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Soldier who dies in a war = warrior.
Canadian who flops on the ground holding his nuts when he's kicked in the thigh = NOT warrior.
You certainly belittled him as a soldier. One called him a "warrior" then you spout the "facts" making him look like a chump who turned down millions to die a pointless death.
Anyways... you're certainly en led to your opinions, just as anyone who reveres Tillman as a "warrior" or "hero".
Soldier who dies in a war = warrior.
Canadian who flops on the ground holding his nuts when he's kicked in the thigh = NOT warrior.
Who said he died pointlessly? Not me. That was you.
Who called him "chump"? Not me. That was you.
If you want to belittle Pat Tillman, go ahead. But don't claim I said anything close to the insults you spouted out.
Comparison between Steve Nash and Pat Tillman = stupid.
Just to get this back on track (we WERE talking about the Phoenix Suns, right? Not Pat Tillman?)
My opinion is that the Suns ownership is doing exactly what they want to do -- create a team to maximize fan interest and revenue, rather than a team to win a championship.
The only other possible explanation is that they are simply seriously stupid. But I doubt that. You don't get that rich and successful by being stupid.
Think about it: run-and-gun is exciting and appeals to the casual ESPN-type fan. You got your "superstars", Amare, Nash, and Marion -- only one of whom has any clue about playing defense, but all of whom can run and pass and shoot and dunk like crazy. You got your up-tempo offense. You got your fiery, in-your-face head coach, who blames everyone but himself and his team for their lack of success in the playoffs. You got a lock on high-50s regular-season wins, because the other teams don't see a team like yours and thus aren't prepared. You got ESPN highlights up the wazoo. You got ESPN "analysts" stroking you like a thousand dollar "massage therapist", because they are in bed with the same program -- regular season wins, exciting fast run-and-gun style, lots of highlights equals good TV ratings as well as good fan revenues.
You think: SO THE WHAT if I don't win a championship? I'm making money like crazy. I'm staying out of luxury tax. I sell out every home game. I'm playing at least 11 or 12 playoff games every year, the revenue of which is complete gravy to me. What is not to like here? And you never know, maybe I'll get lucky and actually get to the finals one of these years.
You think further: If I go the other way, and try to build a team that contends for the championship every year, how much more money will I make? Probably not that much. What are my chances of success, financially? Probably less, since (a) I'll lose fan interest because I'll have to stress boring, low-ratings stuff like defense and teamwork and character and complete dedication and concentration on the playoffs rather than the regular season, and (b) I'll be lucky if I win a championship 5 years from now, and maybe if I'm really lucky, get a few... but probably not... and if I fail to win championships, I'll probably make less revenue than if I keep going the way I am.
I really think that's where the Suns are right now. They are simply maximizing their revenue and don't really care that much about championships. How else to explain this latest set of moves on their part?
Actually, the joy I get from watching whiners like you squirm greatly outweighs any loss from a supposedly "tainted" le.
What hurts more, Nash's groin, or the ego of Spurs fans after learning they have a tainted le? At least Nash's groin can heal.
And since you needed Donaghy to get past the Lakers in the first round, here's the trophy you REALLY earned:
Note how "Coach" is even wearing the appropriate colors. Congratulations - you deserved it!!
My ego is just fine, thanks.What hurts more, Nash's groin, or the ego of Spurs fans after learning they have a tainted le? At least Nash's groin can heal.
I am sure you meant some Spurs fans because to lump all Spurs fans together as one mindset would be ignorant and foolish and you're not a fool.
Are you?
I completely agree with this take. And actually, as a Suns fan, I am okay with that. Sports is entertainment - nothing more, unless you are in the industry itself and collecting a paycheck because of it (or are betting, legally or otherwise). And the Suns ARE entertaining (my opinion, but it seems to be a popular one). Would I like to see my team get a le? Of course. Will it ruin my life or enjoyment of it if they don't? No. Because it is not something that I can control. I just don't get to have a cool avatar or tell everyone about the past.
Afghanistan is a pointless war? Nice....
Stay classy, San Antonio.
Even if I weren't here, you all would STILL be talking about the Suns.How fresh. When in doubt pull out your weak "dance" card. It still doesn't change the fact that your obsession with the Spurs brings you to this board every day.
