offense over defense, and one who has never instilled mental toughness into his players.


    And as bad as Houston's injuries are now...Adelman has never been the cure for inuries.


    Remember when Larry Bird ed the NBA by letting the Kings get Brad Miller?

    And how Miller, under Adelman's tutelage, went from being a soft pouty non defending puss to being a hardass that was so intense he provoked Shaq into throwing down?

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    Houston had no starting 4 and their backup 5 was 67 years old. The Spurs' gift took care of that.

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    whottt i think its not even worth trying to "defend" this trade...
    most people in here just dreamt about scola and think he's boozer.
    guess what he's good in europe sure but interior defenses have nothing to do with nba's D. he's 27 and we just drafted splitter. We have Oberto who is moving/passing/rotating better than scola will ever do... keep complaining if you want people.

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    So what are the Spurs doing with their savings from this trade? What about from the Rose deal? The Nesterovic deal?

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    whottt i think its not even worth trying to "defend" this trade...
    most people in here just dreamt about scola and think he's boozer.
    guess what he's good in europe sure but interior defenses have nothing to do with nba's D. he's 27 and we just drafted splitter. We have Oberto who is moving/passing/rotating better than scola will ever do... keep complaining if you want people.
    So why give Scola away to a divisional rival? That's inexcusable, even if "David Robinson Jr." is on his way (not that Scola's rights had to be moved for Mahinmi to be brought in).

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    So what are the Spurs doing with their savings from this trade? What about from the Rose deal? The Nesterovic deal?
    Aren't we close to luxury? and is the free agency over?

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