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    FootballJerks.com kris's Avatar
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    Kris, if working out the same muscle group two days in a row is stupid, then why do pro body builders work out the same muscle groups like 5 days in a row? I've done the samething and I've gotten better results than working my biceps 3 sets of 7 one every week. I know people who work out 5 days a week and they're working the same body parts/around those same body parts those 5 days.

    As far as gaining weight goes, theres more to it besides protien, protien will build lean muscle mass, but if you're not intaking a larger amount calories/carbs it won't give you the weight you are looking for.

    Are you talking about the guys that have 1/2 inch veins on the muscle mag covers? I'm not being sarcastic or anything, I just want to clarify.

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    Spur-taaaa TDMVPDPOY's Avatar
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    workin on your flacid = does not mean weight lifting...

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    Kris - thx.

    Can't be faded nailed it.

    If those really are E20's biceps (nice troll, BTW), the boy don't need to get bigger.

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    Bernoullin' niggas! BUMP's Avatar
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    the picture in E20's Biceps is a guy who's flexing his triceps

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    Are you talking about the guys that have 1/2 inch veins on the muscle mag covers? I'm not being sarcastic or anything, I just want to clarify.
    Well not just him........the body building magazines I read give workout routines and by your standards all those routines would be overworking, because they have numerous sets that work out the same area, and it's usually done in consecutive days.

    the picture in E20's Biceps is a guy who's flexing his triceps
    Haters wanna hate, lovers wanna love, I don't even want none of the above, I just want to........piss on you.


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    I have not lifted much in the last 5 weeks. I am running in the Hood to Coast relay in 2 weeks and have been training for it. The less bulk I have, the better as this thing is probably going to kill me!

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    Kris, if working out the same muscle group two days in a row is stupid, then why do pro body builders work out the same muscle groups like 5 days in a row? I've done the samething and I've gotten better results than working my biceps 3 sets of 7 one every week. I know people who work out 5 days a week and they're working the same body parts/around those same body parts those 5 days.

    As far as gaining weight goes, theres more to it besides protien, protien will build lean muscle mass, but if you're not intaking a larger amount calories/carbs it won't give you the weight you are looking for.
    they take creatine, they are stupid. they are messing with their hormones and their number one goal is to win lifting comps, whether messing with their body or not. they will pay in the future. don't do what they do.

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    Kris, you can call it stupid all you want you big pussy, it's made me stronger at a faster rate.

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    Kris, you can call it stupid all you want you big pussy, it's made me stronger at a faster rate.
    you will pay for it later on. when you are 50, you will get arthiritis

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    they take creatine, they are stupid. they are messing with their hormones and their number one goal is to win lifting comps, whether messing with their body or not. they will pay in the future. don't do what they do.
    They don't take creatine, they take stuff I can't even dream about. Still, Creatine isn't bad for you if you know what to do with it.

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    They don't take creatine, they take stuff I can't even dream about. Still, Creatine isn't bad for you if you know what to do with it.
    creatine is bad for you... do you use it?

    no wonder you biceps are big, no . it's like a mini steroid with less effects.

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    Kris, you can call it stupid all you want you big pussy, it's made me stronger at a faster rate.
    Ok big man. If it works for you it works for you.

    I bet you'll never touch 3x8 65lb dumbell curls though.


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    Kris, you can call it stupid all you want you big pussy, it's made me stronger at a faster rate.
    quoth the average vitamin S user as well.

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    kris > alvarez

    on weightlifting knowledge

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    Maaaaaannnn fuck.... E20's Avatar
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    creatine is bad for you... do you use it?

    no wonder you biceps are big, no . it's like a mini steroid with less effects.
    I used to for like two weeks, but I've taken something worse though........

    Creatine is naturally found in all animal's. It's something naturally made to aid in the process of ATP, so you can't say it's a foreign/harmful substance. When taken the right way Creatine can be helpful.