Dance monkey, dance
Whether you meant to, or did outright, you most certainly had a tone about your post, both questioning the claim of Tillman being a warrior ("Really?") and implying that his decision was silly, if not stupid, but bringing in "facts" like him leaving millions on the table to die in a pointless war.
Maybe it was a simple misunderstanding, maybe it was meant as a harmless little stab at the war. Fact is, more people than just I took exception to it, so obviously there was a tone or a blatent line leading to misunderstanding.
I apologize if I read it wrong, or took exception to an innocent post questioning a few details, not questioning the character/standing of Tillman.
I've seen many, many posts bashing the war, some of which directly hate on the soldiers, including ones where Tillman is the example given.
As I said earlier, another soldier is alive today because Tillman jumped in and gave his own life to save his. It doesn't matter one bit who shot whom, only that Tillman, seeing a fellow soldier in danger, risked his own life to help another.
I'd certainly call that a warrior, and I'm sure the saved soldier calls him a hero.
Said one one of the whinyest, iest, most classless Suns fan ever to post on this board.
What was the point?
I have to agree - the thread is called "Sizing Up the Suns"
To each his own, I guess. I don't enjoy simply being entertained by a sporting event. I like to see how the team actually has a goal of winning a championship and observe how they go about attaining that goal. I enjoy seeing a plan unfold and be successful, despite all the challenges, obstacles, and doubters. I enjoy seeing a team built and be successful according to their own plan rather than that dictated by the needs of the business or the siren song of the media, or worse, to be simply part of a "game day experience" or "entertainment package".I completely agree with this take. And actually, as a Suns fan, I am okay with that. Sports is entertainment - nothing more, unless you are in the industry itself and collecting a paycheck because of it (or are betting, legally or otherwise). And the Suns ARE entertaining (my opinion, but it seems to be a popular one). Would I like to see my team get a le? Of course. Will it ruin my life or enjoyment of it if they don't? No. Because it is not something that I can control. I just don't get to have a cool avatar or tell everyone about the past.
We're bored. It's kind of like talking about that little dog that keeps nipping at your ankles. The dog thinks he's big and bad but when you turn and face him he goes running whining and crying. Yeah, that's a Sun's fan.
Why wouldn't Suns fans want to talk about their team? Oh yeah. I guess most of them are just here to complain about the officiating and the rules. Other than the Suns fan pretending to be a Spurs fan that started this thread, that is.
*Ahem* ...
Not that you didn't know. Just showing the rest we're not all misreading "whining" and thinking it says "winning"...
The Suns got worse this offseason. There is no other way to summarize it...
That's the synopsis, for sure, just some of us like to talk, so we include a few details.
And what does a Sun fan know about class?
I agree with Yomamaiscalling. The moves made by this new management/owner team of the Suns is geared toward putting more money in Sarver's pockets. He does not care about winning a championship. The Suns were extremely close to winning one- with a little bit of luck (and playoff officiating that was consistent with the regular season) they could have won the trophy this year. Even if they had kept exactly the same team, they would have had a fair shot at the le next year. The addition of Grant Hill was good. The decision to let Kurt Thomas- the only defensive player on the team- was bad. The decision to give up TWO first round draft picks to Seattle (along with the best defensive player) for a conditional second round pick and a TE was absolutely horrible. As a Suns fan I am apalled by what was done last week, but it is tough to give up hope. The season has not even started yet. I do agree that the Suns are extremely thin, with their short rotation and weak bench. They cannot afford to have injury to even one of their starters for any significant length of time. I see this as a HUGE gamble, with the odds stacked against the Suns. However, it does take a certain amount of luck to win the le. With all the years of bad luck, statistically the Suns are ripe for some good luck. Will it happen this year? We don't know.
no bro manu is argentinian.
Look, it's too much work to have to point the one or two of you out by name every single time I talk about Suns fans. I say "most of you" as often as I can. If you don't like that, then I suggest you start trying to influence some sense into your fellow Suns fans, because you're the only one rowing, and it's a big ass boat.*Ahem* ...
Not that you didn't know. Just showing the rest we're not all misreading "whining" and thinking it says "winning"...
Manu does the kicking. Nash does the flopping.
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