The NFL wants TW to add the NFL Network to its basic package and charge for it on top of that, whether the subscriber wants the channel or not. Someone who does not want to pay will have no choice but to pay for it, the NFL wants to force TW customers to pay for the channel whether they want to or not. So if you have cable and are not a football fan....TS. TW believes that only those who want the the channel should pay, they don't want to force everyone to have to have it.
On top of that the network is only showing 8 games during the year, less than one per week, this after showing 52 pre-season games, that is the rip-off IMO. NBA TV shows that many in just 2 weeks or so.
The NBA has each team playing 82 games a season, and has 40+ games a week. The NFL has 16 game schedules and about that many games a week. Bad comparison, but both of these assholes are to blame for being flat out greedy. I personally don't give a as I am local in the metroplex and will get the Cowboys on local TV, but it sucks for fellow Cowboys fans who have to go to a sportsbar to watch a damn NFL game.
The internet is a mysterious and powerful device, and its mystery is only exceeded by its power. Case in point, I am a Colts fan living in Texas and have seen all of their games so far this year.... I don't have NFL Sunday Ticket or the NFL Network which means I, theoretically, should have been blocked out of at least half of their games so far depending on CBS blackouts. You don't have to go to bars to watch NFL games that are blacked out or on the NFL Network.
Bad comparison? Why?
There are some weeks that NFL Network is showing no games, why?
At least one per week would be an improvement, this after showing 52 pre-season games.
The NFL wants you to pay for extra for just eight games while all the other games are either on basic cable or free over the air TV.
TW offered the NFL PPV at a total profit for the NFL, and was turned down last I heard. They denied TW Sunday Ticket, where the subscriber could pick and choose what and when to watch games. IMO it is a total money grab by the NFL in this instance.
Comcast has it on their Sports tier in Houston, but the NFL won't allow TW the same choice here. Grande has NFL Network on their Digital package, but won't allow TW the same deal, why? IMO they really don't care about the fans.The NFL wants to force it upon practically everybody who subscribes to it at an extra charge. They charge for WGN & WTBS, but you have a choice of whether or not to receive those chnnls, why not NFL network too?
Good for you. Go watch your pirated broadcasts and enjoy.
BOO THE NFL, NFL Network and Jerry Jones, they are trying to blame Time Warner for not carring the games?!?!?!
I could see their point if I lived in New York and was a Cowboys fan and wanted to see the game.
But why should we be forced to pay for games that were always shown on local tv or ESPN stations?
its all about the $$$$
once again we get screwed
it's not Time Warner its the Greedy NFL
The thing is that its the same (less the individual charge) for every other channel. It wasn't discussed but the price of regular cable went up with The Food Network and each and nearly every other specialty channel thats ever made it to cable. Its a pissing match over money and TW doesn't want to pay the asking price for the NFL network, they want to pay less and charge for it. The flip side of that is that the NFL network won't get for advertising on the channel if only a few homes pay for it vs. being an available channel for everyone.
Think of it this way.....if you are going to advertise Ford trucks you would be inclided to pay a little extra and put your spot on ESPN rather than put your spot on a pay channel that most people don't have. So the asking price for advertising commercials dips dramatically unless the channel is available to everyone.
TW holds the cards and they are going to be as greedy as they like. They expect the NFL network to fold because of TW size. Both a bunch of assholes if you ask me.
Seriously though, the solution is to just get Grande. Make TW pay for their greed by switching. I'm not a fan of the NFL Network but I don't think their expectation is too high for TW. We are talking about a buck and half hike in cable prices to put this on the basic platform, a buck and half that we would have seen hiked anyway.
i totally agree with you, but i think the NFL is being a bit more ridiculous - the NFL network is essentially a worthless channel except for those eight games. who the wants to watch it outside of the 4-5 months a year that the sport is active? let TW put it in the sports package just like the NBA network for chrissakes. it's already bad enough that they screw over half their audience with Sunday Ticket only being on DirecTV. Then you hear JJ actively pimping Dish on the radio because TW won't have the boys on Thursday. it just makes me sick.
I don't disagree with you Taco but things change. Its like saying "why should we pay for three dollar gas when it was only a buck fifty 3 years ago."why should we be forced to pay for games that were always shown on local tv or on ESPN
it's not Time Warner its the Greedy NFL
I hate them both and I hope they both die. TW knows they can with the NFL Network, they didn't do this to the other stations with the same demands.
LET'S ALL GET A HYBRID!!!
I laughed out loudLET'S ALL GET A HYBRID!!!
NFL wants .65 per subscriber. ESPN collects about $3.
TW wants to charge an extra $15 or so for their sports tier which they know the NFL Network would make more valuable.
Seems to me that the NFL should allow TW to do what it wants, but instead charge them $3 per subscriber instead of .65. Of course, TW still wants to pay .65 which is what the NFL gets for basic from other cable and satellite providers.
TW is going to need to bite the bullet if they begin to lose too many subcribers.
The consumer should totally be on the side of the NFL!
WHAT EXACTLY DOES TW's "SPORTS TIER" CURRENTLY CONSIST OF?
By filing a cease and decist I'm getting the impression that TW is beginning to feel a little crunch.
Even with a 3 dollar change, there is no way they could collect enough to even get close to the advertising monies they'd lose by being on a pay tier vs. regular cable.
the NFL is rarely on the side of the consumer, why should we be?
I am simplifying it too much but
If comcast, directv, dish and others can work something out...that to me puts the blame on one en y.
p.s. nfl network on Dish is not on any special tier...as a matter of fact, nba tv is on sports tier with Dish while NFL network is on top 100 or top 150.
I'm not supporting the entire NFL per se, but am supporting the consumer 100% which means I must support the NFL in this case.
http://www.timewarnercable.com/SanAn...tspackage.html
NFL network would be the only thing of real value.
Enjoy all sports, all day with Time Warner Cable's Sports Package for only $8.95 a month!*
WHAT?
I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT DUDE FROM TW SAY SEVERAL TIMES IT WOULD ONLY BE $5.00 FOR THE SPORTS TIER
the * means the price doesn't include taxes and fees. Plus, the addition of the NFL network would give them leverage to increase the price even more.
http://www.timewarnercable.com/sanan...ealacarte.html
Sports Service
NBA TV, Speed Channel, Outdoor Channel, Fox Sports World, GSN, ESPNews, FCS Atlantic, FCS Central, FCS Pacific, The Tennis Channel, Fuel, and CSTV. $5.00/mo.
Sports Package
Includes Sports Service channels and Bevo On Demand $8.95/mo.
The NFL network alone is worth all of those channels combined. Nevertheless, if you're in favor of paying extra for a channel that is includied in basic packages with other providers then sobeit.
I like getting more for less with Dish.
Last edited by 2centsworth; 11-26-2007 at 04:33 PM.
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