    Why does everybody always say no , are you guys calling me a or not a a ?

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    Creatine isn't bad for you at all. E20 is right. It is not a hormone, and it can't give you arthritis. Well, maybe it can indirectly, but thats through gaining weight and placing stress on your joints.

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    Ok big man. If it works for you it works for you.

    I bet you'll never touch 3x8 65lb dumbell curls though.

    How old are you? I'm just wondering/curious, you don't have to answer if you don't want to.

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    when you say "no " it acts as a cancellation if you say something that might sound a little gay. i think it started from the black community, which is why fillmoe always says it.

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    FootballJerks.com kris's Avatar
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    How old are you? I'm just wondering/curious, you don't have to answer if you don't want to.
    I'm 26.

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    FootballJerks.com kris's Avatar
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    Creatine isn't bad for you at all. E20 is right. It is not a hormone, and it can't give you arthritis. Well, maybe it can indirectly, but thats through gaining weight and placing stress on your joints.

    Creatine is bad for you. It is extremely bad for your kidneys.

    Protein powder isn't great either, but I've heard of lots more against creatine.

    It works for sure, but I wouldn't touch it.

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    Creatine is bad for you. It is extremely bad for your kidneys.

    Protein powder isn't great either, but I've heard of lots more against creatine.

    It works for sure, but I wouldn't touch it.
    Everything (Supplements) is bad for your kidney's. I haven't seen any case study that shows that creatine is worse on your kidney's than protien powder. The only reason I stopped using creatine was because people kept on saying:

    Creatine just makes your muscles look big, in reality you're weak, but big looking/ Creatine is like steroids so you're cheating.

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    Why does everybody always say no , are you guys calling me a or not a a ?

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=47yAFOmP1y8

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    In the begining of the video he was playing God of War II, that's the game I'm currently playing right now.

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    Creatine is bad for you. It is extremely bad for your kidneys.
    Link?? There are tons of studies that have been done that absolve creatine from deteriorating renal function. Creatinine levels in the blood are used to monitor kidney function, but just because you take the supplement doesn't mean your kidneys don't work well.

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    J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2004 Dec;44(4):411-6. R

    Is the use of oral creatine supplementation safe?

    Bizzarini E, De Angelis L.

    School of Sports Medicine, University of Trieste, Trieste, Italy.

    This review focuses on the potential side effects caused by oral creatine supplementation on gastrointestinal, cardiovascular, musculoskeletal, renal and liver functions. No strong evidence linking creatine supplementation to deterioration of these functions has been found. In fact, most reports on side effects, such as muscle cramping, gastrointestinal symptoms, changes in renal and hepatic laboratory values, remain anecdotal because the case studies do not represent well-controlled trials, so no causal relationship between creatine supplementation and these side-effects has yet been established. The only do ented side effect is an increase in body mass. Furthermore, a possibly unexpected outcome related to creatine monohydrate ingestion is the amount of contaminants present that may be generated during the industrial production. Recently, controlled studies made to integrate the existing knowledge based on anecdotal reports on the side effects of creatine have indicated that, in healthy subjects, oral supplementation with creatine, even with long-term dosage, may be considered an effective and safe ergogenic aid. However, athletes should be educated as to proper dosing or to take creatine under medical supervision.


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    J Herb Pharmacother. 2004;4(1):1-7.

    Effects of creatine supplementation on renal function.

    Yoshizumi WM, Tsourounis C.

    Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Los Angeles, CA., USA.

