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It may be FIBA, but that is one uva stat line.
Sweet.
Not so sweet, but still an improvement from a couple of years back. Gotta keep working on those, buddy.
It may be FIBA, but that is one uva stat line.
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=mdFuyTvIRWU
quality isn't good and notice the missed FT :p
parker sux
i think you and every other Parker Nosers should remember this was THE FIRST Finals series he actually appeared from the three rings he has... have everyone forgotten hoe BADLY he was benched by Claxton on 2003 and his mid-level series against Detroit where manu had to handle the ball more than ever?
this series was great yes... but you should be a lil bit more careful...
In 2003 Parker was 21. You shouldn't be surprised he was not ready for the Finals. Given his age I think he had a very good playoff run.i think you and every other Parker Nosers should remember this was THE FIRST Finals series he actually appeared from the three rings he has... have everyone forgotten hoe BADLY he was benched by Claxton on 2003 and his mid-level series against Detroit where manu had to handle the ball more than ever?
this series was great yes... but you should be a lil bit more careful...
In 2005 defenses focused on stopping Parker because his lack of a jumpshot maked him the weak link.
He worked hard on his weakness and finally had a great final.
He is now 25 and is ready to enter his prime.
I don't know what more you could have expect from him.
Thanks for all your comments guys!! and girls!!!
One more thing!! Do not under-estimate the FIBA. Do I have to remember some of you that the World champion is from Europe (the 2 finalists)..And most of these players are playing Fiba rules all the year!!
Anyway, do not make me wrong.. NBA still the best for me!!
Just not under-estimate it!!
I dropped Tony off my fantasy team last year cause he couldn't hit the 3-ball. What did I replace him with? Gasp..and I hate to admit this...Jason Terry.
he needs to save some of those for a real game
dude he was the finals mvp after the first three gamesi think you and every other Parker Nosers should remember this was THE FIRST Finals series he actually appeared from the three rings he has... have everyone forgotten hoe BADLY he was benched by Claxton on 2003 and his mid-level series against Detroit where manu had to handle the ball more than ever?
this series was great yes... but you should be a lil bit more careful...
kidd was saying he was not that good at that age
dude was getting a big head
speedy has done nothing since or ever will
speedy and tp should never be brought up in the same sentence
he can not change the fact he is from francei think you and every other Parker Nosers should remember this was THE FIRST Finals series he actually appeared from the three rings he has... have everyone forgotten hoe BADLY he was benched by Claxton on 2003 and his mid-level series against Detroit where manu had to handle the ball more than ever?
this series was great yes... but you should be a lil bit more careful...
That's the major difference with french NT's TP and Spurs TP. He's tempting a lot more spectacular and athletic plays with teamates.
That's because there are very athletic and high-flying players around him.
Ok, it's preparation games and he wants to please the crowd but still, you really can see the difference (even if he's missing a few of them cos he's not used to it). When given the opportunity he can also play that way.
The half-court alley-hoop for Boris with the reverse dunk was sick !
Its going to be great to see that 3 ball shaking things up.
What? You have a vid link for that?
I'm officialy the invisible poster
i used your link steph dont cry. it look like the pass was from halfcourtish. not bad tony. good to see that he has came so far and keeps growing
No . But why would they have changed his shot and gave him the red light on threes if he had been making them? Because he wasn't. Because he lost his confidence. Why can't you draw i guess you'd say "preclusions" from my conclusions?
His shooting form was terrible, but if it goes in, it goes in. He had lost his confidence in his shot, especially after the 04' semis.It wasn't a question of confidence, more a question of shooting mechanics. Tony technically wasn't greenlighted to take those threes in the Finals, but he had the confidence to step up and make them anyways.
Get this: TP shot 40% from downtown in the 04 playoffs (17-43). With his ty shot selection and ty shooting form, thats a damn good percentage don't you think. The problem was, people began to realize he didn't have confidence in his jumpshot. When someone is daring you to shoot, its definitely playing on whether you are confident or not in your shot.
