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    and he doesnt want to get paid...he leaves to china...bucks lose the 6th spot. So who's fault is it?...the Bucks.

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    They will have the support of 80% of the league at least. GMs are already congratulating the Bucks' GM on his bold decision. It may be a loss now but the integrity of the league is protected

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    I'm not quite clear on this. If the Bucks drafted him and own his rights, how can he enter the draft again next year?

    I don't like this situation at all, didn't like it when Ferry did it, Manning did it and so on. The draft becomes useless if players get to hold out and only go to teams of their choice. Can you imagine if Oden and Durant came out and both said they only wanted to play in LA and would go overseas and play if another team picked them?

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    I'm not quite clear on this. If the Bucks drafted him and own his rights, how can he enter the draft again next year?

    I don't like this situation at all, didn't like it when Ferry did it, Manning did it and so on. The draft becomes useless if players get to hold out and only go to teams of their choice. Can you imagine if Oden and Durant came out and both said they only wanted to play in LA and would go overseas and play if another team picked them?
    Its actually pretty simple. If oden and durant say they dont want to play for portland. Portland can draft them and let them them go overseas (why would Oden want to do that) Or Draft them and trade them. They can not enter as free agents becuz portland owns thier rights.

    The only reason why it works for Yi is that he doesnt care if he's in the NBA or not. He dont mind going to China.

    What i would do is trade Yi...for someone else. And thats why i dont get why Bucks picked him knowing this was gonna happen.

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    The Bucks picked him because they might know that it would be good for the crowd and the sales, or that they felt he was the best player remaining in the draft.

    And no, they did not pick him to piss off the Chinese government.

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    I am a Chinese from Hong Kong. Some people in this forum blame Yi, but I can be sure that Yi has absolutely NO control over where he would be. It is the sports bureau of China that controls everything. Don't blame Yi please.

    Something off topic: Yao Ming is busy with his wedding next month, but the Chinese officials still publicly criticise him and accuse him of "spending too much time planning his wedding" and reporting late to national team training. Given that Yao Ming has honored his committment to the national team over the past few years, and has developed into an NBA superstar (and also given a large part of his income to the sports bureau in China), he still gets harsh criticism from the Chinese government for planning his wedding, you should know the absolute power the sports bureau has over those Chinese basketball players.

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    What i would do is trade Yi...for someone else. And thats why i dont get why Bucks picked him knowing this was gonna happen.
    I think it's BS. Yi will eventually sign in Milwaukee. Baron Davis pulled this exact same crap with Charlotte. The Hornets told him ' you, we're not trading you to LA', and he signed after a lot of whining, and then re-signed with them as a free agent. Davis told them he wouldn't play there, but what were they supposed to do? Draft a lesser player?

    I don't buy this hype that it's the Chinese government telling him he can't play there either. Yi is a prima donna. All I heard about him was that he liked partying with the rest of the Hollywood primadonnas. I think Yi's getting the government to do his dirty work for him.

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    Every player the Bucks passed on should light them up every time they play.

    What a ing joke. I can't believe they took this Chinese prick knowing he more than likely wouldn't play for them.

    Damn I'm glad I'm not AlamoBucksFan right about now!


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    I don't buy this hype that it's the Chinese government telling him he can't play there either. Yi is a prima donna. All I heard about him was that he liked partying with the rest of the Hollywood primadonnas. I think Yi's getting the government to do his dirty work for him.
    You think Yi has the power to force the Chinese govenment to do anything for him? This is the government that bans (former NBA player) Wangzhizhi from playing any basketball for failing to report to the national team. This is the government who gets most of Yao Ming's income and still criticises him for "spending too much time on planning his wedding". China may have a partially free economy, but there is still abolute control over politically sensitive issues (yes, a sport athlete going to foreign country is a serious political matter). No Chinese basketball player has control over this fate.

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    They are even mad that Yao took time to make appearances for the Beijing Olympics. It is a big deal that they have publicly reprimanded him.

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    This is the government that bans (former NBA player) Wangzhizhi from playing any basketball for failing to report to the national team.
    Yeah...that's the reason he's not in the NBA.


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    None of this would be happening if the Bucks would just F*#king listen.
    There was plenty of players to choose from at the #6 pick besides Yi.
    I agree with AlamoSpursFan I'm glad i'm not a Bucks fan either.

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    Its actually pretty simple. If oden and durant say they dont want to play for portland. Portland can draft them and let them them go overseas (why would Oden want to do that) Or Draft them and trade them. They can not enter as free agents becuz portland owns thier rights.