    Creatine is a popular supplement used by athletes in an effort to increase muscle performance. The purpose of this review was to assess the literature evaluating the effects of creatine supplementation on renal function. A PubMed search was conducted to identify relevant articles using the keywords, creatine, supplementation, supplements, renal dysfunction, ergogenic aid and renal function. Twelve pertinent articles and case reports were identified. According to the existing literature, creatine supplementation appears safe when used by healthy adults at the recommended loading (20 gm/day for five days) and maintenance doses (</=3 gm/day). In people with a history of renal disease or those taking nephrotoxic medications, creatine may be associated with an increased risk of renal dysfunction. One case report of acute renal failure was reported in a 20-year-old man taking 20 gm/day of creatine for a period of four weeks. There are few trials investigating the long-term use of creatine supplementation in doses exceeding 10 gm/day. Furthermore, the safety of creatine in children and adolescents has not been established. Since creatine supplementation may increase creatinine levels, it may act as a false indicator of renal dysfunction. Future studies should include renal function markers other than serum creatinine and creatinine clearance.


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    Int J Sports Med. 2005 May;26(4):307-13.

    Few adverse effects of long-term creatine supplementation in a placebo-controlled trial.

    Groeneveld GJ, Beijer C, Veldink JH, Kalmijn S, Wokke JH, van den Berg LH.

    Department of Neurology, University Medical Centre Utrecht, The Netherlands.

    Although oral creatine supplementation is very popular among athletes, no prospective placebo-controlled studies on the adverse effects of long-term supplementation have yet been conducted. We performed a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of creatine monohydrate in patients with the neurodegenerative disease amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, because of the neuroprotective effects it was shown to have in animal experiments. The purpose of this paper is to compare the adverse effects, and to describe the effects on indirect markers of renal function of long-term creatine supplementation. 175 subjects (age = 57.7 +/- 11.1 y) were randomly assigned to receive creatine monohydrate 10 g daily or placebo during an average period of 310 days. After one month, two months and from then on every fourth month, adverse effects were scored using dichotomous questionnaires, plasma urea concentrations were measured, and urinary creatine and albumin concentrations were determined. No significant differences in the occurrence at any time of adverse effects due to creatine supplementation were found (23 % nausea in the creatine group, vs. 24 % in the placebo group, 19 % gastro-intestinal discomfort in the creatine group, vs. 18 % in the placebo group, 35 % diarrhoea in the creatine group, vs. 24 % in the placebo group). After two months of treatment, edematous limbs were seen more often in subjects using creatine, probably due to water retention. Severe diarrhoea (n = 2) and severe nausea (n = 1) caused 3 subjects in the creatine group to stop intake of creatine, after which these adverse effects subsided. Long-term supplementation of creatine did not lead to an increase of plasma urea levels (5.69 +/- 1.47 before treatment vs. 5.26 +/- 1.44 at the end of treatment) or to a higher prevalence of micro-albuminuria (5.4 % before treatment vs. 1.8 % at the end of treatment).


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    Creatine just makes your muscles look big, in reality you're weak, but big looking/ Creatine is like steroids so you're cheating.
    True.

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    Mil Med. 2007 Mar;172(3):312-7. Related Articles, Links

    The effect and safety of short-term creatine supplementation on performance of push-ups.

    Armentano MJ, Brenner AK, Hedman TL, Solomon ZT, Chavez J, Kemper GB, Salzberg D, Battafarano DF, Christie DS.

    Physical Therapy Department, Chinle Comprehensive Health Care Facility, Chinle, AZ 86503, USA.

    The effects of short-term oral creatine (Cr) supplementation on exercise performance and on blood pressure and renal function were assessed. Thirty-five healthy, active duty, U.S. Army volunteers (20 men and 15 women; age, 22-36 years) at Fort Sam Houston, Texas, supplemented their diet for 7 days with 20 g/day of either Cr or taurine (as placebo). There was no significant difference in 2-minute push-up counts between the Cr and taurine groups from before to after supplementation (p = 0.437; power = 0.98). The Cr group demonstrated a significant increase in serum creatinine levels (p < 0.001), compared with the taurine group, and this increase could be misinterpreted as impairment of renal function. No adverse changes in blood pressure, body composition, weight, or serum Cr phosphokinase levels were observed. We conclude that short-term Cr supplementation appears to be safe but does not enhance push-up performance.

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