Barry should start

[Spurminator]

If you can show me statistics that prove Barry improves in the latter minutes of his playing time... (for instance, he plays 20 minutes and shoots better in minutes 11-20 than the first ten) then I will buy your argument.

You simply cannot decrease Brown's minutes with the way he's playing, and you certainly can't put Manu on the bench when he has a legitimate shot at being an All Star.

[Gummi]

The first 15 games of the season Barry was the first player of the bench, replacing Manu at the 6 minute mark. OK. He was playing farily well for the most part, then came a couple of games where he struggled. So Pop went more and more to Devin. He was putting up good numbers and hustling on defense. OK.

The last 5-6 games Devin has sometimes been the first of the bench and sometimes Barry has been the first. Usually when Barry came in he was missing all of his shots. So when the time came to put Manu back in to replace Barry, Devin was playing very well as Bowen's sub. So when Manu or Bowen were replaced Pop gave the call to Devin, why? Because he was playing well. Pop doesn't give players minutes just for the fun of it. So while Barry was struggling, Devin was not.

Why again should Barry be playing 30 minutes a night and Devin shouldn't get of the bench?

[BigVee]

If you can show me statistics that prove Barry improves in the latter minutes of his playing time... (for instance, he plays 20 minutes and shoots better in minutes 11-20 than the first ten) then I will buy your argument.

You simply cannot decrease Brown's minutes with the way he's playing, and you certainly can't put Manu on the bench when he has a legitimate shot at being an All Star.

There are plenty of minutes to get a few more for BB. Manu looked so tired last night, he was dragging himself around. And I would cut down on Bowen's minutes. We didn't lose last night because of the defense. We scored 80 frickin points!!!!

[BigVee]

The first 15 games of the season Barry was the first player of the bench, replacing Manu at the 6 minute mark. OK. He was playing farily well for the most part, then came a couple of games where he struggled. So Pop went more and more to Devin. He was putting up good numbers and hustling on defense. OK.

The last 5-6 games Devin has sometimes been the first of the bench and sometimes Barry has been the first. Usually when Barry came in he was missing all of his shots. So when the time came to put Manu back in to replace Barry, Devin was playing very well as Bowen's sub. So when Manu or Bowen were replaced Pop gave the call to Devin, why? Because he was playing well. Pop doesn't give players minutes just for the fun of it. So while Barry was struggling, Devin was not.

Why again should Barry be playing 30 minutes a night and Devin shouldn't get of the bench?

Just wish Van Gundy thinks like you....McGrady would have been on the bench at the end of the game.

[ChumpDumper]

Just wish Van Gundy thinks like you....McGrady would have been on the bench at the end of the game.

Who's better than McGrady on that team? There are three guys playing better than Barry at his position right now.

[BigVee]

Right. Ok, back to work. You have given me some comic relief.

[ChumpDumper]

You have too.

30 mintues of Shane Barry.

*snort*

[BigVee]

You have too.

30 mintues of Shane Barry.

*snort*

Cool, look forward to the next go around.

[ChumpDumper]

Cool, look forward to the next go around.

I'm waiting for Barry to prove me wrong.

I welcome it.

[SuperManu!!!]

LEt's make it simple!
Manu and bowen are the real starters. Manu plays 30 minutes and barry the other 18 minutes. Same for bowen and brown.....but if any of this players are in a good night, let's make them play more minutes. That's it.

[ChumpDumper]

LEt's make it simple!
Manu and bowen are the real starters. Manu plays 30 minutes and barry the other 18 minutes. Same for bowen and brown.....but if any of this players are in a good night, let's make them play more minutes. That's it.

That's pretty much what happens anyway. It's just that Barry has been that bad and Brown has been that good -- Brown gets all the minutes.

[Rummpd]

BS thread. If anyone Brown should be starting. Play Barry 15 a night and let it go at that on a regular basis.

MadDoc

[ducks]

play 15 minutes a game once he earns it back

[ShoogarBear]

is barry even hitting his shots in warmups?

ducks, you're on a roll today!

[whottt]

We did this last year because we had no alternative.

It didn't work.

This year we have an alternative that's kicking ass.

Geezus F can we please put ing Chump on probation until "it" is actually right about something? Goddman it's just endless wrong talking more and more ...it's endless.

Takes ing balls to sit and make derisive Hedo comments ass breath, you were the one defending that move. Holy what in the is wrong withy you? You were one with your head up Hedo's ass last season.



You were alsot he one who wanted Charlie Ward.

You were also the one who defended Pop's benching of Malik.

You talked to me this past summer and said Malik was going to suck.

You a ing moron because you sit there say a guy is if he plays 4 or 5 bad games and you say he belong on the bench...asswipe how the do you expect them to get better if they don't get any playing time you dumbass.

Guess what asshat, we ing losing games, the object is to win...using your primitive analytical perspective, the whole team sucks, bench them dumbass, see where it gets you.

Just STFU until you are actually right about something...note, I said STFU until you are right...which means you will hopefully be STFU forever....And don't ...it's the same philosophy you have towards players...

[SequSpur]

^Brutal.

[TwoHandJam]

Geezus F can we please put ing Chump on probation until "it" is actually right about something? Goddman it's just endless wrong talking more and more ...it's endless.

Takes ing balls to sit and make derisive Hedo comments ass breath, you were the one defending that move. Holy what in the is wrong withy you? You were one with your head up Hedo's ass last season.



You were alsot he one who wanted Charlie Ward.

