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you definitely don't visit the Troll forums then. and it wasn't even that bad, there was alot more truth to it than you'd want to admit.
Take a Xanax and pipe down.
you definitely don't visit the Troll forums then. and it wasn't even that bad, there was alot more truth to it than you'd want to admit.
What if it was Joey Crawford? He worked all the way through the end of '05-06, but the investigation could have started last summer after the finals. After a seemingly inexplicable ejection that may have swung a game, he was suspended and conveniently excluded from the playoffs -- which would make sense if the NBA knew he was under investigation.
Honestly, I think this theory makes more sense than anything else based on what we know.
it's starting on the jennifer engal show, they were already talking about how game 3 looked fixed. what i'd love is if it turns out the guy reffed one of the first two mavs' victories.I said the same thing.
Cue the Mavericks fans and their 'the Finals were fixed' meltdown of the summer of 2007 in 3...2...1...
supposedly it was a veteran ref who ref'd the past two seasons, so I guess crawford would fit into that category
jennifer engel is a stupid . PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not think that her stupid ing opinions reflect the majority of Mavs fans. She's a media who will say anything to get her ratings up because The Ticket kicks her ass so bad.
someone find the youtube video of the 06 finals bull calls?
I don't know how you can listen to her. She says annoying things and she has the most annoying voice I've ever heard. And her "little ball of hate" schtick is tired and overplayed.
i'm in wichita falls and there's nothing else on.
Hey, good luck with that. So far the only whining in this thread is coming from Spurs fans over the Dal-SAS 06 semifinals. Game 5 of the 2006 Finals was officiated in a heavily one-sided manner, you're a Heat or Spurs fan if you say otherwise, but I'll just chalk that up to Bennett Salvatore being a complete ing moron who doesn't belong near a pickup game at the YMCA, much less the Finals. It didn't cost us the series.
knew it, told it to you guys, vindicated.
actually i'm wondering, the story seems to focus on point spreads not so much who won or loss (i know zip about gambling, but i didn't think the two were synonymous). so maybe he makes sure some team gets an extra basket or so but not so much who wins? so the team winning by 8 maybe should have won by 6 or 12, something like that?
Word. just search "mikejones99". In the club, the NBA forum, or wherever, it's all misogyny, all the time for him.
, I think a far more misogynistic statement would be something like, "I imagine she could pay off her debt in blowjobs, because as a ref she sucks pretty bad."
Or perhaps, "It has to be Palmer. She makes the worst calls and unlike most women, she's too ugly to possibly herself out of this situation with sex."
(I do not condone or agree with either of the above statements, except that Palmer isn't much of a ref.)
As for the topic at hand, as usual, FWD hits the nail on the head. If Stern and the league are as anal retentive about monitoring the refs as they say I doubt they would have let a ref with any kind of su ion anywhere near the playoffs. For that matter, if I'm a mobster I'd much rather have a ref that fits the profile he described in my pocket than say, Bavetta. You can do just as much business with far less scrutiny by controlling the crew chief for the Hornets/Bobcats game as you would something more high profile. The last thing you'd want is to tip a playoff game in someone's favor too obviously with millions of media eyes watching. With the power of the net, if the wrong people decide to start going back over the game tape for your ref they could turn it into an overnight sensation and start pushing the league to start asking questions.
As for my theory, Salvatore is an Italian name, right? I rest my case.
Again, there is a HUGE difference between shaving points to beat a spread and rigging games. It's very easy to call non shooting violations to create turnovers to make a game spread smaller or bigger without it being obvious...traveling, three seconds, moving screens, not calling blocking fouls etc. I suspect that most of the "game changing" bad calls you guys are talking about were just that...bad calls.
If it's Salvatore, Mavs fans have no reason to complain much anyways. He's butchered games both in the Mavs favor and to their detriment.
Joe Forte
Brian Forte
Bavetta
Joe DeRosa
Luis Grillo
Approximately 30 NBA referees are currently shaking in their boots.
