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  1. #51
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    I just don't buy the whole Jordan is a better teammate....he bashed his teammates and coaching staff weekly in the press and to their faces. Now, he had great teammates that deffered to his talent...

    Does Kobe have antisocial behaviour yes, somewhat a detriment to his team, but still he played with the most dominant big of his era and still managed to "fit in" and contribute....the most assists and steals on his team while shutting down and taking the last shots in the game. Like I said, his legacy is still being written.

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    Sharing the spotlight...then why even play for the Team USA.....personal glory. Granted, he's an ego maniac, true, won't argue that, but he knows better than most that 1 man can't win the game.

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    and for the record, Kobe is not driven in any way like Jordan.

    Jordan played to win, bottom line. His "selfishness" was a result of him wanting to win so badly.

    Kobe doesn't play to win. Kobe plays for his own personal glory. It's tough for people to adore you and love you and call you great when your team sucks as bad as the Lakers. Don't mistake his "trade me" talk as some desire to be a winner. It's a desire for people to give a about Kobe again.

    Why do you think he wanted Jermaine O'Neal but not Garnett? With JO it's still THE KOBE SHOW. With Garnett he's back to sharing the spotlight.
    I'm not going to defend Kobe's selfishness, his preference is to be top dog AND win, but you don't think he's frustrated by the detritus Mitch Kupchak surrounded him with? We've all seen the tape, he'd rather have J-Kidd than Bynum. And who says he didn't want Garnett? I'm sure he gnashed his teeth when the trade went down.

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    KG and KB are friends and have talked about playing on the same team. It didn't work out...big deal....move on. Kobe still needs to learn what it is to be humble, we'll see this year.

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    And who says he didn't want Garnett?
    I'd say by his reaction. Garnett-to-Lakers is the big talk and Kobe throws cold water on it by saying "Nah I still want to be traded"

    Jermaine-to-Lakers talks start up and suddenly it's "You know, I still want to keep playing here!"

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    I'd say by his reaction. Garnett-to-Lakers is the big talk and Kobe throws cold water on it by saying "Nah I still want to be traded"

    Jermaine-to-Lakers talks start up and suddenly it's "You know, I still want to keep playing here!"
    I can't keep track of the back and forth trade demands. I'm pretty sure on the hierarchy of that team Garnett would've been Pippen to his Jordan, both in who deferred to whom in crunchtime (always been KG's weakness) as well as who was marketed as the #1 guy.

  7. #57
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    Kobe will be a Laker this year.....true.

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    Don't mistake his "trade me" talk as some desire to be a winner. It's a desire for people to give a about Kobe again.
    And straight out of the Phil Jackson playbook, it came on the day the Spurs won the West.

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    I'm not going to defend Kobe's selfishness, his preference is to be top dog AND win, but you don't think he's frustrated by the detritus Mitch Kupchak surrounded him with? We've all seen the tape, he'd rather have J-Kidd than Bynum. And who says he didn't want Garnett? I'm sure he gnashed his teeth when the trade went down.
    Kobe had Caron Butler, Chucky Atkins and Lamar Odom and couldn't make the playoffs.

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    Kobe had Caron Butler, Chucky Atkins and Lamar Odom and couldn't make the playoffs.
    Yet he made the playoffs the next year with Kwame Brown, Smush Parker and Lamar Odom. So make of it what you will.

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    Yet he made the playoffs the next year with Kwame Brown, Smush Parker and Lamar Odom. So make of it what you will.
    He did it scoring 35 points per game on 27 shots per game. There's a diminishing return from increasing eight points on seven shots every season.

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    Give me a guy who can score 35+ points per game and not shoot a lot, being the only threat and constantly trippled teamed any day. You did see the team he has had, right....

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    Give me a guy who can score 35+ points per game and not shoot a lot, being the only threat and constantly trippled teamed any day. You did see the team he has had, right....
    You do know that 27.2 shots per game is a lot, right?

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    Of course that's a lot....but that's 1 year.

