Tony or Manu???

[manubili]

Manu has been better than Tony for four years 2003 - 2006. In 2007 Tony improved a LOT, and he became the second best. And that's how it will be for the next years. It's not Manu's fault, it's just a natural question of aging and peaking in the right moment.

Of course, as a Manu fan, I would love to see the long haired manu doing crazy things and winning championships in 2008-09, becoming MVP and stuff, but I know it's whishfull thinking.

It's Manu, you never know what happens next.

[J.T.]

They are both important to the team and helped us win 3 more championships. It's like comparing two $1 bills. In the end no matter how different those bills are, they're still worth $1.

[mavs>spurs2]

He's still a 2 guard. PG's are much more valuable. Let it go!

The best player ever was also a shooting guard...

[RC's Boss]

The best player ever was also a shooting guard...

Okay. Now give me your 5 next best

[RC's Boss]

Sorry I guarantee GM's would take D Williams over Tony because of his age and he is younger.

Deron is not a 2 guard

[ArgSpursFan]

Okay. Now give me your 5 next best

Kobe is one of them too.

[LocosPorJuana]

While Mr.longoria is on his honey moon, Manu has already begun his off season workouts.

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[SpursIndonesia]

Well age does play a factor and so does shot selection Tony for a point guard shoots more than our shooting guard that is why his numbers look better. Pop plays Manu his minutes because he doesn't want to risk injury...not that Manu is not capable of playing more minutes.

Also Pop always gives the ball to Manu at the end of games because he makes the right decisions.

If Manu had an ego.. he would demand to shoot more than Tony does because he is the shooting guard...he wouldn't come of the bench to help make the team better.

Now if Manu and Tony were both 25 years old I guarantee a ton of folks would take be taking Manu over Tony, but he isn't so it's a moot point.

But to say Tony is more valuable because Manu is a shooting guard is lame too; you compared Manu to Richardson, Corey M sorry Manu is ten times more valuable than them.

It's funny everyone always talks about scoring.. well if that is the case than Tony is more valuable than Duncan.

Another thing Manu scores most of his points with the second unit...which is testament to how good he is. Everyone knows that Manu is the first option with the scrubs out there but he still manages to score and contribute.

Well than where was Tony in 2005 in the finals if he was the second option for the team?

Tony is quicker than everyone out there, but As long as Tim is anchoring the block the Spurs will contend.

It's also funny how Pop said that without Manu the Spurs would have 2 less les.

We can agree to disagree.

LOL, Tony shoots more because he's a higher % scorer than Manu. Ofcourse, when the 4th quarter comes, he knows how to defer to league best closer playing as a Spur -example, game 4 '07 finals.

And anybody saying that 25 yrs old Tony has the same value in trading purpose against 25 yrs old Manu is just blatant fanboy. 25 yrs old Manu was a rookie out of europe -an MVP nonetheless, while a 25 yrs old Tony is finals MVP for heavens sake. Even @Manu's peak in 2005 finals, his value is still not as high as what Tony has at the moment.

Stephane's original first post already explained my position, so fanboism is not a word in my book.

[SpursIndonesia]

And claiming that Tony has got nothing to do with '03 and '05 championships is just totally re ed. Everybody had their time to shine the post seasons, Tony had several of them -though he only got that consistently so both side of the floor in '07 and peaking at the right time in finals, unlike before.

[meta2007]

Manu is unique! There are many players who are similar to TP.

[Cherry]

Tony or Manu? = orange or apple?

[ForeverManu]

Then try to trade Manu and see if the Spurs can get one more ring.
I can guarantee you will wait and wait until another TD&MG&TP came up.

[RC's Boss]

I never said Deron was a 2 guard I thought Deron was center...do you even read what I write?

I was making a comment on this quote from you



And I said since Deron is younger by your assumption GM's would take him over Tony! Also another thing the 3 rings are irrelevant. Just because Tony has 3 rings doesn't make a better point guard he has always been on a better team. Tony didn't do anything for the first two rings, but he did a lot for the 3rd one. Tony was blessed to brought to San Antonio and play along Duncan that is why he has 3 rings same thing for Manu.

You need to understand Tony is a star and So is Manu and Tim Duncan is a SuperStar!!!!

Manu is equally as important as Tony is. Maybe if Manu was more hollywood and demanded the ball more, or whined about being moved to the bench maybe you would appreciate how important he is for the Spurs.

Maybe Pop should also stop putting the ball in his hands at the end of games because he is the 3rd option. It's nice how he won games 5 and 6 against the Suns and game 4 against the Cavs.

And Tony is not a better player than Manu...the only reason he is more valuable to GM's as you say is because of age...of course Gm's would take a 25 year old over a 30 year old anyday.

