KG to Boston a done deal?

[Vinnie_Johnson]

I for one will be psyched to see KG go to Boston. The East is sorely in need of better players and teams. Shaq going to Miami helped, and so will KG in Boston. I also will be glad for KG. I couldn't stand to see him waste another precious year on a team that doesn't even make the playoffs.

That being said, i don't think an Allen/Pierce/Garnett trio immediately gets Boston to the Finals. But now, they DO make the playoffs, and they do have a shot at going deep. But only a shot. I mean, all you have to do is look at Denver, with AI, Carmelo, Camby and Nene, and they didn't even make it past the first round!

Three great players is no guarantee of anything more than a playoff spot.

Yup great post I just don't think you can throw those players together and think they will just gel in one year and go to the finals.

[freedom&justice]

Ray Ray, when healthy, is a legit threat. So is KG. And Pierce. Those three are legitimate superstars, but I wanna see how they mesh when the season starts before crowning them the kings of the East. An abundance of talent doesn't automatically mean championships. Just ask the Knicks, or Suns. It's all about how a team performs on the floor together.

The East is pretty wide open, IMO. Everything hinges on if a team can take all their talent and get them to perform cohesively. The Cavs have stayed put, and the Heat have arguably gotten way worse, but they still have Shaq and Wade. Boston's talent level went way up. The Wizards were a few injuries away from true contention last season, and the draft really helped them; same thing with the Knicks with their picks and Zach Randolph. The bulls still need some interior scoring, but they're still a tough team. Raps haven't done much either, and the Nets' interior D has improved..at least on paper; and they have Kidd.

As for the Pistons, the core four are intact, with a significant infusion of youth expected to help next year. Stuckey and Max definitely will, but the rest of those guys are still question marks, including hyper-athletic Amir Johnson.

All that said, here's how I think it'll shake out:
Bulls
Wizards
Pistons
Celtics
Cavs
Raptors
Magic
Knicks/Bucks

[freedom&justice]

Holy , just saw the deal set in place on Sportscenter

garnett for jefferson, gomes, green, ratliff, telfair, and TWO first round picks

idk about anyone else but i think the celts get raped in this deal

Wow, McHale did good. He has a pretty solid team now, at least on paper. Big Al, Green, Gomes, Randy Foye and Corey Brewer as well. That's a solid crop of youth. The two first rounders are a nice addition too.

[TDMVPDPOY]

ONLY jeff/gomez is a steal

telfair overrated and looks like a headcase

green???? hasnt done besides scrub minutes dunks = james white

seriously i hope both teams fail

[trueD]

Garnett & Pierce & Allen, oh my!

I hope you don't mine me indulging you a short blog, anyone who wants, feel free to let me know what you think. Just wanted to get my somewhat-elementary thoughts down so when the big wigs say the same stuff we all know where they got it!

[icem]

Boston is getting rapped in this deal. They are giving away there best players. Three years from now they still won't have a banner to show for this trade.

or so you hope....

[sickdsm]

KG, Spree, and Sam should not have been so Broke Back then.

Or his only backup shouldn't have elected to go ahead with surgury prematurely...........

[Supergirl]

I don't know about this. Yes, KG is a huge acquisition, but the C's are giving up half their roster, including a player who could be a huge star next year (Al Jefferson) who's a decade younger. They've already lost Delonte West and you add in Gomes - that's all the talent they HAD last year outside of Pierce.

Paul Pierce, KG, and Ray Allen is pretty sweet, but who the do they have to go with them? Who the is even left? They have a quality but young PG (Rondo) and not much else. And the big three isn't going to get them past anyone in the West for an NBA championship, if it even makes it to the East Finals. And is it really worth trading away ALL your young talent just to make it back in the playoffs?

[monosylab1k]

your use of the word "superstar" is incredibly liberal.

Ray Allen, Glen Robinson, Sam Cassell

not superstars

Kevin Garnett, Stephon Marbury, Tom Gugliotta

not even close to being superstars

Chris Webber, Peja Stojakovic, Mike Bibby

not superstars

Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion

Amare is debatable, Marion definitely isn't

Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson

not even close

[JamStone]

I believe Peja Stojakovic finished in the top 5 in the MVP race in 2004. He averaged 24 and 6 at the small forward spot. After a year or two at Sacramento, Mike Bibby solidified himself as a top 5 point guard in the league during about a 3 year stretch. Those two are every bit the superstars Paul Pierce has been.

When Cassell was with Milwaukee, he was putting up 16 and 8 year after year. The only point guards during that time that were putting up better numbers were Jason Kidd, Stephon Marbury, and Gary Payton. Glen Robinson was a 20 point scorer in 8 of his first 9 seasons. Cassell wasn't viewed as a superstar, but his production was that of an elite point guard. And, Big Dog's numbers, especially at Milwaukee, are every bit as good as Paul Pierce's.

It's a joke if you don't think Stephone Marbury was a superstar when he played in Minnesota. And, the couple years Gugliotta was playing with Steph and KG, he averaged 20 points and 9 rebounds over those couple of seasons.

Shawn Marion had five straight years of 19 points and 9 rebounds at the small forward spot with no set plays run for him at the offensive end. He was in the MVP debate two seasons ago. He has often been described as a superstar role player. He's a role player, yes. A third option star, sure. But, he was putting up 19 and 9 before Nash was back at Phoenix and before Amare developed into the player he is.

Richard Jefferson has been putting up 20 points and 6-7 rebounds over the last 4 seasons. He's a side kick. But, you can put his production on par with any small forward after LeBron and Carmelo.


See, the problem with you is that you swallow what the sports media feeds you with respect to how you should view athletes. If you see an NBA player in a lot of commercials and ESPN top ten plays, that's your idea of a superstar.