In summary, you are wrong, I am right.
nope TP has always said that Chip was working first on the mechanics and secondly on the confidence : change the positions of the hands on the ball, learn a new gesture, and being able to reproduce it every time he wants as a robot. This way even after a miss, he can shoot again without thinking about the miss.
About the 3's, Chip's work is 3 years process :
1st y/ learn new gesture and practice FT
2nd y/ mid-range jumper
3rd y/ 3's
In his first seasons in NBA TP was allowed to take as many 3's as he wanted, but since Chip came in town (and because many players could hit those better than him) Pop asked him to stop and gave him a single 3 pts shoot per game until chip says he's ready to take more.
But fact is TP's jumper was so good in the finals that pop allowed him more
http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/quotes_070612.html
Q. You're not known as a three-point shooter, but you hit some clutch ones and you hit a big one tonight. Can you talk about that?
TONY PARKER: I always try to squeeze one or two (smiling). Coach Pop doesn't like me to shoot threes. But he told me next year I can go back and shoot threes like my first three years, so I decided to start a little bit in the playoffs (laughter). I know he was screaming when I took it. It's one of those kind of shots, like, "Nooooo," but it was all right.
Last edited by Freeze; 08-22-2007 at 05:56 PM.
HOLY , im talking PRE-CHIP here. he shot from the outside because he was confident; he lost his confidence as defenders began to simply lay off him, pop brings in chip ...
do we understand?
Based on number of attempts Rick Barry is the greatest free throw shooter of all time. John Wooden also endorsed the style when his players couldn't hit 80% of their shots. Any NBA players who can't hit 80% should try it. Technically speaking the underhand tecnique is vastly superior to the overhand freethrow for anyone who can't hit. Ball rotates backwarda after it hits the rim. Arch is higher. Even if the ball isn't swiss it bounce back into the basket. Wilt tried it but couldn't master it. Free throw shooting is about touch not strength. Wilt stilled improved his numbers using it. For those of you under 40 you probably also believe LT is better the Jim Brown. Bonds is better than Mays. Iverson is better that West etc. Seeing these players in the flesh is essentially important to making decisions.
Sorry, I thought your link had to do with hitting threes.I'm officialy the invisible poster
Whoa, easy there, Seabiscuit.
Relax, we're not trying to shoot down your point. I'm just saying that it seems to be more a question of shooting mechanics that caused Tony's percentages to dip between 03-04 and 04-05 (Chip came in during the summer of 05).
Tony, pre-Chip, was always a bit of a streaky shooter. While he was on a hot streak during the 04 playoffs, it doesn't change the fact that he's an off-and-on kinda guy when it comes to that perimeter J.
During the 05 season and playoffs, his J really was mostly in the OFF position, but he still took a good number of them (if you'll look at his playoffs 3FGA stats, from his rookie season to the 05 playoffs, he pretty much averaged 2-2.5 3FGAs per game - that 04 playoffs strikes me a a bit of an anomaly, because he WAS on a hot streak then).
If a lack of confidence in his J, as you say, was the primary cause, I would surmise that an equivalent dip in the number of perimeter shots would naturally follow. It doesn't seem to be the case here. More of the law of averages just catching up to Tony after that 04 hot streak, I'd say.
Good way to start off an informative reply.
Not.
So, you're saying now it's "more of a question of shooting mechanics," thus implying he was also not confident, at least to some degree. Hmm, changing your story around?Relax, we're not trying to shoot down your point. I'm just saying that it seems to be more a question of shooting mechanics that caused Tony's percentages to dip between 03-04 and 04-05 (Chip came in during the summer of 05).
Why don't you stick to the same story, it'll make for a better argument.