I don't gamble and I don't condone any of this by any means, but for those of you who wonder if gambling sites keep stats like this, check this out:
(It's easier to read if you click on the link)
http://www.coverwire.com/basketball/refdata.htm
NBA 2006-07 Referee Data Name Gm Ov% Over Under Avg Tot Avg Foul
Gary Forest 2 1.000 2 0 206.5 49.0
Jim Clark 66 .651 41 22 202.6 47.6
Orlandis Poole 54 .627 32 19 200.9 44.3
Bennett Salvatore 61 .621 36 22 204.0 46.7
Tommy Nunez 61 .610 36 23 202.4 45.1
Zach Zarba 62 .610 36 23 201.2 44.5
Eric Lewis 55 .604 32 21 197.8 47.3
Tim Donaghy 66 .603 38 25 202.1 46.6
Derrick Collins 58 .600 33 22 201.5 45.6
Jeff Smith 5 .600 3 2 216.2 53.6
Jess Kersey 60 .589 33 23 200.3 44.1
Leon Wood 66 .578 37 27 199.0 45.2
Brian Forte 7 .571 4 3 209.4 47.7
Tom Washington 67 .561 37 29 198.9 45.7
Bernie Fryer 46 .558 24 19 203.2 45.1
Scott Wall 63 .557 34 27 195.5 44.1
Benny Adams 66 .556 35 28 199.1 45.4
David Guthrie 63 .554 31 25 196.9 44.3
Ron Garretson 69 .552 37 30 198.2 44.9
Michael Smith 63 .550 33 27 199.0 44.5
Dan Crawford 66 .548 34 28 198.7 42.6
Pat Fraher 67 .548 34 28 198.5 44.0
Bill Kennedy 70 .545 36 30 198.9 44.9
Greg Willard 67 .538 35 30 198.8 43.7
Mark Wunderlich 57 .537 29 25 198.5 43.9
Eddie F. Rush 69 .532 33 29 196.0 44.8
Gary Zielinski 64 .532 33 29 198.6 43.1
James Capers 68 .530 35 31 197.8 42.8
Leroy Richardson 54 .529 27 24 198.1 45.0
Tony Brothers 65 .524 33 30 195.0 42.9
Tony Brown 55 .509 27 26 197.6 45.9
Ely Roe 60 .509 29 28 198.5 44.6
Derrick Stafford 59 .500 27 27 201.2 45.8
Bavetta 69 .500 33 33 198.1 46.0
Ed Malloy 64 .500 31 31 197.1 43.4
George Toliver 2 .500 1 1 201.0 49.5
Joe Forte 62 .500 30 30 195.0 45.6
Monty Mccutchen 65 .492 31 32 195.4 45.6
Robby Robinson 49 .489 23 24 197.4 44.6
Ron Olesiak 46 .489 22 23 193.7 44.0
Ken Mauer 67 .484 31 33 192.4 42.6
Scott Foster 69 .484 31 33 196.5 44.6
Marc Davis 63 .484 30 32 194.5 44.3
Violet Palmer 64 .483 29 31 194.4 44.7
Joe Derosa 64 .476 30 33 195.0 42.6
Mark Ayotte 55 .472 25 28 195.6 42.4
Matt Boland 61 .466 27 31 195.6 44.4
Bob Delaney 61 .458 27 32 195.9 44.7
Sean Wright 58 .455 25 30 195.6 44.5
Mike Callahan 71 .449 31 38 195.0 43.9
Steve Javie 58 .446 25 31 194.3 41.2
Derek Richardson 72 .443 31 39 196.4 44.5
Jack Nies 53 .442 23 29 197.2 42.1
Phil Robinson 70 .441 30 38 197.3 45.4
Jason Phillips 66 .435 27 35 196.7 44.6
- 34 .433 13 17 198.4 43.1
Rodney Mott 62 .417 25 35 197.0 45.0
Sean Corbin 64 .410 25 36 194.0 43.6
David Jones 61 .400 24 36 191.4 43.0
Courtney Kirkland 65 .393 24 37 195.7 42.1
Joe Crawford 42 .357 15 27 191.0 43.4
Kevin Fehr 60 .356 21 38 193.2 43.2
Luis Grillo 42 .350 14 26 194.1 45.4
Bill Spooner 3 .333 1 2 187.0 47.7
Curtis Blair 1 .000 0 1 181.0 43.0
gamblers are the best researchers on the planet by far
Joe Forte
Brian Forte
Bavetta
Joe DeRosa
Luis Grillo
I knew it! That's all you need is one thieving wop on the team!
What about you? You stinkin' Irish...pig?
No, there isn't. Shaving points can still affect the outcome of the game. If San Antonio is favored by 4 to beat Dallas, and this ref shaves points to ensure that San Antonio doesn't win by more than 4, this could still affect who wins and loses. What if Dallas gets hot at the end and wins it? What might have been a 20 point blowout by the Spurs could turn into a Mavericks win simply because a ref shaved points to cover the spread.
Crawford and Salvatore are both outliers on that list Solid referenced. So I guess there's hope!!
Rain Man says: "Joey Crawford. Definitely, Definitely Joey Crawford."
So, the Spurs could have led the league by even a greater average number for +/- Points Diffential?
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