tim is better than hakeem. a lot of people forget when hakeem came out of college, all raw talent and no fundamentals. there were times he kept questioning his teammates, he didn't trust them until one time they won something like 13 games in a row while he was injured. he had three trips to the finals, only won two of them (lost to an aging boston team). he won two championships against shaq (before his prime) and ewing (in his prime) after going through malone stockton (in thier prime), barkley (in his prime), robinson (in his prime), and the trailblazers (two years after they went to the finals).
he was no slouch. but he didn't do as much as duncan. we can't put them against eachother with the same rules and the same teammates around them, so i'll go scoreboard.
Duncan>Hakeem and Yao
Duncan's a the star that leads and other players become a better players only because they playing with him. my sig prove that
Hakkem hasn't that gravitation, he took Shaq to school in the Rockets/Orlando nba finals but Timmy is the best forever.
I don't know why other fans are debating this? History will show that Duncan was the better player. More championships more accomplishments, just better.
I just played TD v. Dream on my NBA Live. Duncan won.
If you make Hakeem a power forward, he'll have a better argument.
I don't disagree that Tim Duncan is better. I just don't agree with a few people saying it's CLEARLY SO or it's Duncan in a LANDSLIDE.
Hakeem was a genius on the low-block. He had as smooth and as clever of moves in the post as anyone in the history of the game. His athleticism and agility for a 7-footer were unprecedented. And, his defense was just unbelievable.
People, especially Spurs fans, can point at championships and call it case closed. I don't think it's quite that simple.
What both players did in their respective eras was phenomenal. Hakeem was not raised by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. He did not have another Hall of Famer he could lean on when he entered the league to take pressure off of him. Imagine if Hakeem had a well established former MVP center on the Rockets when he first came into the NBA so he could slide over to the power forward spot and play against smaller power forwards on a night in and night out basis. When Hakeem won his les (granted they were in the two seasons Jordan decided to take a break in), he had Drexler one year, but he didn't have much frontcourt help at all. He had Otis Thorpe the first championship, and then Robert Horry the second, who back then was more of a small forward than a power forward. Kenny Smith, Vernon Maxwell, Sam Cassell were all solid players, but none were capable of carrying the team. Duncan has been fortunate enough to have had David Robinson his first two championships, and then have Manu and Parker emerge as bonafide superstar type of players, especially when it comes to the playoffs. Now, you can give credit to Tim Duncan to helping them become those players or Pop for coaching them into those kinds of players, but aside from that, Manu and Parker still had to become those players at least in part on their own merit.
When Hakeem first started his career, he had to play against a dynasty of a team in the Showtime Lakers. And in the 80s when Magic wasn't winning les, Larry Bird was. And, in the west, he had to deal with one of the best NBA tandems of all time in Stockton and Malone. Then Charles Barkley moved over to the West and decided to wreck the Western Conference and make it even tougher. Then Michael Jordan shut down the NBA for six out of 8 seasons. It's an accomplishment in itself to win an NBA le. Then, during that time, to be able to win two in a row, it's still very much an accomplishment.
No disrespect to any of the Spurs les. They had to go through Shaq and Kobe. But, after Shaq and Kobe, there has been little true le contending compe ion in either conference. The Webber-Peja Kings for two seasons? The Jailblazers? 40 year olds Stockton and Malone? The East has been an utter joke as well. There have been great players in the league since 1997, but fewer championship caliber teams/organizations, especially when you consider how expansion has diluted the talent level somewhat.
Tim Duncan and Hakeem Olajuwon are both Hall of Fame players that were and are phenomenal basketball players. I actually think Hakeem was the more talented player. That is by no means disrespectful to anything Tim Duncan has done as an NBA player. Tim Duncan has a few more accomplishments, aside from the DPOY award. I think it's close, and it go either way depending what you believe makes the better player.
On individual talent, I would go with Hakeem.
I would definitely NOT say it's a landslide or CLEARLY in favor of one over the other.
Hakeem on the Spurs 1999-2007+ would have made for some very good teams.
How quickly Ralph Samson is forgotten. The only difference is that Samson slid over to the 4.
Gotta love these pointless ignorant threads.
Impossible to compare Duncan and Hakeem. They played for different eras and the game, the rules, and the styles of play have changed far too much for a comparison. When Hakeem played the game was far more of a big man's league and now it is a 2 guard / small forward league. Hakeem was an excellent player in his day, and Timmy is the best at his position today.
I doubt any GM would turn a prime Timmy or Hakeem down if they were starting a franchise today.