You were also the one who defended Pop's benching of Malik.

You talked to me this past summer and said Malik was going to suck.

You a ing moron because you sit there say a guy is if he plays 4 or 5 bad games and you say he belong on the bench...asswipe how the do you expect them to get better if they don't get any playing time you dumbass.

Guess what asshat, we ing losing games, the object is to win...using your primitive analytical perspective, the whole team sucks, bench them dumbass, see where it gets you.

Just STFU until you are actually right about something...note, I said STFU until you are right...which means you will hopefully be STFU forever....And don't ...it's the same philosophy you have towards players...

I won't be that brutal but I have to agree with Whottt that not giving Barry at least more than 6mpg to break out of his slump is ridiculous. He's played 6mpg in our last two losses. He isn't causing us to lose games.

Barry is far from being an unproven like Hedo. This is a guy who shot over 50% just last year. Most guards don't do that ever in their entire careers. Barry has done it twice. Don't tell me that he's all of a sudden lost all his bball skills.

You don't have to take minutes from Brown as he's earned them but Pop could find more than 6mpg for him. Shave off some minutes from Beno (who looked utterly lost in Seattle) when he's sucking and maybe a few from Bowen. Pop underused Kerr in 2003 and were it not for Tim insisting he play in the playoffs, we might not have even won a le. Barry has a career fg% of .462. Don't waste it Pop.

[Manu20]

I say give some minutes to Barry at backup PG.

[SequSpur]

As soon as the sphincter tightens, Pop is rolling with corporate knowledge. They are 0 and 5 in those games.

[timvp]

Geezus F can we please put ing Chump on probation until "it" is actually right about something? Goddman it's just endless wrong talking more and more ...it's endless.

Takes ing balls to sit and make derisive Hedo comments ass breath, you were the one defending that move. Holy what in the is wrong withy you? You were one with your head up Hedo's ass last season.



You were alsot he one who wanted Charlie Ward.

You were also the one who defended Pop's benching of Malik.

You talked to me this past summer and said Malik was going to suck.

You a ing moron because you sit there say a guy is if he plays 4 or 5 bad games and you say he belong on the bench...asswipe how the do you expect them to get better if they don't get any playing time you dumbass.

Guess what asshat, we ing losing games, the object is to win...using your primitive analytical perspective, the whole team sucks, bench them dumbass, see where it gets you.

Just STFU until you are actually right about something...note, I said STFU until you are right...which means you will hopefully be STFU forever....And don't ...it's the same philosophy you have towards players...

[whottt]

This was Chump last season when Hedo sucked and was started ahead of Manu...

Chump: Hedo>Manu...


He took nothing into account about how that switch transpired...it was just Hedo > Manu

Sensible poster: Well Hedo is starting because Hedo sucke,d it was to boost his confidence. It's not because Hedo is actully greater than Manu.

Chump: He is now. Manu sucks.

Chump:Manu sucks and dseserves to be the back up, Hedo's kicking ass, if I had to lean towards which one was better I'd have to admit I am leading towards Hedo.

He totally defended an inferior player being started ahead of a superior player. He wasn't singing doghouse thenm he was all over that guys jock...the only guy he doghoused was the guy who got ed out of his starting spot.



We should not start Barry, especially over Manu, but jezus, this idea that, because they played bad they should be doghoused and never get any playing time is ridiculous...

And it's really ridiculous coming from Dump

Hedo> Manu remember?

[milkyway21]

how can barry prove his worth playing 5 and 6 minutes? dont yank him as soon as he misses one shot. i know what barry is going through. before i hardly used to handle the ball, so ppl didnt know my complete game, especially as a PG. but when im trusted more with it i do some good things. barry needs the mins

I've been thinking about it, too! He can't prove anything if he'll just logged in 8 min.He impressed me one game when he played more minutes & was 4-4. I forgot the opponent.

[Kori Ellis]

Where would you draw the line with Barry? Would you let him play 10 minutes and suck before pulling him? 15 minutes?

It's so hard to draw that line if you know that you have other people on the bench worthy of the minutes.

I'm not disagreeing with playing him. I'm just saying it's very difficult to find the line.

Let's say you play him 12 mpg for the next 2 weeks and he still isn't performing. Do you still keep going to him? Increase his minutes even more?

[timvp]

Whottt doesn't like rewarding players for playing well. He wants Hubie Brown to coach and all players average 24 minutes per game.

[whottt]

And stop comparing Barry to Hedo as well...

Hedo: Traded here. Didn't want pressure. Didn't want to be the designated 3 shooter. More worried about getting his shots in a contract year than being productive int he role the team asked of him.


Brent Barry: Came here to take the big shots. Is more than happy to play off the bench. Is not worried about how many shots he is getting. Just wants to win. That is why he came here.

And he has hit big shots since he has been here.

Don't tell me we lose by playing Barry heavy minutes...we struggle and lose when we don't play him big minutes. It's not hard to see the trend: Detroit(not a good Detroit team when they are playing anyone besides the Spurs), Seattle, Houston.

Chicago and Boston might have ended up this same way if not for some big momentum keeping shots by Barry when it mattered...

And TimVP can refuse to give Barry a shred of praise for knocking down some clutch FT...and say Barry was just doing his job when hit those FT's...but conveniently ignoring the fact that everyone else was choking them...


Might be nice if the chosen ones were doing their jobs. Bench them, they lost a game....use the same standard.

Malik 0-5 2 rebounds in 25 minutes. Bench him.