    The only reason why it works for Yi is that he doesnt care if he's in the NBA or not. He dont mind going to China.

    What i would do is trade Yi...for someone else. And thats why i dont get why Bucks picked him knowing this was gonna happen.

    No, I meant how can he re-enter the draft next year as I have heard some people say? Wouldn't the Bucks own his rights until they either trade or sign him?

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    Yeah...that's the reason he's not in the NBA.

    Maybe you didn't know the Chinese government banned Wang Zhizhi from playing in the national team and even the Chinese basketball league before he issued a humiliating apology.

    As a Chinese in Hong Kong, I have more knowledge of the Chinese government than you do. Trust me.

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    Maybe you didn't know the Chinese government banned Wang Zhizhi from playing in the national team and even the Chinese basketball league before he issued a humiliating apology.

    As a Chinese in Hong Kong, I have more knowledge of the Chinese government than you do. Trust me.
    thanks for telling us China's stance about those NBA players entering the NBA. I think I already have the idea why. Because they trained them while they're still young for your national team that's why, right? So it's hard for these players to just bolt from their teams.

    BTW, ARE those two YI & Yao will be playing in the FIBA-Asia next week in Tukoshima, Japan? I heard they'd be re-inforcing your national team because of their poor showing in Manila.

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    don't bother to answer, Yao is definitely playing.

    http://www.sportsline.com/nba/story/10260447

    SHANGHAI, China -- China's official sports association has issued an unprecedented public criticism of Yao Ming for reporting late to national team training.


    The Houston Rockets star was faulted for taking too much time off to recover from the NBA season, as well spending too much time planning his wedding and making appearances for the Special Olympics and 2008 Beijing Olympic Games.

    "No matter how lofty public welfare activities are, they can't be allowed to take first place in a player's life," the China Sports Daily, a newspaper owned by the government's All-China Sports Federation, said in an article Tuesday.

    "No matter how sweet personal life is, it can't be compared to the exultation of capturing glory for one's nation," the article said.

    Chinese websites later said Yao reported for national team training on Wednesday.

    The article quoted the national basketball center director Li Yuanwei saying the team's Olympic preparations were built around their major star. Li said he hoped Yao would join the team later this month in the Stankovic Cup.


    Helping out at a hoops clinic for Special Olympians ... Geez, what was Yao thinking? (Getty Images)
    "Without Yao Ming, a warmup compe ion is far less valuable," the article said.

    Throughout his three seasons in the NBA, Yao has largely escaped criticism from China's official media and the government by honoring his national team commitments.

    Yet Tuesday's article carried echoes of the bitter accusations hurled at former Dallas Mavericks player Wang Zhizhi, the first Chinese player in the NBA, who refused to return to play with the national team. Wang was labeled an immature ingrate and suffered an five-year estrangement from Chinese basketball that ended only last year after he made a humiliating apology.

    China's other players were "flinging sweat like snow" while Yao recovered from the season, said the article, which also criticized Yao's handlers for not realizing his market value drew largely from his uniqueness as a Chinese player.

    China will face an All-Star team from the NBA Development League in the Stankovic Cup at home, where the host team will include recent draft pick Yi Jianlian.

    The Milwaukee Bucks picked Yi with the No. 6 pick in the NBA Draft, but he hasn't committed to playing for them because his agent hoped he would be drafted by a team in a market with a larger Chinese population.

    Chinese fans and the former national coach have urged Yi to sign with the Bucks, but the owner of his former team in China, the Guangdong Tigers, recently suggested the 7-foot power forward's NBA career could be over before it even begins.

    "If the Bucks insist, Yi will go back" to the Chinese league, Chen Haitao was quoted as saying in Tuesday's Chinese-language Beijing News.

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    None of this would be happening if the Bucks would just F*#king listen.
    There was plenty of players to choose from at the #6 pick besides Yi.
    I agree with AlamoSpursFan I'm glad i'm not a Bucks fan either.
    Can you explain to me why you think it was the fault of an organization that had every right to draft whatever player it wanted? Maybe the Bucks chose him anyway thinking that Yi's superiors would mature just a little

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    It was made clear beforehand that Yi would only be allowed to play for a select number of teams; the bucks shouldn't have pushed it. heck, they should have gotten the hint when they weren't granted permission to watch the guy work out. Seriously - at number six, there were a lot of better players they could've picked who wouldn't have caused such an uproar.

    As for Yao - jeez, give the guy a break.. it's not like he's never gonna report for the national team. If it were the U.S, he'd have been given permission to take this particular tourney off. Talk about controlling.