The list that I made took into account the actual production those players had on the court. That's how I made my determination that those trios were comparable.

Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and Kevin Garnett with all their supers om and not one of them played in the playoffs last season. Your view of "supers om" is a product of you not being able to think for yourself.

I can already predict your next argument ... yeah, but those players would never be on "Who's Now?"

[MajorMike]

Well, yeah, spanky, but how many how those threesomes listed ever won a le?

[monosylab1k]

Your view of "supers om" is a product of you not being able to think for yourself.

yeah, you're right. Tom Gugliotta was a ing SUPERSTAR. stupid asshole.

your view of "supers om" so far is if a guy has ever scored 20 a game for one season. now that's what i call thinking for yourself because nobody else with half a ing brain would ever think that.

Stephon Marbury a superstar? Cuz he threw a few flashy passes and dribbles like an And1 player?

Peja Stojakovic hits some wide open 3's because Webber is double-teamed and now hee's a superstar? , Jason Terry has done that, let's make Terry a superstar now.

Holy , if I use your logic, Dallas has like in' 7 superstars!!!! yes!!! We got Dirk (a 20/10 guy!), Terry (hits three pointers!), Howard (all around spectacular!), Harris (fast as !), Stackhouse (averaged like 30 a night in Detroit!), Diop (blocks like Mutombo!), and Dampier (scores and REBOUNDS!!!!)

don't come at me with weak like that ever again .

[JamStone]

Your idea of a superstar is putting up great stats on a team that doesn't make the playoffs year after year. Stupid asshole.

Your idea of a great Saturday night is masturbating to South Park episodes.

Go yourself again, Kenny.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

And besides, he said that if you have 3 superstars, it doesn't mean you would be any good. I'm pretty sure that the Kings and Suns trio were good.

[monosylab1k]

Your idea of a superstar is putting up great stats on a team that doesn't make the playoffs year after year. Stupid asshole.

Your idea of a great Saturday night is masturbating to South Park episodes.

Go yourself again, Kenny.

no, no, you're right. absolutely 100% right here.

So let's all hail the ULTIMATE SUPERSTAR!!!









TOM GUGLIOTTA, GOD OF BASKETBALL

[JamStone]

All hail, the true superstars who get the Nike commercials and Sportscenter highlights and lead their teams to greatness!


2005-06 Minnesota Timberwolves: 33-49
2006-07 Minnesota Timberwolves: 32-50

2005-06 Seattle Sonics: 35-47
2006-07 Seattle Sonics: 31-51

2005-06 Boston Celtics: 33-49
2006-07 Boston Celtics: 24-48

[monosylab1k]

All hail, the true superstars who get the Nike commercials and Sportscenter highlights and lead their teams to greatness!


2005-06 Minnesota Timberwolves: 33-49
2006-07 Minnesota Timberwolves: 32-50

2005-06 Seattle Sonics: 35-47
2006-07 Seattle Sonics: 31-51

2005-06 Boston Celtics: 33-49
2006-07 Boston Celtics: 24-48

Ah, so being on a winning team = superstar? ing Awesome!


Slava Medvedenko, NBA Champion therefore NBA SUPERSTAR!

[monosylab1k]

Hopefully the Mavericks smarten up and trade for Medvedenko, Beno, and Michael Doleac. Playing for winning teams makes you a superstar. Those guys kick ass.

[JamStone]

You really are a ing idiot.

"Superstar" is a strong word for some of the guys I mentioned. I'll admit that. I listed trios that had put up similar production Pierce, Allen, and KG have had and will put up together. If you'll notice, I didn't use "superstar" in any of my earlier posts, even though I responded to that. I didn't clarify, and since you were being a jackass, I hadn't up to now.

The trios I listed all put up numbers that will be favorable with what KG, PP, and Allen will put up together. No, not all of the players I listed are "superstars" in every sense of the word. But, their numbers are comparable, especially when they were in the trio I listed.

And, Gugliotta was a big time player when he played with KG and Marbury.

And, over the last two seasons, how much s ust has faded on guys like Ray Allen and Paul Pierce and even KG because of their lack of success? Except for probably KG, those other two aren't considered nearly as good as they were just 2-3 years ago.

Superstars 2 or 3 years ago do not equate them to be now. That's why you can criticize Peja and Bibby and Gugs, now that you can judge it in retrospect and in context of how they are viewed now. Make no mistake tho, Peja, Bibby, and Gugs when they played in the trios I listed were star players, Peja and Bibby even superstars for a time. And, Jefferson 2 years ago was on the cusp of being viewed as a superstar.

You argue now that you have 20/20 hindsight.

It's like calling Dirk clutch after the 2006 Western Conference Finals. Calling him clutch now is laughable. But, after the 2006 WCF, no one would have argued.

Retrospect is a nice tool of argument.

But, whatever. You had to be a head about . I was just pointing out other great trios with great numbers who did not have ultimate championship success.

[monosylab1k]

"Superstar" is a strong word for some of the guys I mentioned. I'll admit that..

no, no, no, no, no......Tom Gugliotta IS a superstar! Stick with it!

how fond are your memories of Rex Chapman? If you think the Googs was a superstar, I can only imagine how hard you would nut in your pants over some Chapman.

[JamStone]

See, why did I even bother?

Go do squats in a cu ber patch.

[monosylab1k]

See, why did I even bother?

Go do squats in a cu ber patch.

I can only imagine how excited you get playing some old school NBA Jam on your Sega Genesis.

"Detlef Schrempf, Googs, Chapman, Nick Anderson!!!! Superstars galore!"

[JamStone]

You amuse me. Thanks.

[monosylab1k]

You amuse me. Thanks.

Don't worry, by your logic your team has like 8 superstars so you don't have to worry about Boston and their measly 3.

[JamStone]

Thanks.