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Definitely. If this guy has the audacity to divorce the Rockets in the way that he did then perhaps HE should bear some of the financial strain.
The Spurs should make him buyout his contract just like the European players do to come over to the NBA. Make him pony up a million bucks or so.
Definitely. If this guy has the audacity to divorce the Rockets in the way that he did then perhaps HE should bear some of the financial strain.
THAT´s not CORRECT
The Spurs can Trade Tim Duncan for Yao Ming and the 4 ring equal would be in San Antonio, but it would not stop being a bad trade
I haven't seen nothing new in Greek articles.
His agent has promised to give him back his freedom for his birthday. His birthday is tomorrow, I doubt he will be able to offer him this gift.
In Greece, everything seems to be ready for his comeback : he has a €2M per year contract from Panathinaikos on the table and Panathinaikos wait to sign Spanoulis before trading/loaning some players to make room for him.
Thanks a lot.
Spanilouisusiiiss will be bought out before Udoka is signed. So this may take some time.
I don't think they'll give him a damn dime. He made it perfectly clear that playing in Greece was his priority even if it meant walking away with nothing from the Rox. The Spurs will wait out his bluff. This pussy doesn't want any more of the NBA experience. SA will probably send him a form letter with training camp dates before too long.
Has Spandex agreed to forgo his NBA salary?
Not yet, but I think it's only a matter of time. His Greek team is getting antsy, and the only way the Spurs let him go this early to sign is sans cash. They'll just wait him out and pocket the money Houston sent in the deal. I'd love to play poker with him. He showed his whole ing hand when Houston still owned his contract.
Well, I should have said that his contract will be ripped up before Udoka is signed. At this point the Spurs are clearly waiting Spanniliououious out. Unfortunately it is holding up other personnel moves.
Spurs should put a gun to his head. Tell him he has to a certain date to renounce and if he doesn't give it up they won't release him until later in the year and when they do they won't pay anything and sue to regain what they have paid plus damages (luxury tax if they incur any) for breach of contract.
I think Spandex is under more time pressure than the Spurs are. His Greek team is waiting to sign him before they make some other moves. Training camp is like 7 weeks away for SA. I don't think Spandex wants to wait 7 weeks to call their bluff. His Greek team might just move on without him.
Somebody refresh my memory: Is it a terrible thing if he changes his mind and decides to show up? I know the only thing he's done more than turn the ball over is commit fouls, but isn't he worth a risk in a position where there's some need?
Well he really has talent. He was the best player on the court when Greece beat the USA last year. He is quick and has a very good midrange shot. He also is a good defensive player (at least for european standard). I don't know why he struggled so much last year. I haven't seen him play for Houston, so I don't know if they did not use him right or if it was his incapablility to play under US rules (mabye both). I think he would have been a good addition.
If Spanoulis agrees to just cancel the contract without getting any money. Would that take that long also? I mean if he breaks the contract, how can he expect a buyout?
Like Jasikevicius, Macijauskas, and other recent European guards, he's simply not fast nor quick enough for the American game. He wasn't just mediocre; he was bad.
IMO, Spanoulis has still agreed to be release for $0.
Spanoulis contract is a good trade asset. With Spanoulis, a team can trade a player to Spurs without taking back salaries. Spurs should be looking at what to do with Spanoulis contract and with some luck, they could do a deal with Spanoulis like the Hedo/Ferry trade in 03.
The more Spurs keep Spanoulis, the more they will have a chance to do a trade.
The only edge of waiving Spanoulis now instead of in one month, is to be "nice" with him and his agent. Unless Panathinaikos has given a deadline to Spanoulis to sign him or his agent is really doing bad press to Spurs in Europe, Spurs have no serious reason to rush the release. It's even possible that Spurs have decided of a deadline with Spanoulis agent to release him.
There are too other scenarios like Spanoulis wanting money or Spurs wanting to keep him but I don't believe in them at all.
Nice take, Bruno. I think you hit the nail on the head. I've thought that the Spurs had something else in mind ever since they did this deal.
It's an interesting idea but likely no more than wishful thinking. To take any salary back for Spanoulis would involve the luxury tax and the Spurs have no intention of paying that. Unless you think the game's suddenly changed completely? More likely the scenarios painted in other threads are closer to base: Spanoulis will be waived completely and only if Barry/Udrih are moved for much less cash will another player like Udoka be brought over. The question will be how many second round picks the Spurs will have to utilize to get rid of those two players (which they will, since they've already demonstrated desperation to get rid of money).
yeah because spurs never pay the tax
what they did last year
Re-read my post, I've never said Spurs keep Spanoulis because they will trade him.
It's all about keeping doors open.
If you waive Spanoulis, you have no choice. If you keep him, you still have the choice even if the most likely case is that he will be released.
Spurs not ready to pay the luxury tax is your assumption.
FACT : Spurs have paid the luxury tax these past two years.
Holt likely disagrees to be $5M over the tax, it's not sure that he hasn't agreed to be something like $1M over it.
I never said you said they'd keep Spanoulis.
I said trading Spanoulis's vanishing contract is an interesting option, but doubtful.
One thing that's clear: the Spurs really ing hate paying the luxury tax. They are under the lux line or practically at the moment AND have a full team with no other current needs to be met. Trading Spanoulis off for an asset is unlikely.
YES Spanoulis is effectively a trade exception at this point, but I'd like to see your ideas of who the Spurs would gladly pay double (via tax) to bring onto their roster.
The problem is that it's not that clear.
Ludden said in february (before the deadline) that going under the luxury tax wasn't a Spurs' priority.
You can always said that Ludden say PR BS but Spurs haven't done a trade to go underthe the luxury tax threshold while it was quite easy to do so.
I won't give you some fantasy trades but don't forget that Spurs have chosen to pay the luxury tax last year to keep James White and Melvin Ely. It's far from sure that Spurs are only ready to pay the luxury tax to get a great player.The player "who Spurs would gladly pay double" could be an average one.
Spurs will likely waive Spanoulis at the end. A trade is kinda unlikely but I don't think it's because of the luxury tax. The Hedo/Ferry trade was a 3 team trade with Brad Miller, Spurs best opportunity to trade Spanoulis for a useful player is to be a part of a big multi team trade.
Spurs are just waiting to see if there will be a trade opportunity. If they don't find one (and they likely won't find one), it won't be a big deal and they will just release Spanoulis.
did not the suns just give kurt thomas away for nothing
trying to get under the tax
kurt was a proven nba player that helped his team alot against the spurs the champs!
They acquired Melvin Ely in part to shave off luxury tax expenses. Also because he was big-man insurance, perhaps, in case they faced Shaq or needed him in any way. Of course, he blew. The decision on James White came earlier in the year than the trade deadline; cutting him would have saved no money, and in any case, wouldn't have pushed them below the line. Likely they were shopping Barry, as they always have, since he's making way too much by way of greenery.
I can't see them trading for an average player when his salary would cost double. They have enough average players at the end of the bench as it is. I can't even see them signing Udoka without shaving payroll further. While I'd like them to - payroll be damned, they're going for a championship again - their ruling interest, despite what they say, is still to get under the tax threshold.
As it stands, the Spurs are on the hook for $1.9 mil or so to him currently. Given where they stand with 2007-08 payroll and the lux tax threshold they will need to clear up his situation before they sign anyone else. Yes, they could use his contract in a trade, but I think the holdup is that they want him to go away for nothing.
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