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    Can you explain to me why you think it was the fault of an organization that had every right to draft whatever player it wanted? Maybe the Bucks chose him anyway thinking that Yi's superiors would mature just a little
    Teams have the right to draft him, but players have the right NOT to play for them. Just like we have the right to chose our employers. Most players will play for any team just as long as they are in the NBA. As for Yi, he can careless. He rather play in China then the Bucks.

    Once again, it was just stupid for the Bucks to pick a player at that position knowing he doesnt want in.

    Also, choosing him "thinking" his superiors would mature a little bit is very risky especially for the 6th pick...that would be a bad business decision.

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    The draft isn't like the Prom, it's like working at an escort service. You want to get paid, you the guy who calls you.
    Best line in the thread.

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    Teams have the right to draft him, but players have the right NOT to play for them. Just like we have the right to chose our employers. Most players will play for any team just as long as they are in the NBA. As for Yi, he can careless. He rather play in China then the Bucks.

    Once again, it was just stupid for the Bucks to pick a player at that position knowing he doesnt want in.

    Also, choosing him "thinking" his superiors would mature a little bit is very risky especially for the 6th pick...that would be a bad business decision.
    Who's looking like the bad guy here? The Bucks or Yi/his superiors?

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    Can you explain to me why you think it was the fault of an organization that had every right to draft whatever player it wanted? Maybe the Bucks chose him anyway thinking that Yi's superiors would mature just a little
    I understand your point, but my problem is why would you pick a player KNOWING that Yi's agent (or whatever) doesn't want his client playing for the Bucks. , they were not allowed to see Yi's workout for crying out loud. Wouldn't that tell you something?

    Now what's being said about Yao is really Fk'd up to me.

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    No, not Bucks fault, taht is why they have a draft, you pick a ing player, he goes there. If 6th picks in the draft start pulling this , next you will see 10th picks and so on and so on until the entire reason they have a draft is ed.
    Its not like this guy is Elway and can go play baseball
    ing bucks r stupid..they shouldn't even have picked Yi.
    Yi has every rights to request a trade or sth
    Tons of players in NBA does the same thing Yi, for ex. ZO who wouldn't even wear raptors uniform.

    u can't realli blame Yi
    Last edited by SpursFan0728; 07-19-2007 at 11:05 PM.

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    Beijing newspaper stands by Yi story; club says it's false



    By STEPHEN WADE, AP Sports Writer
    July 19, 2007

    BEIJING (AP) -- A Beijing newspaper on Thursday was investigating a story it published this week, quoting Chen Haitao -- owner of the Guangdong Tigers basketball club -- saying forward Yi Jianlian would "definitely not" sign with the Milwaukee Bucks.

    Yi was drafted No. 6 two weeks ago and is expected to be the fourth Chinese to play in the NBA.

    The Chinese-language Beijing News said it stood by its story, but a top Guangdong club official said it was untrue and the club had not talked with the newspaper.

    Wang Jin, chief sports editor with the newspaper, told the Associated Press on Thursday that its story was accurate. He said the reporter involved conducted a telephone interview with Chen, who was quoted saying Yi might return to the Chinese Basketball Association.

    Wang said it was unclear why club officials deny having talked with the newspaper.

    Liu Hongjiang, a club vice president, said club officials had not talked with the newspaper.

    "The reporter never interviewed anyone at the club," Liu told the Associated Press. "The reporter used second-hand information he heard somewhere."

    Liu said he spoke later with the reporter and "expressed strong anger."

    "The club supports Yi playing in the NBA and is very willing to work with the Bucks," Liu said. "We are waiting for any chance to cooperate with the Bucks."

    Liu said he believes Milwaukee is "not a suitable team for Yi, but this is not the same thing as saying he will not play with Milwaukee."

    Tuesday's report in the Beijing News was picked up widely by foreign reporters, including the Associated Press. The story was one of several in the Chinese media since the June 28 NBA draft suggesting Yi did not want to play for the small-market Milwaukee club.

    Basketball has a big following in China, where Yi is expected to approximate the s om achieved by compatriot Yao Ming.

    A 2.13-meter (7-foot) power forward who played last season with Guangdong in the CBA, Yi had his first meeting earlier this month with Bucks general manager Larry Harris and coach Larry Krystkowiak.

    His agent, Dan Fegan, has pushed for a trade and wants Yi in a city with a large Asian influence -- or at least a larger city.http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiBXZLnaS.dyUhBz8ghowda8vLYF?slug=ap-bucks-yi&prov=ap&type=lgns

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    We should put an embargo on future Chinese players. Don't want to play by our rules? Fine. You don't need any players in the NBA.

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