As far as Hakeem "schooling" D'Rob in '95...lol that is SUCH an oversimplification of the way that series went. I attended all the home games in that series, so I saw what happened. Hakeem had FAR more help than D'Rob did and Houston knew it. Dave had to try to defend Hakeem 1-1 because the Rockets had such great perimeter shooting (Elie, Maxwell, Horry, K-Smith) and the Spurs had zilch outside of a streaky Elliott. Houston played smart and realized the Spurs had a guard that couldn't buy a perimeter shot (Avery) and they doubled and tripled Dave everytime he touched the ball.
Take that aberration of '95 away and D'Rob and Hakeem played each other even up their entire careers.
Ralph is in the hall of fame? I didn't know playing for like 2 full seasons and averaging 20 and 10 puts you in the HOF......
This statement/conjecture is pretty pointless:
Duncan > Hakeem, it's on a SPURS board LMAO. It's as if the thread was supposed to start controversey or something in a SPURS board. It's like the equivalent of someone posting this:
This is a Spurs board, we are Spurs fans.
it is pointless cause you put this comparison up on clutchfans and you're gonna get exactly the opposite lol
I forgot Ralph Sampson was in the Hall of Fame and was a former league MVP.
How quickly silly comments in rebuttal are made.
Tim Duncan is a fluke. Hakeem won 2 in a row, something Duncan has never done. He would have won 5 in a row but the refs screwed the Rockets and gave all the calls to the Bulls.
Fake dynasties don't win repeat championships.
So are you implying that the Rockets are a dynasty???Oh, Duncan has 4 rings, something Hakeem will never do....
tip: when a poster has "Dynasty" at the end of their name then don't take them seriously.So are you implying that the Rockets are a dynasty???
Oh so you literally mean a guy who had been awarded the MVP trophy, rather than an all-star caliber big man who averaged 21 points and 11 rebounds, which you clearly forgot. I guess Hakeem knew as a rookie that Ralph was going to have health problems down the road so he couldn't lean on him, and it always preyed on Hakeem's confidence that Sampson wasn't an MVP.
Sampson and Robinson had the same number of 20/10 seasons after the arrival of their HOF teammate. I guess I shouldn't expect you to admit that you completely forgot about Sampson when you made that ignorant statement.
Except that David won 71 percent of the time.
that's right. they'll say things like hakeem was better because he won two and duncan only won four, and hakeem lost in the finals against a really old celtic team and hakeem only won one mvp and stuff.
spurs fans won't have a comeback for that.
Did not forget about Ralph Sampson. Ralph Sampson had a few very good seasons on the Rockets with Hakeem. Ralph Sampson also only had one year in the NBA under his belt when Hakeem joined the Rockets. Hardly the same thing as a 7-8 year veteran who had already won the league MVP and asserted himself as one of the best centers in the league in David Robinson when Duncan joined the Spurs. Mentoring doesn't happen when two players are 2-3 years apart in age and enter the NBA essentially at the same time. David Robinson mentored Duncan as well as allow him to play power forward and take pressure off of him defensively. Ralph Sampson did not provide the same thing to Hakeem as David Robinson did to Duncan. As I said earlier, had Kareem Abdul-Jabbar been on the Rockets at the time, that would be a similar situation. Ralph Sampson ... no.Oh so you literally mean a guy who had been awarded the MVP trophy, rather than an all-star caliber big man who averaged 21 points and 11 rebounds, which you clearly forgot. I guess Hakeem knew as a rookie that Ralph was going to have health problems down the road so he couldn't lean on him, and it always preyed on Hakeem's confidence that Sampson wasn't an MVP.
Sampson and Robinson had the same number of 20/10 seasons after the arrival of their HOF teammate. I guess I shouldn't expect you to admit that you completely forgot about Sampson when you made that ignorant statement.
But, then again you thought Ralph Sampson was in the Hall of Fame and was a former league MVP.
I would agree with that.
Both are incredible players, but Hakeem's quickness and coordination for a player of his size was simply freakish.
Duncan is so solid with his footwork and is able to get it done in big games.
It is a tossup in my mind, good company to be in.
Nice spin, but anyone who watched it saw Hakeem humiliate the Little Mermaid in that series.
Reality Bites.
If it helps you to think you are winning the discussion, then yes, that's what I thought.
What do you know about reality?Nice spin, but anyone who watched it saw Hakeem humiliate the Little Mermaid in that series.
Reality Bites.
If that's not what you thought, then it means your reading comprehension skills are in need of some serious polish.If it helps you to think you are winning the discussion, then yes, that's what I thought.
OK, since reality is what your after...allow me to serve you a doseNice spin, but anyone who watched it saw Hakeem humiliate the Little Mermaid in that series.
Reality Bites.
The Fakers will remain in the Western conference basement again this year. May as well put the "Home Sweet Home" sign out bro, your team is gonna be there a while
OK, since reality is what your after...allow me to serve you a dose
The Fakers will remain in the Western conference basement again this year. May as well put the "Home Sweet Home" sign out bro, your team is gonna be there a while
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