OKAY, I think we all get the point here that he wasn't a great perimeter shooter. But the thing is, he WAS making them his first few years, and he WAS on a hot streak up to the Lakers series. WHAT HAPPENED? Did he get his talent stolen by the Monstars? Or are we to believe that by chance, he suddenly felt a sort of "weight of the world" type role, because teams were stopping him by just being lazy on d. He wasn't just all of a sudden red lighted; there was a reason they brought in Chip; etc etc. I dont see whats so hard to understand here: he lost his confidence in his shot, and they changed it mechanically so it was no doubt much more high percentage >>> regained confidence >>> Finals MVP.Tony, pre-Chip, was always a bit of a streaky shooter. While he was on a hot streak during the 04 playoffs, it doesn't change the fact that he's an off-and-on kinda guy when it comes to that perimeter J.
Indeed - the natural progression of a player who's lost his confidence and is trying to shoot himself back into a rhythm. Problem is, TP was never a great shooter to begin with, so it simply didn't work. Plus, there were times in '05 when his jumpshot would miraculously come back for a game or few, for example do you remember the last regular season matchup against Phoenix? Tim and Manu were both out, but Parker still kept it compe ive because he was knocking down midrange jumpers left and right.During the 05 season and playoffs, his J really was mostly in the OFF position, but he still took a good number of them (if you'll look at his playoffs 3FGA stats, from his rookie season to the 05 playoffs, he pretty much averaged 2-2.5 3FGAs per game - that 04 playoffs strikes me a a bit of an anomaly, because he WAS on a hot streak then).
The problem was not so much Tony as Pop. Pop didn't tell him to stop shooting those til '06 -- they were focusing on him rebuilding his jumpshot. Before then he was still letting them fly, trying to get himself into a rhythm, as I stated above. Problem? It never worked.If a lack of confidence in his J, as you say, was the primary cause, I would surmise that an equivalent dip in the number of perimeter shots would naturally follow. It doesn't seem to be the case here. More of the law of averages just catching up to Tony after that 04 hot streak, I'd say.
Fast forward to Chip, new Tony, problems solved.
You really are full of sunshine and rainbows today, aren't you? Chill.
(shrugs) I gave the exact same phrase "more a question of shooting mechanics" in my first reply, so I don't really see what you're getting at here.
When you first posted on this thread, the phrasing of your argument didn't include Chip in any way. My reply involving shooting mechanics (and Chip's subsequent changes to them) was based on that first reply.
You know, I could also say that you changed your story by adding the pre-Chip qualifier to your argument only after Freeze's and my reply, but that would just be quibbling.
Okay, let me clarify my argument (and just because I like debates):
What I'm getting at is that Tony's shot, because of his faulty mechanics, can lead him on some VERY hot and cold streaks, which can last for several games straight. Early in the 04-05 season (if I remember correctly), that was such the case, where his FG%s were REALLY down for the first two weeks of the season.
Call it an unsound argument, if you will, but I think his performance after games 1 & 2 of the Lakers series was mostly a bad cold streak.
The reason I brought up the FGA numbers is that part of my assertion is that his perimeter shot attempts have been relatively consistent, regardless of whether his shot is on or not. For me, that sounds like a player who, regardless of his stroke being on or not, feels he can make his outside shots. That doesn't sound like a confidence issue to me.
Yeah, I get your point here. It's cool.
My main issue here is that - shooting oneself back to rhythm is more the domain of players whose skillsets and roles revolve around outside shooting. That's never been Tony's role on this team, and he doesn't depend on his outside shooting as his main offensive weapon.
Going back to my main point above - the way I see it, he still takes those shots because he sees them as makeable, not because he feels he needs to get back into a shooting rhythm.
If it really was more of a confidence issue, I'd say he would have cut down on his outside shots even before he was redlighted by Pop. His ability to get past his man and into the paint is a more potent weapon than his jumpshot, and he himself knows it as well. I guess I don't see why he would need to keep shooting the J when he knows his game doesn't necessarily depend on it.
Hey, I got no problem with being proven wrong on this one if it really isn't the case. (shrugs) Just killing time until the season starts.
If his 3 point shot has become consistent, he deserves mad props - but quite a bit of that credit should go to Chip E as well
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