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    Cause nothing connects? One gets paid too much the other gets paid too little. I mean really in a non-entertainment kind of way, you'd think soldiers were recruited and paid millions instead of athletes. Aliens visiting this world would anyways. But we're stupid humans that don't use half our brain.

    Lot's of mofos should be getting paid 260K too then for ing bullspit jobs. I bet a bunch of other posters can name 10 jobs at least..
    You don't seem to get how it works.
    Soldiers are not making much because they're not suppose to what they do for $$. It's supposed to be an commitment. Pay soldiers millions and you'll see all kind of merceneries in your army who would be there only for the cash and doesn't give a for all the rest.

    For the rest, well, it is what you call capitalism or liberalism. It is the law of the offer and the demand and of the market. I'm not saying I agree with that but as a french man, I'm surprised to read that from US posters. Basketball players are paid that much because NBA makes that much, because you're watch it, you're watch the commercials, because you're buying the jerseys and because all this money is distibuted to a small group of people. It's your money which is paying them.

    Teachers or people like that have less money to share and are much more numerous and as for soldiers money is not what is supposed to guide them to their job, calling, vocation are.

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    what difference does it make?!?!?

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    You all are making a basic mistake. Salaries are not paid based on some abstract idea of the "worth" of a job. Salaries are paid based on supply and demand of the good being paid for, namely, labor that is skilled in some way. Employers won't pay any more than they have to to attract workers who will do the job at a certain level of competence.

    Just because you think a teacher is doing "more important" work than a basketball player, there's no reason a school district should pay a teacher what a basketball player makes, if they don't have to.

    Same for neurosurgeons or anyone else in the labor market.

    Paying an athlete millions of dollars is simply a statement of very strong demand (to have a winning team to attract fans and make tons of money) chasing very scarce supply (athletes that can perform at championship levels).
    we're talking ref pay, not athletes.

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    What business is it of ours, what a referee makes?

    Do people come to tdmvp's work and say

    "You make how much? Good god, teachers make less than that, WHAT AN OUTRAGE!"
    why are you so against us even discussing something as sacred as the salary of a ref? they make a lot, much more than i thought they would, and even with the supply/demand stuff, $150,000 should be plenty, in my opinion, and i've enjoyed everyone who has chimed in. but being offended that we even want to talk about it is odd.

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    why are you so against us even discussing something as sacred as the salary of a ref? they make a lot, much more than i thought they would, and even with the supply/demand stuff, $150,000 should be plenty, in my opinion, and i've enjoyed everyone who has chimed in. but being offended that we even want to talk about it is odd.


    it is none of our business what refs make or even players

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    what person becomes a teacher for the money?

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    we're talking ref pay, not athletes.
    NBA refs, like NBA athletes, are (supposedly) the best in the business. You pay an NBA ref a lot more for the same reason that NBA athletes make more than CBA athletes.

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    I can't believe this is 3 pages long.

    You have to look at this in perpective; It may seem like an NBA ref is making a lot of money (compared to other "Regular" people) but compared to what NBA players make, it's chump change. Litterally. Without good/semi decent Refs, who's jobs are just as hard as NBA players in that they have to travel, play 48 minutes, etc. Not to mention all the work it seems they have to do post game in that they are supposed to review every call made etc.

    It's like saying a nurse making $60K is a lot.............but not compared to what a Doctor makes and a nurse is just as important to the health of a patient as the doctor is right? Same with refs and nba players....


    I dont know where the soldier thing came into play. haha

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    Name them off. And while you are at it, tell me please.

    What ref leaves his family, flies 5000 miles to some distant part of the world and is stuck there for 12 - 18 months?

    How many refs have you seen run into a burning building to save someone?

    How many refs spend a portion of their life under fire? And I don't mean from the league office, but from real weapons. You know...The kind that can kill you dead.

    What exactly do they "put up with" that demands that kind of salary?

    Poor ing babies!!!

    So go ahead and clue me in about what a terrible life an NBA ref leads.
    what the does being a soldier have to do with how much an NBA ref is paid? nothing.