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    Of course that's a lot....but that's 1 year.
    yeah, that's only 1 entire year of ballhogging. it's not like he impeded the development of younger guys like Luke Walton or Vujacic or Bynum with a ballhogging display that puts Iverson to shame.

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    yeah, that's only 1 entire year of ballhogging. it's not like he impeded the development of younger guys like Luke Walton or Vujacic or Bynum with a ballhogging display that puts Iverson to shame.
    You think Vujacic has potential? He's a pussy.

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    You think Vujacic has potential? He's a pussy.
    it's hard to tell with anyone on that team when all they do is play defense and then run to the other end and watch kobe jack up a shot.

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    it's hard to tell with anyone on that team when all they do is play defense and then run to the other end and watch kobe jack up a shot.
    My favorite Vujacic story is from the 06 playoffs when his idea of "defending" Nash was to try and body him up aggressively, only to get taken off the dribble repeatedly. Finally Nash had to pull him aside and ask "Dude, just some friendly advice, but what the are you doing?"

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    My favorite Vujacic story is from the 06 playoffs when his idea of "defending" Nash was to try and body him up aggressively, only to get taken off the dribble repeatedly. Finally Nash had to pull him aside and ask "Dude, just some friendly advice, but what the are you doing?"
    LMAO that really happened?

    then again, that beats giving him a 5 foot cushion right at the 3pt line at then end of a game 6

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    LMAO that really happened?
    Yeah, I'm not sure where I read it, maybe the McCallum book.

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    Of course that's a lot....but that's 1 year.
    That's the one year he averaged over 35 points per game. You said he did it without shooting a lot. He leads the league in field goal attempts. What part of "not shooting a lot" is that?

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    LMAO that really happened?

    then again, that beats giving him a 5 foot cushion right at the 3pt line at then end of a game 6
    If it weren't for Manu and Dirk, would JET have ever been able to show his face in Dallas again? Two straight playoff exits because he failed to close out on his man.

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    No matter what you think of Kobe as a person, as a basketball player he is second to none! MJ went thru several teammates for 7 years before the Bulls Sniffed a le. It's ridiculous to think that to be the best you have to make ALL players better. Even the great MJ didn't do that. Until he was given a team with a top 50 NBA player (Pippen) , A top PF(Grant) /Perhaps the best rebounding PF to ever play the game(Rodman), A top center in the league (Cartwright) along with various spot up shooters (paxson, Kerr, Harper, BJ) and veteran role players (Levingston, McCray, Harper, King, Walker, etc). The Bulls won nothing. He had players such as Oakley, Green, Gervin, Banks, Woolridge, Paxson, Dailey, etc.. and couldnt get out the first round.

    When Kobe had all of the above, (top 50 player, spot up shooters and veteran role players) he was a major star for 3 les in a row for the lakers.

    When it is all said and done, Kobe will be known as the best player to ever play the game. Surpassing Magic and Jordan. Deservingly so!

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    No matter what you think of Kobe as a person, as a basketball player he is second to none! MJ went thru several teammates for 7 years before the Bulls Sniffed a le. It's ridiculous to think that to be the best you have to make ALL players better. Even the great MJ didn't do that. Until he was given a team with a top 50 NBA player (Pippen) , A top PF(Grant) /Perhaps the best rebounding PF to ever play the game(Rodman), A top center in the league (Cartwright) along with various spot up shooters (paxson, Kerr, Harper, BJ) and veteran role players (Levingston, McCray, Harper, King, Walker, etc). The Bulls won nothing. He had players such as Oakley, Green, Gervin, Banks, Woolridge, Paxson, Dailey, etc.. and couldnt get out the first round.

    When Kobe had all of the above, (top 50 player, spot up shooters and veteran role players) he was a major star for 3 les in a row for the lakers.

    When it is all said and done, Kobe will be known as the best player to ever play the game. Surpassing Magic and Jordan. Deservingly so!

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    When Derek Fisher had all of the above, (top 50 player, spot up shooters and veteran role players) he was a major star for 3 les in a row for the lakers.

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