Yes I'm reading your posts, and I'll say it again. There isn't a GM in the NBA that would take ANY SG OTHER THAN WADE OR KOBE in a trade before taking Tony, that includes Manu. I didn't say he had overall better b-ball skills, I said he's a PG w/ 3 rings one in which he was Finals MVP. I don't care what team he played against, it's still the NBA. He was consistant throughout the ENTIRE playoffs, not game 3 against so and so. , Pop is blessed for coaching the team Tim is on as well. The thread says Tony OR Manu, not Tony VS Manu. You can argue all you want, the position Tony plays, w/ his level of experience, is a much more valueble commodity to have on your roster than any SG outside of Kobe and Wade.

[RC's Boss]

Kobe is one of them too.

If you consider Kobe one of the top 5 greatest ever, that's your opinion dude. After MJ, I'm going w/ a combo of Bird, Magic, Kareem, Hakeem, Wilt, Tim, Shaq, and possibly 3-7 others before Kobe Bean can hop on board.

[RC's Boss]

Then try to trade Manu and see if the Spurs can get one more ring.
I can guarantee you will wait and wait until another TD&MG&TP came up.

[RC's Boss]

[QUOTE=adam8065]I never said Deron was a 2 guard I thought Deron was center...do you even read what I write?

I said SG and you named a PG. And why the did you think he was a center. I'll move on to another thread, but before I do. I didn't assume age would be a factor. Are you reading my posts???? I said even if age weren't a factor, GM's would still take Tony

[RC's Boss]

I said he was a center because I was being facetious... And if you read my posts the only reasons Gm's would take Parker is because he is younger!!!!! He isn't a better player he doesn't do more for the Spurs than Manu does.. he has more upside because of age period.

Oh it's that time of the month. that explains the irrational thinking.

[anakha]

I pose a better question than "Is it TD's Team or TP's team in 08". Who is more vauable to the Spurs, Manu gor Tony? Tony has become a premire point gaurd in the league and he hasn't even reached his peak yet. But Manu has been invaluable to this team. Im glad we have them both, but who is second and third in the pecking order?

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[TMTTRIO]

Of course Tim is the man but they're both really important pieces to win a championship. Tony is one of the best point guards in the league as of right now and will continue to get better and Manu is one of the clutchest players in the league. It's funny to see how he can have an off game and then come back and kill the other team when start getting comfortable. I love the look on the other teams faces when he starts doing that to them. I found this article. I don't agree with Tim being left off of that clutch list but Manu is in pretty good company.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7...0813162&ATT=73
Who are the best clutch players currently in the NBA? Who should a competent NBA coach hope to have the ball with a game on the line and the shot clock ticking down? — Robert Vard, Dublin, Ireland

Since win-or-lose players also have to be good free-throw shooters, Tim Duncan doesn't make the cut. LeBron James and Gilbert Arenas are likewise too iffy from the stripe.

The vote here is an obvious one — Kobe Bryant. Just a tad behind is Derek Fisher, if only because he can't create his own good looks as well as Kobe. Also on the list are Manu Ginobili, Steve Nash, Dwayne Wade and Chauncey Billups.

[RC's Boss]

Good night all. This was one of the best debates I've had on here.

[mathbzh]

If I judge their career so far Manu>Parker.
But Tony grew up and now Parker=Manu.

For those who think he "did nothing" in 03 and 05... he still managed to have 14pt/3.5ast and 17.8/4.3 in playoffs these years. Not exacly nothing even if he had some hard time.

[SpursIndonesia]

Funny that Tony did it against the Mighty Cavs and Manu did it against the pathetic Pistons that took the Spurs to 7 games!

No matter whoever doing what to whomever, the end result is still the same, championship. Are you saying that '07 ring has lesser value compared to '05 one simply because we faced a relatively weaker opponent in the final, who actually had beaten that Pistons team in the first place to actually get there ?

IMHO, why is it so hard for Manu homer to undestand, that in the Spurs system, both Manu and Tony are equal in term of value & importance, behind TD, but should you go to the open market, Tony's value is clearly higher, not because he's the better player compared to Manu or simply younger, but because of playing the PG spot in a winning team that win championships.

[WalterBenitez]

Trade Manu to Mavs and they'll got a ring

[Testing]

Tony.... 2 guards come a dime a dozen. Manu is crafty when getting to the rim and his 3 pt shooting was tremedous this year, but he's still a 2. If you get a PG that improves year after year and goes fearlessly to the basket just like Manu, plus an excellent finisher, you make the day you drafted him an official holiday.

So are shooting guards who are willing to come off the bench for the better-ment of the team, without saying anything and poutting thier ego's aside a dime a dozen? What about shooting guards who can continue their high production coming off the bench instead of starting?

It's hard to find a shooting guard who's also an "X-FACTOR". Most shooting guards are a team's primary offensive weapon and player. They don't bring the other "intangibles" that a SG like Ginobili can bring to a team....hence my problem with so many 2 guards in this league.

[RC's Boss]

With all this said, the SG position is my favorite position to watch from a fans perspective, just like doggystyle is my favorite position from a sman's perspective...