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    When I heard what they made, I thought for a second, "Hmm career path?"
    But I decided no because I don't want the Spurs players and you guys mad at me all the time.

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    $260K? Drat, why aren't there any Slovenian refs?

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    it is none of our business what refs make or even players
    stern mentioned that the ref in question makes $260k during his press conference and it surprised me. i'd heard a lot about how the pressure to fix a game wouldn't be felt as much by a player because the player makes so many millions so wouldn't want to risk that. but refs were supposed to be more at risk because they made less, which i had thought would be about $50-$100,000, you know, pretty good but not great. the $260k just floored me.

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    When I heard what they made, I thought for a second, "Hmm career path?"
    But I decided no because I don't want the Spurs players and you guys mad at me all the time.
    whatawe, suns fans?

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    what the does being a soldier have to do with how much an NBA ref is paid? nothing.
    nothing. but think about it the next time espn does some special on pat tillman and how much of a hero he is or something similar and realize that the hero soldier tillman likely made less than the no-name ref running down a sideline. it's surprising, to me at least.

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    I can't believe this is 3 pages long.

    You have to look at this in perpective; It may seem like an NBA ref is making a lot of money (compared to other "Regular" people) but compared to what NBA players make, it's chump change. Litterally. Without good/semi decent Refs, who's jobs are just as hard as NBA players in that they have to travel, play 48 minutes, etc. Not to mention all the work it seems they have to do post game in that they are supposed to review every call made etc.

    It's like saying a nurse making $60K is a lot.............but not compared to what a Doctor makes and a nurse is just as important to the health of a patient as the doctor is right? Same with refs and nba players....


    I dont know where the soldier thing came into play. haha
    i'm just stunned that you can't get a good/semi decent ref for less money than what a cardiologist makes to fix hearts (and not games ... ba dum dum).

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    NBA refs, like NBA athletes, are (supposedly) the best in the business. You pay an NBA ref a lot more for the same reason that NBA athletes make more than CBA athletes.
    but nba players aren't paid because they are the best athletes, they are paid because folks want to watch them play. people aren't there to watch the refs, thus i'd expect them to make more in lines of what, say, an electrician or dentist makes. i'm not saying they won't make more than their lesser counterparts working their way up, just that the gulf between the two isn't that great but i'm guessing the salaries are. at least i hope some cba ref isn't pulling $200k.

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    nothing. but think about it the next time espn does some special on pat tillman and how much of a hero he is or something similar and realize that the hero soldier tillman likely made less than the no-name ref running down a sideline. it's surprising, to me at least.
    tillman had an NFL contract, and made much more than $260k a year.

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    whatawe, suns fans?


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    When I heard what they made, I thought for a second, "Hmm career path?"
    But I decided no because I don't want the Spurs players and you guys mad at me all the time.
    That and Rasho would be league MVP and Beno would be scoring champ.

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    and if they did pay soldiers that much, there probably wouldn't be much of a need for conscription. then again, i don't think anyone would want to deal with that tax hike.

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    tillman had an NFL contract, and made much more than $260k a year.
    soldier tillman? not the guy who played football but the guy who was out in afghanistan. or if not him, the folks he served with, the majority of the folks being called hero and reconstructing iraq and in charge of towns that have a major impact on our country's foreign policy ... make less than an nba ref. by a mile. that doesn't surprise you?

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    and if they did pay soldiers that much, there probably wouldn't be much of a need for conscription. then again, i don't think anyone would want to deal with that tax hike.
    does make you wonder how many wars we'd get into though if the soldiers cost that much.

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    does make you wonder how many wars we'd get into though if the soldiers cost that much.
    more.

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    Shoogar Bear, I just saw your alteration to my post- funny one you are!

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    Do you wonder how many soldiers we could afford if they cost that much?
    based on all the allegations against haliburton et. al, we probably can afford to. there are, what, 130,000 troops in iraq now? 260k times 130,000 gives it $33 bil. cost of war now, according to the national priorities project (http://costofwar.com/) is $446 bil so far.

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